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Video: Waiting for Torches WA 2011 Petter Svensson

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Created by petting > 9 months ago, 9 Jun 2011
petting
WA, 8 posts
9 Jun 2011 3:23AM
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My video fron the summer in WA 2011
Supported by Naish and fahlensurf.se

yeehaa
QLD, 123 posts
9 Jun 2011 8:13PM
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Hope I don't look like that when I ride
Sorry bro, it didn't rank

bobjaan
WA, 314 posts
13 Jun 2011 11:35AM
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Sponsored by Naish, but riding Slingshot kites!!!!

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
13 Jun 2011 1:16PM
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You should work on some tricks other than pull ups next trip.

Torch
WA, 521 posts
13 Jun 2011 11:04PM
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the reason I gave up kite boarding, I didn't have any basketball singlets

sci
WA, 762 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:50AM
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Hej Petter good to see your improvement over the summer. Also less Red Bull and screaming at yourself thanks.

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Like so many videos being uploaded to the internet there is just no narrative, story or personality. Nothing to attach to or care about just a vacant collection of badly scraped together frames.

My thought is that sponsors such as Naish want to see more than a collection of tricks at nice locations. To the untrained eye they probably look like the same heart attack over and over anyway.

Its time for a more thought out process that considers narrative and plot. Screwing a GoPro onto a GATH and boring the sense out of everyone is unacceptable.

I am really hanging out for a production with more than a trick list, frenetic editing and the purveyance of cool.

In fact instead of talking about it I will go and make my own.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
14 Jun 2011 1:50PM
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A truly terrible video, so I may struggle to be constructive in my comments.

I completely agree with Sci's critique, except it could have been harsher, and I'll add to spacemonkey's pull-up comments:

EVERY trick, you have your arms significantly bent at the elbows. This is a fundamental flaw in your technique and your riding will lack power and style until you can change this because your arms are angled across, rather than in line with the force from your kite to your centre of gravity. If you extend your arms more you can handle greater pull as you pop into the moves.

Changing it will involve more than extending your elbows though. The whole setup and sequence of how you load and pop and initiate rotations will have to change. Look at some videos of some good riders, and invariably when they are leaving the water their arms are straight, often to the extent of touching the sides of their heads. This requires good mobility of the sterno-clavicular joints too.

If you want Naish's support, have a look at some archival footage of Robby in action. He may not do the twirly-spaz stuff but what he does do, he does with fluid style and power. He also knows a lot about video composition.

Edit: I'm not claiming I can do any of the stuff in this vid; I can't. What I am claiming is that aesthetically and biomechanically (and yes, I'm professionally qualified to comment on this) I'd rather see a lot more style and would happily sacrifice a half or whole rotation to get it. This vid is presented as a "pro" or aspiring pro vid rather than a happy punter simply sharing the stoke via go pro. It should be critiqued as such.

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 9:18PM
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Boys and girls, are you kidding me??!
I could easily see this dude place top 5 in the Aussie nationals, if that means anything..

Regarding arms extended vs bent:
As Shannon Best once said, it's all about the bar in relation to the hips.
Effectively the arms have to work against the legs when you load and pop unhooked, which is one reason why I don't think it's a particularly "aesthetic" move from the start - compared to compound movements in many other sports.
So when you load up as hard as possible, the arms can't keep up and are gonna be fully extended before you pop - which is not ideal, because it brings you into a semi-poostance position. So most pros have the arms slightly bent when they leave the water, then fully extend when they are in the air, pull the bar back back to the body and pass the handle.
So maybe he could be a tad more aggressive and allow the arms to extend more, but is it a make or break? Don't think so..
E.g. look at Keahi, often praised for his style. He has the arms already extended as he rides in, which I don't think is a good technique whatsoever when maximum pop/aggression is the goal. But when you ride in with enough speed and power in the kite, you still can get decent pop, and combined with fast spinning perform nice tricks - what Keahi certainly does.

So overall it's not the best vid I have ever seen, but the dude would comfortable smoke 99% of the folks out there.

Arms bent vs extended: Look at this guy, not a kook I suppose
Edit: It only shows a railey, so I am not accountable for potential bandwidth waste..


Chris_M
2132 posts
14 Jun 2011 7:51PM
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WFT? Its a guy doing a railey over and over, looks like its from the early 90's or some **.

If the guy in the first vid did 50 raileys in a row would you think he is awesome???? To me it looked like he doesn't have much variation in his moves, I got pretty bored of it

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:07PM
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@Chris:
In case it wasn't obvious enough: This was purely an example of load and pop with bent arms, not more not less.
And to be honest I didn't even bother watching the whole video, because it already says railey in the title..
Props for sitting through it though!

Chris_M
2132 posts
14 Jun 2011 8:14PM
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Nah I was talking about the first guy

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:20PM
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Chris_M said...

WFT? Its a guy doing a railey over and over, looks like its from the early 90's or some **.
If the guy in the first vid did 50 raileys in a row would you think he is awesome????

Chris_M said...

Nah I was talking about the first guy

Dude you are confusing

Chris_M
2132 posts
14 Jun 2011 8:28PM
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To clarify: The first guy is about as boring and repetitive as your railey boyfriend. The end. Snore

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:21PM
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Forget about elbow position, how about not sending your kite back to the future with every trick for starters, the rest will follow.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
14 Jun 2011 9:01PM
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yeh not sure what pipe some of u clowns smoke but extending ur arms does not in any way add style or power.
loading and releasing with bent arms gives you significantly more control and if you do it right significantly more style too.

that video was pure ****, lunch time back to the future crap over and over.
so was that raley at cable, he doesnt even go big or cut hard...

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:04PM
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KnutH said...

Boys and girls, are you kidding me??!
I could easily see this dude place top 5 in the Aussie nationals, if that means anything..

Regarding arms extended vs bent:
As Shannon Best once said, it's all about the bar in relation to the hips.
Effectively the arms have to work against the legs when you load and pop unhooked, which is one reason why I don't think it's a particularly "aesthetic" move from the start - compared to compound movements in many other sports.
So when you load up as hard as possible, the arms can't keep up and are gonna be fully extended before you pop - which is not ideal, because it brings you into a semi-poostance position. So most pros have the arms slightly bent when they leave the water, then fully extend when they are in the air, pull the bar back back to the body and pass the handle.
So maybe he could be a tad more aggressive and allow the arms to extend more, but is it a make or break? Don't think so..
E.g. look at Keahi, often praised for his style. He has the arms already extended as he rides in, which I don't think is a good technique whatsoever when maximum pop/aggression is the goal. But when you ride in with enough speed and power in the kite, you still can get decent pop, and combined with fast spinning perform nice tricks - what Keahi certainly does.

So overall it's not the best vid I have ever seen, but the dude would comfortable smoke 99% of the folks out there.





Yo Knuth, where'd you get that shannon best quote from?

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:04PM
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@spacemoney:
Yep he does send it quite a bit (not in every trick though), but I have seen far worse examples of dangling.
If he was an Aussie, he would probably get props here..

@eeze:
Shannon said it in some video, don't ask me which one though..
If you wanna find out more you could register at the Best forum and ask Shannon there, he often answers questions.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:39PM
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KnutH said...

Yep he does send it quite a bit (not in every trick though), but I have seen far worse examples of dangling.
If he was an Aussie, he would probably get props here..


I haven't seen a bigger dangler since Garfield King.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:12PM
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perhaps a counter-example will illustrate my point.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:47PM
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He falls out the wrong way every time in "front mobes", only happens when your fishing for cloud trout. No more proof needed.

Also I know 5 guys better than him 7 years ago in Australia, let alone now.

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:23PM
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@Charl:
I'm not saying that was the best cable railey ever, but it shows that you can get some decent pop without sending a kite and the arms bent.
For railey fetishists, maybe this video is better..
In particular the one at 1:34:

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:42PM
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@djdojo:
It comes down to a trade-off I guess, as with many things
Arms extended allow to cut back more, but not more pop I reckon, because you can't keep the weight centred on/behind the board as much.
Some have the arms extended more, some less, truth is probably somewhere in the middle (and also may depend on the particular trick), but I don't think Petter has a fundamentally flawed technique.
Yeah he could keep the kite lower (spacemoneky), but it's not a big trick either to keep it low and merely do 1.5 spins..

To answer the Aaron Hadlow example, plenty of tricks with arms bent here - and maybe more exciting than the previous railey videos

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:16PM
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KnutH said...

@spacemoney:
Yep he does send it quite a bit (not in every trick though), but I have seen far worse examples of dangling.
If he was an Aussie, he would probably get props here..

@eeze:
Shannon said it in some video, don't ask me which one though..
If you wanna find out more you could register at the Best forum and ask Shannon there, he often answers questions.


notice how this vid was shot in WA.. in aus.. and no he got no props here.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
14 Jun 2011 10:23PM
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i do agree with u knuth about the bent arms thing, you can load and pop considerably better with bent arms as it puts you in a more advantageous position and moves your centre of pull to a better potion.

but still i wish i could have my bandwidth back after watching that video. (first one) cant believe so much of the precious pond water was used to make that

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
15 Jun 2011 12:34AM
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Charl, Petter Svensson sounds rather Skandinavian to me, and as far as I know Euros are not that popular at Safety Bay generally.. anyway, who cares.

Sorry about the precious pond water and the overall torture that I inflicted with the first railey video, I will consider that in the future!

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
15 Jun 2011 12:09AM
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my bad i just miss read what you said. but either way no i dont think he would, i still hate on aussies that ride like this as well

and pond water i was refering to the pond water old mate was using not the raley vid bud



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