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Created by KAOS69 > 9 months ago, 16 Nov 2016
KAOS69
WA, 1012 posts
16 Nov 2016 4:29PM
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anyone know of kite instructor courses happening in w.a ? this summer .

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
16 Nov 2016 4:38PM
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We are very Keen and in talks about getting something happening in Exmouth soon.. Register your interest with Kiteboarding Australia or us at Exmouth Surf Centre www.exmouthsurfcentre.com.au

KAOS69
WA, 1012 posts
16 Nov 2016 4:49PM
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are you the kite shop at the lighthouse park ? its along way from perth to do a course but if the price is right it maybe a worth while trip

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
16 Nov 2016 8:20PM
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Yes thats us probably best to register your interest directly with Kiteboarding Australia as they need minimum numbers to get the ball rolling.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
16 Nov 2016 8:42PM
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are you the kite shop at the lighthouse park ? its along way from perth to do a course but if the price is right it maybe a worth while trip

Ever heard the saying you get what you pay for?
But if you want to start on the correct path of quality instruction then you'd be well advised to be instructed by a good authorised school
Just adding travel to Exmouth would put it out of reach if you're putting cost ahead of good teaching, you've got to have a certain qualities imho to be a good teacher at any discipline never mind kiting, plus if you're a passionate rider do you want to be arsing around teaching?
Approx $2800 insurance costs to have your own school plus 3/5 kites plus boards plus helmets, plus impact vests etc etc
Enjoy being a kite school, none survive on a school only 1 on 1 basis you have to add other elements I'd say to make a crust
However you'll not go far wrong with toms model of instruction, you'll not find a negative on his set up

KAOS69
WA, 1012 posts
17 Nov 2016 7:56AM
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iam sure the that toms is a great school ,its not the cost involved but the time to exmouth and back aswell as the course time . i have been kitting for 17 years made custom kiteboards , windsurfers and longboards as well as being a windsurfing instructor for about the same time . i have kited every state in oz aswell as most of remote w.a but iam not sure if that would give me the certain qualities i would need to become a good instructor . i dont want to start a school az there is enough around already . i want to take people with disabilities for tandem rides but cant get insurance without qualifications . i am not into teaching for the money , just to share the enjoyment of kiting , i already have all the gear i need and a mate who wants to help as well . we will be taking these guys and girls for Free . so course closer to perth would be better .. but exmouth is not out of the question , these alot of great kitting between here and there

SugarQube
WA, 490 posts
17 Nov 2016 8:48AM
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iam sure the that toms is a great school ,its not the cost involved but the time to exmouth and back aswell as the course time . i have been kitting for 17 years made custom kiteboards , windsurfers and longboards as well as being a windsurfing instructor for about the same time . i have kited every state in oz aswell as most of remote w.a but iam not sure if that would give me the certain qualities i would need to become a good instructor . i dont want to start a school az there is enough around already . i want to take people with disabilities for tandem rides but cant get insurance without qualifications . i am not into teaching for the money , just to share the enjoyment of kiting , i already have all the gear i need and a mate who wants to help as well . we will be taking these guys and girls for Free . so course closer to perth would be better .. but exmouth is not out of the question , these alot of great kitting between here and there




Thats a realy cool idea, you should get in touch with some of the local shops with associated kite schools and see if they will help you out, unfortunatly im not in a position to contribute, but it would be some thing that would bring more than just a bit of good karma.

KiteBud
WA, 1598 posts
17 Nov 2016 9:19AM
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anyone know of kite instructor courses happening in w.a ? this summer .


It all comes down to numbers and having enough candidates willing to commit $1000 for a course at the same dates and the same location. Courses sometimes get cancelled because of too few candidates signing up.

Your best bet is to get in touch with Kiteboarding Australia and let them know you're interested

As for IKO courses it's been many years since they ran a course in WA. The pre-season IKO courses over East (September/October) usually get booked out.

Good luck

Christian

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
17 Nov 2016 10:17AM
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iam sure the that toms is a great school ,its not the cost involved but the time to exmouth and back aswell as the course time . i have been kitting for 17 years made custom kiteboards , windsurfers and longboards as well as being a windsurfing instructor for about the same time . i have kited every state in oz aswell as most of remote w.a but iam not sure if that would give me the certain qualities i would need to become a good instructor . i dont want to start a school az there is enough around already . i want to take people with disabilities for tandem rides but cant get insurance without qualifications . i am not into teaching for the money , just to share the enjoyment of kiting , i already have all the gear i need and a mate who wants to help as well . we will be taking these guys and girls for Free . so course closer to perth would be better .. but exmouth is not out of the question , these alot of great kitting between here and there


Good on you mate
I'm currently planning on doing a kids camp up here to keep them on the right path and away from drugs
You should speak to mike walker at kite thrills
He's been doing something similar, with a girl with disabilities
I've been having a chat with laurie ( sb owner)
He as offered some help to assist in publicity by doing an article and a fundraiser, this may also help you
I've some spare harnesses that I can help you with if you need
I'm sure you'll bring some smiles to faces
I'm also keen to get something happening for our ex servicemen to help keep them focused
Plenty of them also suffer physical injuries (limb loss) , this is a future project I'd like to offer
Regards mick
To kick you off ill cover you getting to Exmouth if you book your course
Drop me a pm for details

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
17 Nov 2016 4:17PM
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Hi Karl,

We tried to get a KAL instructor course off the ground here in Perth about a month ago but couldn't get the numbers. The conversion course was almost full. I wouldn't recommend getting IKO qualification as all schools will in short time convert to KAL. KAL are approaching all relevant councils to implement the national kiteboarding standard.

If you go with IKO, which is a bit loose in terms of QC and ongoing checks etc, you will need to convert to KAL in due course which is just another cost you don't need to bear.

Problem we now have is that the season is now underway and most of the people involved in KAL and IKO are all running or working in schools and are tied up until things quieten down towards the end of the season. We would be happy to try running the course again in say March. As others have said, register your interest with KAL and this will help things progress faster.

KAL is based on IKO and BKSA standards but has checks and balances and some independent content specific to Australia as well. I like what you're doing with the cert.

DM

KAOS69
WA, 1012 posts
18 Nov 2016 7:31AM
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KAOS69 said...
iam sure the that toms is a great school ,its not the cost involved but the time to exmouth and back aswell as the course time . i have been kitting for 17 years made custom kiteboards , windsurfers and longboards as well as being a windsurfing instructor for about the same time . i have kited every state in oz aswell as most of remote w.a but iam not sure if that would give me the certain qualities i would need to become a good instructor . i dont want to start a school az there is enough around already . i want to take people with disabilities for tandem rides but cant get insurance without qualifications . i am not into teaching for the money , just to share the enjoyment of kiting , i already have all the gear i need and a mate who wants to help as well . we will be taking these guys and girls for Free . so course closer to perth would be better .. but exmouth is not out of the question , these alot of great kitting between here and there




Good on you mate
I'm currently planning on doing a kids camp up here to keep them on the right path and away from drugs
You should speak to mike walker at kite thrills
He's been doing something similar, with a girl with disabilities
I've been having a chat with laurie ( sb owner)
He as offered some help to assist in publicity by doing an article and a fundraiser, this may also help you
I've some spare harnesses that I can help you with if you need
I'm sure you'll bring some smiles to faces
I'm also keen to get something happening for our ex servicemen to help keep them focused
Plenty of them also suffer physical injuries (limb loss) , this is a future project I'd like to offer
Regards mick
To kick you off ill cover you getting to Exmouth if you book your course
Drop me a pm for details



that is so generous of you . i have got alot from what i think is the greatest spot in the world ,it has taken me to many great places and meet many awesome people . it is only in the past few months by chance i have meet a young man who has a severe disability . my mate ( his carer) has been flying very small kites with him as therapy and to see his face light up is priceless . what a cool thing to do if we can somehow work out how to take him and any of these friends for ride . theres alot of hoops to jump through before we are out there but you have to start somewhere . thanks again

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
22 Nov 2016 1:16PM
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Hey Peeps,

You asked for it, you got it. We have spoken to all the powers that be and have organized another Kitesurf Instructors Course here in Perth!

There will be another KAL Conversion course also available. These will likely be the last courses in Perth until the end of Summer.

KAL Instructor qualification conversion course 5th December

KAL Instructor Training Course 6th to 10th December inclusive.

Please share this info with friends and others who may be interested.

For more info kiteboardingaus.com.au/get-involved/become-a-kiteboarding-instructor/

To book and pay a deposit for this course, click here kiteboardingaus.com.au/event/perth-instructor-course/

We hope to see you soon.

DM

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
4 Jan 2017 6:24AM
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Heads up for those that haven't already heard, we will be hosting an Instructor course up here in Exmouth at the end of March.

Again as always we need a minimum number of participants to make it happen, but so far the interest has been been positive.

To book yourself in you can get in touch with us at www.exmouthsurfcentre.com.au or book directly with KA kiteboardingaus.com.au/get-involved/become-a-kiteboarding-instructor/

If you want to fly in we have put together a very affordable transport and accomodation package for the course.

Let me know if you need anymore info.

Tom

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
4 Jan 2017 9:06PM
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Hi tgcp,

I wish you better luck than we had. Twice we were howled at to put a course on in Perth, yes, everyone wanted a course, there was so much interest, everyone had a mate who was desperate to get qualified until one became a course became available. Then? .... crickets. Then another course organized and again .... crickets.

Best of luck mate.

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
5 Jan 2017 8:37AM
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Hi tgcp,

I wish you better luck than we had. Twice we were howled at to put a course on in Perth, yes, everyone wanted a course, there was so much interest, everyone had a mate who was desperate to get qualified until one became a course became available. Then? .... crickets. Then another course organized and again .... crickets.

Best of luck mate.


Thanks Guys,

I hear your words, we have had heaps of interest but not many willing to commit... Now's the time if you are sitting on the fence, there always has to be a cut off point for these courses as without numbers we can't make the final arrangements, its getting close to that time

Tom


cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
5 Jan 2017 3:19PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Hi tgcp,

I wish you better luck than we had. Twice we were howled at to put a course on in Perth, yes, everyone wanted a course, there was so much interest, everyone had a mate who was desperate to get qualified until one became a course became available. Then? .... crickets. Then another course organized and again .... crickets.

Best of luck mate.


Thanks Guys,

I hear your words, we have had heaps of interest but not many willing to commit... Now's the time if you are sitting on the fence, there always has to be a cut off point for these courses as without numbers we can't make the final arrangements, its getting close to that time

Tom





Book me in Tom
And if any crew want to hop in with me I'll drive you up, we can do a little kite gig on the way up
No bully bull****ers need apply

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
5 Jan 2017 3:39PM
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Top stuff Mick, you'll need to make the booking with KA, just follow the link below...

kiteboardingaus.com.au/get-involved/become-a-kiteboarding-instructor/

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
5 Jan 2017 8:00PM
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C'mon you lot who were all gagging to do the course. Support this course, third times the charm. Book it now. Exy is the bees knees of locations.

Do it!

timmybuddhadude
WA, 862 posts
6 Jan 2017 11:05PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
C'mon you lot who were all gagging to do the course. Support this course, third times the charm. Book it now. Exy is the bees knees of locations.

Do it!




Maybe make it iko like melbourne and the normal world? It took alot of talk to get an understanding of this 'KA' and crossover thing...
None of this SSI PADI CMAS BSAC diving thing?and cmas padi etc crossovers required?
I've done all these shadowing hours but if it was iKO in WA would have done it two years ago For personal development..
Still hope though...

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
7 Jan 2017 9:35AM
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Hi Tim,

The problem with IKO is the lack of quality control. It has no checks and balances to keep the quality or standards high. IKO has always been about making money for IKO.

I taught more than 200 instructors in the years I was examiner for IKO, and despite my best efforts, the outcome of those courses was poor as once you had the ticket, which was pretty easy to get,as they had no way to ensure continued high performance, you could then simply throw out the learnings and go do whatever the hell you liked. If you couldn't get enough feedback forms then all you had to do was buy "top up" open book exams.

Of the 200 instructors I trained, I would employ no more than a dozen or so. Some even used my knowledge and experience to deconstruct the teaching system to maximize profits by shortcutting almost every important part of the course, producing sweat shop labour, cookie cutter instructor courses of the lowest quality and disillusioned poor instructors whom left the industry soon after. I left IKO years ago on principal because it was broken.

The KA system has been developed and structured by some of the most knowledgeable and experienced instructor/kiters in Australia, all of whom I have the utmost respect for. The system has checks and balances and a system of QC to ensure the safest practices remain in place. Albeit, this is still being implemented and will become stronger in due course.

When looking for instructors each year to work in our school, I disregard anyone who is Level 2 IKO as they have too many bad habits and don't want to relearn the basics. We look for Level 1's fresh out of a course and then retrain them from the beginnings in the right way. Of these, only half end up any good.

IKO is good in concept, but broken in delivery. A KA accreditation is worth a lot more, or you can join the minions of poorly accredited IKO instructors and work in crappy poor standards schools focused on coin and not quality.

Problem is, most people doing IKO courses are generally a bit loose and tend to want to travel and don't accept the job as a legitimate profession. The seriousness of what an instructor does is lost on most and therein lies the problem. It's all a bit of a laugh, just hopping around countries being able to buy enough beer for the next night of partying. This all sounds like fun until you have a student have a catastrophic accident due to your negligence and they may carry the injury for life effecting them and their family.

It's a serious job with serious responsibility and is worth doing a serious course with higher standards. But hey, jump on the IKO system and abuse it as many do.

Best of luck eh?

DM

timmybuddhadude
WA, 862 posts
7 Jan 2017 9:54AM
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Hi darren
Well I dont know I have been in aus six plus six years.nz a long time before that ..europe and dozens of countries..
I just found out I am going to columbia for a v important wedding next winter
So I thought with iko (ka?) I could 'volunteer' & experience a bit of south american kiting and get some cash along the way...as I may well do with padi/ssi
How does that work out with KA ?
I totallyhear and agree with what you are saying you are a pinnacle as is scott and jason of aus kiting
But......whats the situation then ??...

Happy new years

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
7 Jan 2017 12:33PM
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Hey Tim,

I have no idea of the situation in South America. My guess is that, like us, so long as you have an accreditation of a reputable branding, a school would consider you. As a school. to comply with our license conditions and insurance requirements, we have to employ persons with a quality accreditation.

It is generally not specified as to what accreditation we use. So if you are going to get an accreditation, does it not make good sense to get one of high quality?

Do some forward planning and ask the schools in the destination of your choice and see what their local requirements are.

Happy New Year

DM

kernal
WA, 541 posts
7 Jan 2017 4:42PM
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so darren you taught 200 IKO students at $850 a pop

$170,000. later you decide to chew them out.


iandvnt
QLD, 581 posts
7 Jan 2017 8:08PM
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IKO - as legit as Ali Express Cartier watches

mazdon
1198 posts
7 Jan 2017 7:19PM
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so darren you taught 200 IKO students at $850 a pop

$170,000. later you decide to chew them out.





Got no idea if $850 is right, but $170k over 15 years or so is chicken feed per year. Lumping it as a large amount seems a bit unfair?

But I'm not an industry person so what do I know...


kernal
WA, 541 posts
7 Jan 2017 9:17PM
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he got kicked out because he could not meet the demands of being an IKO examiner.

nuff said

ActionSportsWA
WA, 999 posts
8 Jan 2017 9:25PM
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Damn Miser, you got me all figured out. Exposed by someone with a whole two years of Seabreeze membership. Man, you sound smarter than me so you could probably take the job on. Within weeks you'll be rollin in a Beamer with cash and babes at every turn. It's lush, hop on the gravy train bro.

Yep, that IKO Examiner job is as lucrative as.
DM

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
20 Jan 2017 7:24AM
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Let's get this back on track boys and girls

If you are keen get in touch with myself or KA for more info...

flights ts from Perth to Exmouth are at their cheapest, we can take care of the accomodation and transport at a great price... Make it a holiday at the same time. Our team at Exmouth Surf Centre will make sure it's awesome

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
1 Feb 2017 9:04AM
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Final call to anyone who is interested.... Time for all those who have shown interest to get off the fence and sign up. If we haven't got the numbers required by the 8th of February we will can the course...

ExSurfCentre
WA, 497 posts
8 Feb 2017 8:00PM
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Unfortunately we had to make the call to cancel the course, apologies to anyone that paid a deposit but unfortunately we were nowhere near the number needed....



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