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Which kite surfboards not to get?

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Created by richswing > 9 months ago, 9 Apr 2010
richswing
WA, 724 posts
9 Apr 2010 11:10PM
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Hey Guys,

I snapped my kite specific surfboard last weekend and hopefully if anything comes to plan I will be getting a replacement board.

Can anybody not recommend a board?

I looking for easy planning, 16 to 25knot Perth moosh wave riding board, don't care about straps but can handle ollies etc and light enough to do grabs (hopefully)

I am currently repairing a toughlite board at the moment but noticed it does not like sharp knocks, looks like 1 layer of glass of PVC foam so once the foam is crushed it looses all strength.

By the time the board is finished its going to weigh about 3kg, is that alot?

Any recommendations would be good.

Thanks
Rich

Rhys McClintock
NSW, 995 posts
10 Apr 2010 8:24AM
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Not any boards I wouldn't recommend from experience - But 2 options I would recommend...

The Underground surfboards are super strong - rather than being epoxy boards with the usual stringer down the middle - they've got a foam core with a full 1.2mm wood shell - This makes 'em super strong but light as well. The Pohutu 5'8 and 6'2 are amazing boards to kite & paddle with...

You should also look at getting a custom shaped - Most shapers are happy to sit down and nut out your perfect board - consider giving it a thin carbon shell, or patches over the deck, tail & rail area to give it strength... This'll work out about the same price as a kitesurfboard...

bjw
QLD, 3685 posts
10 Apr 2010 11:49AM
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The thing is all surfboards will damage easily. I dont think there is anything out there that will take a good bar hit and survive.

Most of the good board riders get boards made up by a good shaper and then get it glassed heavily. A good local shaper will be able to give you a design in my opinion which is more current and better for surfing the wave better than a big kiting brand that designed the board in a different country 1 year ago.

You also can then customize everything to exactly what you want including the graphics. It'll still work out cheaper and youll be support Aussie business'.

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
10 Apr 2010 11:54AM
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if you are in perth go and see colin earle in ossie park for a great custom board.

Brink7
NSW, 225 posts
10 Apr 2010 2:53PM
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richswing said...

Hey Guys,

Can anybody not recommend a board?

Thanks
Rich



Don't get a firewire!
They surf great, but plenty delaminate. Mine delaminated, then snapped later.

Regular polly boards work fine. I recon the surftechs hold up pretty good too.

Don't worry about the weight in your repairs - weight is not much of a problem when you have a kite in your hand. I think a little extra weight can even help you to survive the chatter when the surf gets bigger. (felt the weight of a tow-in board?)

allano
WA, 185 posts
10 Apr 2010 1:56PM
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Looked at plenty of brands, shapes and sizes.... geeeezz lots of options but going to put an order in for a Colin Earle fish 5'6'' will do a review asap

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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10 Apr 2010 2:08PM
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Hi Rich,

Don't discount a board shaped by Dave at Katana Surf. He's also in Ozzie Park. He's just finished a new surfboard for me 6'9". I hope to pick it up today

Dave is a legend in the game and does amazing work. I'm a big fan.

Cheers,

KH

max14
SA, 220 posts
10 Apr 2010 7:06PM
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I never would claim to know lots bout surfboards, but after speaking to a shaper I know only last week he recommended to me that I get a board made from extruded foam, a very strong but also very light still... The only downside that was mentioned was that it is a little more pricey... But hey if u want something that won't break or ding as easily...

Surfer62
1357 posts
10 Apr 2010 5:37PM
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Go the wainman boards.

Or I have a 5'9" North rocketfish for sale, buy it and i'll buy a wainman

chadster
QLD, 136 posts
11 Apr 2010 9:22AM
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Surfer62 said...

Go the wainman boards.

Or I have a 5'9" North rocketfish for sale, buy it and i'll buy a wainman


dude they should change the name of that board to the DOGfish or the SLUGfish
its a rufff,, woof

snorton
WA, 87 posts
11 Apr 2010 10:39AM
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Rich, what I do like is my Delta. Heavier than the epoxys but narrow so not bulky. I like the solid poly feel.

eneour
WA, 104 posts
11 Apr 2010 3:03PM
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Hi,
From my personal experience, I would avoid the Naish 2008 series, the "hull" was a way too soft compared to the "deck" and the surfboard was cracking on the edges because of compression...I didn't jump with it at all... Even Naish recognized the 2008 boards were bad, as I got a new 2010 Custom Global Serie 5'4" for replacement (so stoked!), thanks Naish! and this board really is a great toy, small but so lively!!!

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
11 Apr 2010 6:02PM
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One made by a kiteboarder.

richswing
WA, 724 posts
11 Apr 2010 9:41PM
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Hey Guys,

Thanks for the replies.

The majority of kite specific boards look a bit slim for a heavy weight but saying that my previous board going me going fairly earlier. The Wainmans do look good but most do.

The custom boards looks like the way to go. Is it worthwhile to use carbon composites around the feet areas.

Also would it be better to use multiple stringers to strengthen the board and also if positioned correctly could help with heal damage.

The only downside I see with normal surf shapers is that they may not know the dynamics of the sport like in regards to the toe in on fins etc, to much like a surfboard creates alot of drag.

I did a down winder on Saturday on my skimboard and Sh!t was I useless.

Cheers
Rich

kitethrills
QLD, 185 posts
12 Apr 2010 9:31AM
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Hey Rich,

youve got a challenge on your hands to get a sub3kg bord that is tough enough for your standards. light weight and strong tend not to go together.

In my experience through events and beach talk it seems teh slingshot and naish boards arent all that durable - Ive never had personal experience here though, just observing others misery.

Ive been riding a litewave quad fin which has been awesome for me, but it really shines in bigger waves and high speeds. not exactly perth conditions. Its not a bad board in small slop but it is too heavy (and strong) to really excell. The loose quad fin set up helps alot as does the extra width and rounded plan shape, but the weight is hard to overcome. maybe being heavier yourself though will balance this out some.

I wouldnt worry too much about the local surf shaper not knowing the intricacies of kiting. it more important to have complementary rail, rocker, plan, and volume features and the surf shapers are experts.

thats my experience but you'll probably get lots of good info by quizzing the shapers in your area. Marty at Delta is surely a wealth (like sultan of brunie) of knowledge nearby.

good luck - let us know what you find.

brady
TAS, 454 posts
12 Apr 2010 9:33AM
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No point reinforcing under feet with carbon.

Carbon has fantastic tensile strenght. But its impact resistance is TERRIBLE. it shatters/splinters very easily.

For best impact resistance kevlar is the go. The problem with kevlar is that it is a complete beeatchh to work with - and the best way to blunt a pair of scissors known to man. But a patch of kevlar under the glass would give good impact resistance.

Alternatively just extra layers of glass is fine too

roachy
NSW, 391 posts
12 Apr 2010 11:50PM
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Go the litewave, liquid force skate also good they make a 6'2.

au_rick
WA, 752 posts
13 Apr 2010 1:44PM
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I think anything that is made the same as a traditional surfboard is going to suffer from weakness if not heavily built.

Dunno what Cabrinha make their boards out of but the don't seem to be like any other boards I've seen.

Tough as nails, not ultra light tho !!

milko
NSW, 604 posts
13 Apr 2010 4:53PM
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eneour said...

Hi,
From my personal experience, I would avoid the Naish 2008 series, the "hull" was a way too soft compared to the "deck" and the surfboard was cracking on the edges because of compression...I didn't jump with it at all... Even Naish recognized the 2008 boards were bad, as I got a new 2010 Custom Global Serie 5'4" for replacement (so stoked!), thanks Naish! and this board really is a great toy, small but so lively!!!


This makes me sick with anger I broke my 2010 SS Ben Wilson pro just hitting a lip of a wave and SS refused warranty.. I have been telling myself not to go public on this matter but i continually see other brands of boards getting replaced after being snapped for no apparent reason.. I emailed SS with photos and a video of when the board creased and their reply was. Sorry we would love to do all warranty claims.. that would make our jobs much easier.. then they offered me a very small discount on a new board.. FFS the board i had was new and cost me over $1000.. Why do they even offer warranty on their boards if they refuse to honor it.. a friend of mine snapped his Cabrinha board and they replaced it.. I also know of a North wam replaced.. now a naish.. I spent $7000 with SS in 2010.. and now i am so furious i can not wait to get rid of the stuff.. GRRRRRR

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
13 Apr 2010 10:00PM
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chadster said...

Surfer62 said...

Go the wainman boards.

Or I have a 5'9" North rocketfish for sale, buy it and i'll buy a wainman


dude they should change the name of that board to the DOGfish or the SLUGfish
its a rufff,, woof


Crap-the 08' 5'9" is a GREAT board-they're John Amandson boards-the 09' is a dog.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
13 Apr 2010 10:02PM
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milko said...

eneour said...

Hi,
From my personal experience, I would avoid the Naish 2008 series, the "hull" was a way too soft compared to the "deck" and the surfboard was cracking on the edges because of compression...I didn't jump with it at all... Even Naish recognized the 2008 boards were bad, as I got a new 2010 Custom Global Serie 5'4" for replacement (so stoked!), thanks Naish! and this board really is a great toy, small but so lively!!!


This makes me sick with anger I broke my 2010 SS Ben Wilson pro just hitting a lip of a wave and SS refused warranty.. I have been telling myself not to go public on this matter but i continually see other brands of boards getting replaced after being snapped for no apparent reason.. I emailed SS with photos and a video of when the board creased and their reply was. Sorry we would love to do all warranty claims.. that would make our jobs much easier.. then they offered me a very small discount on a new board.. FFS the board i had was new and cost me over $1000.. Why do they even offer warranty on their boards if they refuse to honor it.. a friend of mine snapped his Cabrinha board and they replaced it.. I also know of a North wam replaced.. now a naish.. I spent $7000 with SS in 2010.. and now i am so furious i can not wait to get rid of the stuff.. GRRRRRR


I feel the same way about Naish after crap warranty service I had-the replacements are anecdotal and ad hoc.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
13 Apr 2010 10:03PM
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sir ROWDY said...

One made by a kiteboarder.


Better off with one by a kiteSURFER.



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