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Created by Plummet > 9 months ago, 6 Aug 2013
Plummet
4862 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:05PM
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hey mofo's

I'm about to build me a light wind board TT. I have a spare slab of bamboo 146x45 so that is going to determine my size.

Now my question is this. If you could have whatever you liked in a light wind board what would that be?

currently my thought is to have a very flat center section with slight rocker at the tips. no concave. stiffer in the center and abit more flexible at the tips.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:38PM
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yo plumms maybe rethink the rocker, the shinn w18 has heaps and its lightwind ability was superb, also a real flat board has to be ridden with a fair bit of back foot pressure in beach conditions, as itll bury the nose especially on the way out, i really liked the shinn speedball but if i could add anything itd be a bit more nose and tail length, think outside the box and let your imagination run havoc

radman4
678 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:49PM
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Depends if you want it for light wind surf or flat water,if mainly for light wind west coast surf then I'd go for a reasonable amount of rocker from tip to tip,it'll be way better for cranking over that west coast whitewater,was out on my big arcade today in 10-14 surf was about 1-1 1/2 m my board cranked through the surf,the extra rocker really helped in the lulls.

Olliefly
QLD, 63 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:50PM
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Make sure you don't do the the walk of shame plum balls ! How's things at Yorkeys?

Plummet
4862 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:51PM
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righto. fair play. abit more rocker......... I can manage that.

anybody have any rocker figures lurking in their heads?...............

Justhanging
WA, 64 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:54PM
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Eppo put me on to the Crazyfly cruiser pro 145x44 as a light wind board with the zephyr, dimensions are a good fit to what you have available to use.

radman4
678 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:02PM
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I'll measure up the arcade tomorrow and take a profile pic to give you an idea of my board.

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:10PM
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I'd try and build something like a north skimfish. I think your bamboo is too narrow though.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:40PM
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bennie said..

I'd try and build something like a north skimfish. I think your bamboo is too narrow though.


i was thinking a skim ish shape , opprox 40mm rocker agressive outline (for surf) with multi fin options, rounded tips with slightly offset foot positions( improved toeside riding),and carving

ste
WA, 524 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:44PM
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Hey cauncy,did you find the w18 went upwind ok?loving this board at the moment,real fun board,can't fault it at the moment,got real good light wind performance me think.
Back to topic!

eppo
WA, 9733 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:16PM
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The cruiser hasn't a great deal of rocker at all, not much comcave, but a fair bit of flex, kind off creates some rocker hey when riding it. Hope that makes sense. But I ride it in the waves all the time, spent a whole 9 days in Bali out back in the waves. Can load and boost on it to, but takes more than a normal TT being wide.

Really love that board hey.

Depends on what ya want it for really for its design brief.



Plummet
4862 posts
7 Aug 2013 2:48AM
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yeah I know I should go extra width but this board is a budget build. IE zero additional cost. I'm building it out of left overs. So the size is the size.
I thought about skim shape. But for starters i'll run a traditional rectangle shape and then reshape it to skim shape if I hate the ride.

This board will be used in 10-14 knots. Typically small swell and chop in those winds. But occasional head high +days. I have no flat water apart from in between the waves.

terminal
1421 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:12AM
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Do you want it to fit a role among your other boards?

Do you want it to be a 'guaranteed?' success or are you interested in trying something new?

Plummet
4862 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:56AM
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Terminal. My mind is open. Tell me idea and I might use it!
Ps I want it to work. But at the same time ill only loose labour time if its a flop....

eppo
WA, 9733 posts
7 Aug 2013 6:33AM
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Plummet said..

yeah I know I should go extra width but this board is a budget build. IE zero additional cost. I'm building it out of left overs. So the size is the size.
I thought about skim shape. But for starters i'll run a traditional rectangle shape and then reshape it to skim shape if I hate the ride.

This board will be used in 10-14 knots. Typically small swell and chop in those winds. But occasional head high +days. I have no flat water apart from in between the waves.






Cruiser is only 44 wide man. 45 is plenty. Good luck as you know I know sweet f all about board construction. Post a video review...he he he

terminal
1421 posts
7 Aug 2013 7:15AM
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Plummet said..

Terminal. My mind is open. Tell me idea and I might use it!
Ps I want it to work. But at the same time ill only loose labour time if its a flop....


The Tomo Vanguard shape is getting some good reports as a modern planing hull. He is holding a shape here which might have the possibility of working as a twintip if the ends were matched.

www.redbull.com/us-en/

I was thinking there might be a possibility of creating channels by splitting the board, but there is the difficulty of making it the right strength/stiffness afterward.

Plummet
4862 posts
7 Aug 2013 1:56PM
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Good idea terminal. I have looked at this board before. I wont use this design for the light wind beast. But my next mutant build will draw on some of these ideas.

pattiecannon
QLD, 593 posts
8 Aug 2013 5:09AM
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Hey plummet a lot of surf specific TT's have lots of concave and apparently perform "beyond" their dimensions. ie the mako and the speedball. (I will know more about the Speedball l8r this week ;) thanks nige
I reckon a fairly square outline will give you more area and would negate the need for a 3stage rocker. You can round it off at the tips or even pull a north "phantom" on it and shorten the toeside rail if you really want to put some carve back. Those boards were pretty fun for big TT's
I haven't made any TT's but I make surfboards and I know that if you use concave you can increase your edge rocker and the board will still be as fast as the same size flatter board with no concave. I actually think they may be faster (ie quicker to the plane) as the water has a channel to take where as with the flat surface they sometimes feel as though they are pushing water. Also the longer flatter edges of 3stage rocker are harder to anchor at the 14kt end. Some have even said the concaves make the SBs Hydrofoil but that's a bit far out for even me to accept. The concaves definitely paddle in to waves easier IMO. For what it's worth I hope this is of some value m8.

I thought with some ABS rail you could get a cm or 2 extra width and length?

Plummet
4862 posts
9 Aug 2013 12:48PM
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Cheers Cannon.

No abs rails for this whiteman. A) I don't have any rail material. B) I do not see the need for rails.

Plummet
4862 posts
11 Aug 2013 5:09AM
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This shape interests me.
www.undergroundkiteboards.com/product/shawty/

Means I could crank upwind on the way out and then on the way back in throw in a some toeside carves on the wave face with a little better wave performance.

Anyone ridden an asymmetric board like this before?

terminal
1421 posts
11 Aug 2013 5:16PM
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Plummet said..

This shape interests me.
www.undergroundkiteboards.com/product/shawty/

Means I could crank upwind on the way out and then on the way back in throw in a some toeside carves on the wave face with a little better wave performance.

Anyone ridden an asymmetric board like this before?


The Nobile XTR is asymmetric with a more rounded toeside edge and the footpads offset nearer the heelside. I think earlier ones maybe had a shorter toeside edge.
Sizes 143 by 48 or 140 by 46cm.

nobilekiteboarding.com/

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:09PM
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if your looking into this design check out the lightwave wing, lightwave dave makes some nice boards and thinks outside the square, hes got a few videos discribing his boards well worth a look

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
12 Aug 2013 6:07PM
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All the Flysurfer boards are asymmetrical, too.

I have 2 Flydoors and had a Flyradical3 L. My "new" Flydoor is the model with the center fin . . . upwind is easier than the 'door without, for sure. I have the XL in both 'doors and they DON'T have fins on the toeside. Heel-to-toe carves need attention to edging so you don't slide out . . . makes you a better rider :D

As said before, lightwind boards that have rocker, also seem to have a lot of camber. My 2014 Aboards Z-series is 140x42.5 and has a very good low end, and has more rocker - and camber - than the 'door or Flyradical (which also had good low-end).

Having had doors, I'd want to try something like Dimitri's Epic Oxygen - 137x46 or something . . .

Plummet
4862 posts
13 Aug 2013 5:37PM
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cheers bros. some food for thought. The slab bamboo is lurking on my bench waiting for the final inspiration to enter into my head. then the build will commence.

Coopslander
WA, 31 posts
18 Aug 2013 7:55PM
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Check the homemade board I cruise the flat water in the river in Perth on my Zypher 10kts and on my 11m I need 15kts. 148x45. 16mm rocker really flat does require a fair bit of back foot until you are planing fast just used an epoxy glass on the bottom fora bit extra strength



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