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Which helmet, PT or Protec?

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Created by Freddofrog > 9 months ago, 23 Aug 2010
Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
23 Aug 2010 11:46AM
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Any tried these PT "A-Alpha" helmets? www.pthelmets.com/products.asp?cat=14

I was going to get a Protec Ace Wake helmet but these PT ones are much more comfortable than the Protec's and miles ahead of a Gath which apparently aren't impact rated anyway???

They don't have official certification for water sports but they are military spec (useful if I ever decide to be a paratrooper) and they have a US Coast Guard version so I'm assuming they can't be half bad for water use. Main concerns are water drainage, any metal bits rusting and possibly no ear guards.

The side mounted night scope mount shown is optional but kinda cool looking

Opinions?



Cheers
ff

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Aug 2010 12:05PM
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I have the Protec Wake Ace (with ear gaurds) and it is Ace awright. Very happy with comfort, safety and longevity. Great with sunnies too.

The Gath (original) I had previously failed dismally in every one of those features.

Dunno bout the Alpha units but the Protec are used by Oz armed forces etc and are definately rated/made for salt water exposure. They are an absolute bargain for the quality I reckon (spesh next to the Gath rubbish).


EDIT: Sight scope on the PT could be modified for some water cameras by the look. Could be handy if you have a barrel style helmet cam etc.

spot1
WA, 1588 posts
23 Aug 2010 8:51PM
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what are you going to hit ????? water
i would not want to have a good rag dolling with that thing on my head

jarvo
NSW, 86 posts
23 Aug 2010 11:22PM
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getfunky said...

I have the Protec Wake Ace (with ear gaurds) and it is Ace awright. Very happy with comfort, safety and longevity. Great with sunnies too.

The Gath (original) I had previously failed dismally in every one of those features.

Dunno bout the Alpha units but the Protec are used by Oz armed forces etc and are definately rated/made for salt water exposure. They are an absolute bargain for the quality I reckon (spesh next to the Gath rubbish).


EDIT: Sight scope on the PT could be modified for some water cameras by the look. Could be handy if you have a barrel style helmet cam etc.

Do they go okay with gloves ?

spot1
WA, 1588 posts
23 Aug 2010 9:43PM
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pink ones to match

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Aug 2010 11:45PM
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Geez it a bit odd that you chaps remember my taste for kite fashion accessories. Are you 'interior designers' or sumpin?

I've been concussed waterskiing before, not something I wish to repat with a kite hanging off me.

I have squids and plan to be around for a bit

I don't under any circumstances want a burst eardrum or similar

and I like to go harder than my 39.8 yr skillz probably can justify



so I wear a helmet... etc.



Hope that's ok with the interior set?




Bah ha ha - just yesterdee I was lookin at my shiny new gloves (still in the packet) and laffing that I haven't even been out this winter. Despite my plans to get amongst it regularly and make up for trashing my knee last winter.. Ha ha ha, wish I'd got them on sale - in pink. That would have been soooo cool.

Taurus
VIC, 189 posts
24 Aug 2010 2:19AM
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spot1 has a point...what are you going to hit?

Only reason I can think of is for those still learning on the beach with solid objects around.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
24 Aug 2010 8:48AM
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Taurus said...

spot1 has a point...what are you going to hit?

Only reason I can think of is for those still learning on the beach with solid objects around.


As funky said, burst eardrum happens quite often and results in 6 weeks off the water.

Then there are hidden sandbanks, your own board (even without a leash), concussions hitting the water from kiteloops and land if you get hit by a squall. I've been on the water when we got hit by a squall, not pleasant, got lofted more than 5 meters before I even had time to pull my safety, girl with me wasn't so lucky, she was just landing her kite and spent a month in a coma with swelling on the brain and that was using a helmet. Unlucky timing for her going in to land her kite right as the squall hit.

It's great to see you guys are too cool for helmets, cudos to you and your massive gonads, but when someone else has a brain that is smart enough to actually want to protect itself, then it's probably worth shutting up if you have nothing to contribute.

eneour
WA, 104 posts
24 Aug 2010 8:46AM
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Hi there,
I have a protec helmet (see picture), and I really like it: good fit, super light, and nice "hat" shape = good for sun protection!
the ears protection are removable.
I really recommend it! I bought it overseas, so I do not know where to buy it here in OZ...
cheers,



Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
24 Aug 2010 9:58AM
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I've emailed the retailer on their thoughts (they sell both) but it seems communication is not their strong point. I may just err on the side of caution and go the Pro-tec, haven't read a bad thing about them yet.

Trant
NSW, 601 posts
24 Aug 2010 12:02PM
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spot1 said...

what are you going to hit ????? water
i would not want to have a good rag dolling with that thing on my head


Always good to have a helmet, even if you don't always wear it. It's all good if you never leave your local break and it's sandy with plenty of room downwind, but if you find yourself at a rocky launch with strong, gusty wind then you'll be wondering why you don't one lying around.

I hit a beach hut in the UK two years ago when I launched with a tangled bridle, I was f-ing lucky to escape with bruises and scrapes. (5mm wetsuit helped soften the blow!)

However, after cracking a rib in January, I'm wondering if a impact vest might be more useful than a helmet for general use. Or maybe I'm just an old fart.
(It'll also go well with my hat)

p.s. I have a Protec Ace Wake. I've had no problems with it.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
24 Aug 2010 12:27PM
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Freddofrog said...

I've emailed the retailer on their thoughts (they sell both) but it seems communication is not their strong point. I may just err on the side of caution and go the Pro-tec, haven't read a bad thing about them yet.


Protec have been used by wake riders for hitting sliders for years and they seem to be one of the more accepted brands to use.

I'd be a little weary of the ones with large peaks on them (Capix make one like that as well). I've hit the water head first wakeboarding with a Capix and had it push down and hit my nose and I've read about other guys who've had them actually break their nose. Its one of the main reasons most of the guys who have Capix wear them backwards now. The peak on the Protec one pictured above looks small so it shouldn't be an issue, but definitely avoid the larger peaks ones.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
24 Aug 2010 11:52AM
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Taurus said...

spot1 has a point...what are you going to hit?

Only reason I can think of is for those still learning on the beach with solid objects around.


Well that nice cushy soft water all around has left me with scars on my cheek, shins, back of both knees, a dodgy medial ligament, two dodgy fingers (don't tempt me to show you which ones ) etc etc. Yeh - what could possibly harm your melon...

My ears are my tools of trade so I wear one every time. I have kited without and it does feel good, but have been happy many, many times that I have been wearing one. I aslo don't stress about losing my glasses. Each to their own.



Wake Ace is a goody - so comfy.

http://www.aksonline.com.au/index.php/helmets-and-protective-gear/pro-tec-ace-wake-helmet/detailed-product-flyer.html





Gorgo
VIC, 5097 posts
24 Aug 2010 2:27PM
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I had the Ace Wake and sold it. I hated it.

I was learning kite loops at the time and after a couple of back roll kite loop slammings I got rid of the helmet.

In each crash the plastic adjuster band would come apart and the helmet would do the bucket of death thing and try to tear my head off.

Because the adjuster comes apart the helmet would push down on my face and drive my sunnies into my nose or forehead. The helmet is quite heavy so if you take a beating your head will rip around like a rag doll.

I used to use a Gath. In terms of comfort and usability it was good. The wind noise is pretty bad. It will be fine to prevent fin cuts and chops from the edge of your board. It has no real shock absorbing layer so it will be useless if you head butt something hard.

Helmets are a great idea in principle. I have tried several helmets and they are all crap. Mainly because they are all too heavy and catch too much water and wind noise. Even if they protect you from a life threatening impact, they make normal impacts from riding much more severe.

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
25 Aug 2010 11:11AM
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Although helmets may be safer in some extreme situation, such as kiting upwind of hard objects, kiting in squally on shore winds etc....
However, I see a few potential risks in wearing a helmet:
1. At a crash they increase the risk of a whiplash.
2. Because of their considerable weight they tend to move on the head.
3. They make it difficult to dive into a surf or shore break
4. They are bulky, so lines can hooked onto them in a messy wipe out (I would not go into details what happens then )

It is like with vests, they are personal preferences, they have some advantages and some risks. Applying common sense, and read (and respect) the conditions highly reduce the need for them.



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