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Created by suface2air > 9 months ago, 8 Aug 2013
shane75
QLD, 209 posts
10 Aug 2013 9:40AM
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suface2air said...
[br]Yer Yer Here we go again I am a small package only 1/4 six pack 60kgs and wanting to know from people of same weight what do you use as a light wind . I thought of a 14meter . I am looking for as low as 8-12 kn range so a 3 strut light weight kite would be what iam after . So sick off sining an 11meter all the time in 11kn wanting some thing easer .
There is a plan behind my madness if I get a LW kite the wind will blow more than 12kns cause I got a LW kite . If it don't I will still be out there . A 17 meter zefer will not cut it for me as that will be to big .

All Jokes aside is there anything out there that suits as light people .


Hey, very little if any decent kites out there will even stay up in the air at 8-12 knots many a time I have seen 17's drop out of the sky around 10knots the only LEI kite I've heard of bragging about being able to pull 80kg rider on 8knots or even stay up in the air at 6knots is the new infinity V3 which I am in the process of getting my hands on very soon.
Otherwise the next best bet for super light wind would probably to try a foil kite like a flysurfer speed 4, they would come in your size for weight range.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
10 Aug 2013 7:56AM
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Epic do a lot of bragging for sure

dafish
NSW, 1654 posts
10 Aug 2013 10:16AM
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I can tell you that I have been getting out in the surf on my 17mt TRX in sub 10 knots. Not a whitecap in sight. 83 kilos, 5'8 surfboard. I have also been able to ride my Alaia in 6 to 8 knots and stay upwind. On a Sector I could easily take it lower than that, (but I don't own one and only get to borrow a friends from time to time). Do yourself a favor and at least try one before you commit to another kite. It might not be for you, but at least you will know for sure. Chris would send you a demo any time if you contact him. This is not bagging any other kite manufacture, all I am saying is try as many kites as you can and one will speak louder for you than the others. There are so many good kites out there, but you don't have to go very far to find the right one.

radman4
678 posts
10 Aug 2013 8:17AM
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To be honest I would doubt there would be a lei kite on the market that would be of any use in 6-8 knots unless you were mini me riding a SUP def not a kite that would be any use in the surf,this orig discussion was aimed at 8-12 knots basically that's a 10 knot average with a few 8-9 knot lulls and 11-12 knot puffs riding an average light wind TT ,there have been numerous claims over the last few years from diff companies stating things like ride in 6-8 knots while everyone else watches ,it's bull***t the only scenario that it will work in is in a river mouth with a strong outgoing tide of at least 4-5 knots.
Basically there are a lot of good big kites out there these days as it seems to have been more of a focus from kite manufacturers over the last few years and also a lot of very efficient smaller kites in the 13-15 m range that suit lighter riders better so go and demo as much as poss.

radman4
678 posts
10 Aug 2013 8:26AM
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eppo said..

Epic do a lot of bragging for sure


Yes they seem to state their kite is the lightest 17 available but I can't find a weight of the kite anywhere does anyone know.

dafish
NSW, 1654 posts
10 Aug 2013 11:04AM
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Hey Radman, do the mod then we will chat. I have been out riding waves without a whitecap in sight. 8 to 10 knots. Very tricky riding downwind on the waves, but no problem riding upwind. Not claiming this kite to be the be end all kite, just reporting my experience. At 6 to 8 I am just cruising, which is fine when I get home from work and want some chill time on the water. Smooth water kiting with no one around is a very nice experience for me. I just like being in the water....or I should say, on top...

radman4
678 posts
10 Aug 2013 9:22AM
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dafish said..

Hey Radman, do the mod then we will chat. I have been out riding waves without a whitecap in sight. 8 to 10 knots. Very tricky riding downwind on the waves, but no problem riding upwind. Not claiming this kite to be the be end all kite, just reporting my experience. At 6 to 8 I am just cruising, which is fine when I get home from work and want some chill time on the water. Smooth water kiting with no one around is a very nice experience for me. I just like being in the water....or I should say, on top...


Yep no worries when I wrote the above I wasn't aiming at anyone just my personal observations of light wind kiting over the last few years. I really like the TRX 17 it's more of a light wind play kite for me as I can go out and throw loops flips and boost ,while still making ground upwind and it feels like Im still riding a smaller kite.

dafish
NSW, 1654 posts
10 Aug 2013 12:56PM
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Agreed!

Slashrockson
NSW, 126 posts
10 Aug 2013 1:29PM
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Just watched 3 guys out in average 8.5kts measured on wind meter,in lake conditions.

10mt Dice on sb, sineing constantly and just holding ground. Occasionally having to restart to change directions.
15mt Dyno parked and very fast on TT. Changing directions no problems.
Older SS RPM or Rally looked around 15mt on sb going quite well holding ground, changing directions no problems.
All three looked between 65-80kg. Big kites looked like good fun.

They were having more fun than me !!!!

AUS116
QLD, 21 posts
11 Aug 2013 1:32AM
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Agree with radman regarding the LEI kites and light wind, seems there's a lot of guys quoting super-low wind speeds and great times on LEI's. Unfortunately as they are rigid and unable to flex and change shape to corresponding variations in angle of attack due light and variable wind conditions they tend to stall and fall out of the sky. Obviously if you are to keep them moving and under the influence of apparent wind then it's a different story, hence the guys on race boards with their forward speed managing to keep them flying. I currently weigh in at about 70kg and have no problem taking my 22.5m PeterLynn foil up to 18kts, anything from 15kts on though and I'll probably be on my 12m Catalyst. My PL charger will happily fly by itself in about 4kts, and once dived into the window will generate plenty of pull and apparent wind... It can relaunch from the water in about 6kts...

I've just uploaded a youtube vid of a recent session at Happy Valley in 6 to 12 kts, edited accordingly to remove the footage from in the channel so as to keep you guys from saying the tide was giving me an extra 5 kts of wind...

Anyways... here's the vid, watch it in HD as it's heaps better

pearl
NSW, 984 posts
11 Aug 2013 7:49AM
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I have a blade fat lady. I can easily ride in the range of wind you're talking about. 72kg surfboard. Actually prefer it when there are no whitecaps. I start getting uncomfortable unstrapped at 17kn, but with a twin tip or straps am sure you could take a few more knots easily. Wind direction needs to be right to ride the waves properly, otherwise your just cruising or doing single hits. I think at your weight you could get away with a smaller kite than 17m. I know if the fat lady came in a slightly less plump 14m; I would take that in preference. There are some strong outspoken advocates on all the forums. Don't buy on their advice alone. Back to back demo.... One of the mags recently tested light wind kites.....search online, check what local kiters are getting to work and pick the brain of your local shops. At your weight you have heaps of options.

radman4
678 posts
11 Aug 2013 6:00AM
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Nice video mate I know where your coming from as have been a Peter Lynn dealer for the last 10 years and have spent a lot of time flying the twin skins ,but you just blew me away with how quickly that 22.5m turns,i haven't flown one now for a few years they have come a long way,I got a new 13 2014 Fury a couple of weeks ago and was also floored by it as have had it out to test the low end in 9-12 and been able to rip offshore in the surf on it,my mate was blown away as he was riding the previous model fury 15 light and the new 13 was quicker on speed runs ,they have redesigned it for 2014 and it develops a heap of apparent wind,so have just ordered in a new 17 m fury light as the low end is supposed to be around 8 knots so will keep an open mind and give it a go.
The closest thing I've ridden to your kite over the years was a 21m Flysurfer and yes I was riding in 6-7 knots,it pulled like a Mack truck on steroids but was so slow to turn I had to use both hands on one side of the bar to loop it,it was an old model though I think a Titan ok for cruising but that's about it, you might of just sparked off a shift back to Twinskins

EastCC
QLD, 356 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:14AM
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radman4 said..

eppo said..

Epic do a lot of bragging for sure


Yes they seem to state their kite is the lightest 17 available but I can't find a weight of the kite anywhere does anyone know.



Radman4 - I'll weigh it this week for you

Eppo - happy to send one over...........

diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
11 Aug 2013 7:51AM
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A 13 m ozone edge will be a good light wind kite for you .goes up wind better that a zephyr.I weigh 83 pies and I need a 17m,but for you a 13 m would be perfect.Edges go up wind so well which is essential for light wind kiting.There are only few kites on the market that go up wind as good as and edge and there usually a copied design from the edge.

diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:07AM
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I love boosting huge and gliding on my 17 m edge and sector 52 in 14 knots of wind while everyone else is still mowing the lawns on there 14 m kites riding twin tips.I have launched my my edge in as low as 6 -7 knots and I have been kiting plenty of times and not seeing any white caps!
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diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:09AM
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radman4
678 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:10AM
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Yep two kites I would def add to your demo list would be a 13 Edge and a 13 Fury Freeride version (for 2014 they are making both the Fury Race and Fury Freeride in the 13m) .

diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
11 Aug 2013 8:25AM
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I have witness experienced race guys on edges in 6 knots on race boards having a ball and being powered.On my sector 52 and 17 m edge I am alive at 8 knots and mowing the lawn.At 10 knots I am cruising and can back roll,but 14 knots is the sweetspot .love the gliding and hangtime of the big kites

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
13 Aug 2013 2:55PM
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Ok got some testing , Demoing to do so far got the ,Royal-xtera 15m on its way , looking for a demo on a fat lady , hooking up with fone (I think there the dealers )to demo TRX 14 and 17 . I would love to also put in there an ozone 13m edge and a fury freeride and a zephyr 17 meter . Woohoo this sound like a lot of fun . Who has the fat lady in sunshine coast area and who has ozones .
Thanks everyone but hell you made it hard on making a decision on what to test . A big review coming up watch this space I hope there is enough meger bites on seabreeze so it can handel it . Sure it can I have seen some great reviews with eppo and crew so my little review will fit in here somewhere .

snowsurfmatt
NSW, 96 posts
13 Aug 2013 3:04PM
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Theres some good reviews on the real hatteres website, of 15m and 17m best ts lightwind kites and the slingshot turbine 17m . thought i'd add that as no one mentioned these bad boys

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
13 Aug 2013 1:19PM
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mmmm bourke street . Love that spot

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
28 Aug 2013 6:50PM
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Ok Thanks to "in the loop " I got the royal xtera 15 meter for a demo . What can I say wooohooo got out on it yesterday . But for a 15 meter it trucks along and steering is as quick as my 11 meter . The wind was 9 kn gust 10-11 but it averaged 9 and hung there for about an hour( no cheeting eppo) . It did pick up later in the run to 11 so I gave my mate a go on my board 138x40 and he weighs in at 95 kegs he said I don't think I will get up even , i need at least 13 kns to kite . I said give it a go you will be surprised . He got up and that was the last I seen of him for an hour . When he came back he said that he could not of been told but it was prof that it did have the grunt a full review on the review section coming . It also is very nice float , its is not an edge but I got up not really that high but the time off the water was sweet it floated and floated I actually had to rethink the next jumps so I had room down wind of me . Check out my review and get this kite and test for yourself . Now to the next demos bring it on . I cant get a hold of griffen kites dose any one know who is the east coast dealer is .

28 Aug 2013 8:10PM
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Ok Thanks to "in the loop " I got the royal xtera 15 meter for a demo . What can I say wooohooo got out on it yesterday . But for a 15 meter it trucks along and steering is as quick as my 11 meter . The wind was 9 kn gust 10-11 but it averaged 9 and hung there for about an hour( no cheeting eppo) . It did pick up later in the run to 11 so I gave my mate a go on my board 138x40 and he weighs in at 95 kegs he said I don't think I will get up even , i need at least 13 kns to kite . I said give it a go you will be surprised . He got up and that was the last I seen of him for an hour . When he came back he said that he could not of been told but it was prof that it did have the grunt a full review on the review section coming . It also is very nice float , its is not an edge but I got up not really that high but the time off the water was sweet it floated and floated I actually had to rethink the next jumps so I had room down wind of me . Check out my review and get this kite and test for yourself . Now to the next demos bring it on . I cant get a hold of griffen kites dose any one know who is the east coast dealer is .


Kitethrills is at Caloundra they they sell Ozone and have Cats and Zephyrs, and at Noosa try Adventure Sports (they have a demo Zephyr for sure)

digitalkiwi
VIC, 40 posts
30 Aug 2013 11:52AM
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I picked up the Naish Fly for some use in FNQ in the light wind, it is true this kite flies in next to nothing - it's super light and the canopy catches a lot of wind, it actually looks bigger than 15m sitting on the beach. I was definitely the first one riding.

I was in the same boat as you, I'm 67kg so I didn't want to go for a kite that was built for larger riders -ie 14m etc - you have all that extra weight in the air, I figured I needed a light kite and a big board. This is the ultimate combo.

IMO Don't be tempted to go for a 17m etc, if you put that sucker in the water you'll never get it back in the air once wet, in 8kn good luck.

As someone mentioned earlier the race kites really need apparent wind to get going, not ideal for doing much else than riding round a course.

The only downside with the Naish fly is it pulls like a truck, I've found it a little tricky to ride upwind with it, although I think that is due to my board/boots set up and not my light wind board I had at the time. I think once I match those together I'm going to be smiling all the way.

So my key points:
Get a light wind kite, not necessarily a bigger kite as a bigger kite will have the weight to contend with.
The board setup make's a huge difference, sounds like you have that sorted.
Technique - I'm still coming to grips with light wind riding after riding powered for many years, it takes a little adjusting.

I was flying a 12m switchblade and it's amazing how I'd be the first one out on that as soon at it hit 12kn, things get tricky as soon as you want to fly under 12kn IMO.

I now have North Vegas's and I needed to fill the 10-14kn gap hence the fly.

Good luck and I'll see you out there.

kitesurfbali
WA, 531 posts
30 Aug 2013 1:06PM
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I have very big hope for the New Contra 15m..
There are many good big kites out there ( I have tried most of them!) BUT so far not even one perform as I want!
I need a big kite that is good for waves so that I can ride in 10-11 knots and still drift decently and not hidenburg..
Let's see mine is only 2 weeks away and will still have plenty of light wind to test it..
Bye Jankie

Transition_Surf
SA, 286 posts
31 Aug 2013 9:02PM
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One word for you "CLOUD"!!

Boardriding Maui has a killer 13m that will blitz anything in 8 to 10 knots. Takes a bit of getting used to but WOW!!



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