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finding a slow leak in the leading edge :-(

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Created by Lambie > 9 months ago, 21 Oct 2013
Lambie
QLD, 742 posts
21 Oct 2013 8:40PM
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Hi folks - I have a Bandit 4 kite that seems to have a slow leak in the leading edge - after about 1.5 hrs the leading edge appears to be softer and when I open the struts they have more pressure.

My questions are - how do I de-rig the front bladder cuz this model seems to have done away with small cable ties to hold the tubes on - its now a black plastic ring ?? can these be removed and then reused??

With the B4 - do I remove the bladder from the centre zip or from one wing tip?

Once removed - any tips on finding a tiny hole ???? submerge the bladder in water, soapy water ???

Thank in Advance!!!!

gokid
QLD, 491 posts
21 Oct 2013 9:47PM
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I would say that the leak is from the valve,check for small bubbles around the valves once you have submerged it in soapy water,or it could be the plug on the valve is old and worn,not sealing 100 per cent, just replace the valve with an airtime self adhisive valve or just reglue it

eddiemorgs
QLD, 391 posts
21 Oct 2013 9:54PM
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Before you take the bladder out use a squirt bottle with soapy water to isolate the leak. Pumping up bladder outside the kite is fraught with escalating the problem.

Just from experience.

ffifty5
VIC, 102 posts
21 Oct 2013 11:44PM
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Aaah Lambie, reckon I know what caused the leak, too much pressure on Sunday LOL

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
21 Oct 2013 11:47PM
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Don't forget to tie a piece of string to the opposite end that you pull out because you need to be able to pull it back through again.

prea
QLD, 184 posts
22 Oct 2013 10:21AM
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Pop a viraga in the bladder it with keep it hard for about 4 hours

Lambie
QLD, 742 posts
22 Oct 2013 3:38PM
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Thanks guys for the tips - yes I'll start with the valves etc and only pull the bladder out if I have to !
Im still not sure how the ring clips on the strut tubes work - and clues??

Puetz
NT, 2186 posts
22 Oct 2013 3:33PM
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... as Eddiemorgs says, for slow leaks, pump up the kite first and use spray bottle, firstly over valves, then the ends and finally over the whole leading edge if necessary. Reasoning is some leaks can only be seen (ie bubbles) when at full pressure which can only be done when 'in' the kite. If bladder is out, you can only get the bladder to 1/2 a psi or so without damaging the bladder and at 1/2 a psi might not show up.

cheers,

Robbie

RAL INN
SA, 2895 posts
23 Oct 2013 9:17AM
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If the ring things are removable then remove. if you want you can use Cable ties when doing the refit, just don't leave sharp ends.

Booga
NSW, 22 posts
26 Oct 2013 7:59PM
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We get micro leaks in our bladders (One of our crew found 30-40 one time and the kite still went soft after 2-3 hours) that cant be found with soap n water from reeds in our set up spot. So we get a bottle of puncture repair stuff from a bike shop. This is the only way we have found to fix them.

Robbo2099
WA, 751 posts
28 Oct 2013 4:00PM
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Another technique for finding a tiny hole (this will only work if you have access to a place were you can pump you kite up indoors and there is no significant ambient noise.)

Pump up the kite to the normal LE pressure and place it LE up. Start at one side and put your earl along the leading edge and move slowly from one side to the other. If you are in a quiet enough environment you will eventually hear a high-pitched hiss from the area where the leak is located. If you can borrow a stethoscope from a medical friend for a day, this will make it even easier. Use it instead of your ear. This will at least give you a good idea of where to start looking once you remove it from the kite.

Once you've got the bladder out pump it up again use the same technique again to hone in on the exact location where you need to perform the repair. Chances are it'll be a leaky valve but I've also seen random pinholes in the LE for no apparent reason.

Yes,the soapy water technique also works but it's messy.

eddiemorgs
QLD, 391 posts
28 Oct 2013 6:18PM
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I have had to resort to putting the kite in a pool when the soapy water didn't work . Found the hole though, straight away. Just need a mate with a pool

terminal
1421 posts
28 Oct 2013 7:49PM
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I had to find a very tiny pinhole in the LE.

Tried the underwater thing - no bubbles.
Tried the soapy water thing - no bubbles.
I had inflated the bladder to just enough to tighten the skin.
I then inflated it until it was about 1" bigger in diameter than the LE of the kite and washed off the dried soapy water - bubbles appeared.

It seems the slight stretching was enough to make the difference at that low pressure.



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