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Who has right of way?

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Created by laurie > 9 months ago, 15 May 2008
laurie
WA, 3858 posts
15 May 2008 6:14PM
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TheChad
QLD, 142 posts
15 May 2008 8:20PM
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The poley

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
15 May 2008 8:23PM
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I'll second that the poly's on starboard and there for has right away. Though it's both of their responsibility to avoid a collision.

TheChad
QLD, 142 posts
15 May 2008 8:27PM
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Also the poley is heading out, the kiter is riding a wave, therefore kiter should give way I think i read somewhere

lancekenny
SA, 402 posts
15 May 2008 8:09PM
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I kinda would have thought it was the kiter as he is riding or setting up for the wave - normally you would expect people heading out to either steer clear of the riding zone (waves) or be aware of where people are - look at the way the poleys do it at Margs - they have a great system in place...

Regardless both should have their eyes open and avoid such instances... looks nasty...

user
WA, 1140 posts
15 May 2008 6:44PM
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Probably the poly has right of way.

But before you grovel etc. just pop over to the windsurf Forum and read the insulting(to kitesurfers) comments !

You have to admit its cool how the kiter keeps planing after completely trashing the windsurfer !

felixk
QLD, 312 posts
15 May 2008 8:46PM
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Is it just me or did the poley get clothes lined by the lines as well? Cuz that would've destroyed his face

windpig
QLD, 113 posts
15 May 2008 9:00PM
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the kiter should have beared away downwind.Even if he could have sneaked upwind
of the poley his lines most probably would have taken out his mast(pole).
beware of kiters with helmets

cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
15 May 2008 7:06PM
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lancekenny said...

I kinda would have thought it was the kiter as he is riding or setting up for the wave - normally you would expect people heading out to either steer clear of the riding zone (waves) or be aware of where people are - look at the way the poleys do it at Margs - they have a great system in place...

Regardless both should have their eyes open and avoid such instances... looks nasty...


Looks to me like the poley had right of way, the kiter may have thought he had because he thought he was on a wave, well he doesn’t look to me to be riding a wave, not yet, also looking at his bar looks as if he had his kite low (that will please the wake crew) which meant the poley couldn’t sail downwind, least not in the video.


hindsight is lovely but they both should have been prepared to give ground, although the kiter more than the poley in my opinion should of been the one prepared to give way in this instance - a lot of windsurfers cant turn for ****, its more difficult to learn than kitesurfing, that’s what I always keep in mind when they are about.

Its also easy once you’re in the zone on a wave (Or trying to hit the breaking sections of a closed out onshore slop) to forget anyone else is out there, had a few near crashes myself with other kiters.

Cooky
WA, 148 posts
15 May 2008 7:28PM
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Both should've tried to give way, probably easier for the kiter given he could head downwind. That being said, poley should not have been tacking out into someone trying to ride a wave (however small and crap it was - albeit beginning to build).

The fact is poley's don't like kitesurfers and don't pay any respect to them (with regards to right of way) whether they're on waves or not. Sure windsurfing has been around longer, and sure it is harder to learn, but kitesurfers have as much right to the water as windsurfers.

When you are lining up a wave you are normally watching the wave and getting in best position to ride it. This often will lead you to not see every one heading out. Those heading out should always give way to those on waves.

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
15 May 2008 9:33PM
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Was there a wave???


nobody
NSW, 437 posts
15 May 2008 11:07PM
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user said...

Probably the poly has right of way.

But before you grovel etc. just pop over to the windsurf Forum and read the insulting(to kitesurfers) comments !

You have to admit its cool how the kiter keeps planing after completely trashing the windsurfer !


Despite your first post on the windsurfing forum (below) and some windsurfer's efforts to start the kite vs poley debate, I thought it has been fairly controlled so far. Maybe we're just getting used to your insults. FWIW I thought it was a reasonable post until the last few lines.

user said...

This right of way argument comes up constantly.

I think the general rule in the surf is to give way to those sailing out.

However,some say that rider on a wave has right of way.

The best thing is to not force what YOU believe to be the right of way, the other rider,windsurfer or kiter may have a different idea....or no idea !

The crash looks like a big misjudgement on both parts.

But seriously, the important thing is .......the windsurfer goes down in a screaming heap,while the kitesurfer comes out of that encounter still upright and planing !!!


user
WA, 1140 posts
15 May 2008 9:26PM
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Ah my son.

You need to learn to read between the lines !

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
15 May 2008 9:28PM
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used the poley as a kicker/ slider combo.. how it should be.

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
15 May 2008 10:01PM
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windpig said...

the kiter should have beared away downwind.Even if he could have sneaked upwind
of the poley his lines most probably would have taken out his mast(pole).
beware of kiters with helmets


I'm a poley myself, but what direction was the kiter heading in? It looks to me that he's pretty much heading dead downwind already. Is that right? I'm using the angle of the windsurfer to tell me where the wind is. I don't know enought about kiting to know where the kite should be and I'm stuffed if I can see it in the vid.

It looks like the windsurfer wouldn't have seen the kiter because of the angle they are coming together at, and I think in the end when he does see the kiter he can't really figure out what to do. If he heads downwind or upwind at the last second, there wouldn't have been much in it. If he bore away downwind then I still think they would have hit.

What options would the kiter have had?

BigFatMick
273 posts
15 May 2008 10:57PM
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having watched it a few times or more, and passing back and forth with the time-slider, it appears that the kiter has tried (all be it rather late) to alter course. However he has screwed the pooch and lost control of the board, the rail is clearly out of the water and he's in a tail-slide with no steering control whatsoever. BIFFO!
As he tries to turn the bar is pushed out, and then maybe even dropped, so at this point the kite would be doing its own thang. The lines may have hit the sail prior to the bar being pushed/dropped.

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
16 May 2008 9:19AM
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Bigwavedave said...

Was there a wave???


No there was no wave, bit of ocean swell maybe but no wave.

Didn't help the kiter was riding toe side at speed going down wind, he had no chance.

walshd
SA, 601 posts
16 May 2008 9:57AM
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Looks like the kiter was trying to go upwind and miss the Poley, but at the last second he realises he wont make it and makes a fast dash down wind....SMACK

All would have turned out fine if the kiter wasnt riding toeside and didnt have his kite down so low.

I think the Poley had right of way, but in saying that the poley should have tried to go downwind more to avoid the colision.
However the kiter had his kite too low so 2 strikes for the kiter.

-Giveway to people riding out from the shore as they dont have much room (you cant see the shore so this rule may not apply)
-The kiter upwind must have their kite high, and kiter downwind must have kite low.
-Giveway to people riding waves (there is a wave but not really)

Personally I reckon the kiter should have turned early, boosted or stopped for the stubborn Poley. Both people would be partly responcible.

sharkbait
VIC, 134 posts
16 May 2008 11:02AM
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who gives a f**! The pole dancer had it cuming. [}:)][}:)]

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
16 May 2008 2:41PM
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I would say the poley has right of way ( he is on starboard ). If the law treats both as sailing craft then the right of way laws apply " port gives way to starboard " regardless of who is on a wave or who is heading out or in.
However both "skippers" must at all times make every attempt to avoid a collision regardless of who may or may not have right of way.
THE LAW IS THE LAW

For my two cents worth , I think they are both morons and the whole thing could have been avoided.
It has happened because either :

a) someone is either to stubborn to give way ( most probably the poley although he did have his back towards the kiter )
b) someone is not paying attention to where they are going ( possibly the kiter as he only seems to notice the poley at the last minute ).

There are no "accidents" it has resulted because someone is at fault If i had to put money on it then it comes down to port and starboard and the kiter is at fault

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
16 May 2008 2:42PM
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stupid computer

BigFatMick
273 posts
16 May 2008 3:01PM
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I'm with Harry...

harry potter said...

stupid computer


... both of 'em.



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