FlySurfer team rider Sebastian Bubmann has achieved credible results in PKRA http://www.sebastianbubmann.com/results/
He will coming out to Australia this summer to show you that FlySurfer kites are not just for cruising 
One of the many advantages of these kites is that you don't outgrow them - the same kites Seb uses, I teach with.
User: I (and most other foil users) have no problem at all with the majority of people flying LEI - we may not agree with some opinions but we certainly don't bag LEI out - unlike many people who make adverse comments about foils, in many cases without even having flown one 
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Originally posted by tobes
Hahaha, the poor inflatable riders feel persecuted by the nasty foil kiters trying to ram their doona loving ways down their throats.
Better start paying attention then Spacey.
Sebastian Bubmann rides Flysurfer in the PKRA. German Freestyle Champion 2006. Junior Snowkite Champion 2004 and 2005.
My experience has been that not everyone is curious.
Some people seem afraid to try something different.
Some people seem stuck in a kind of Ford v Holden mentality.
Well how many results do you need?
Aaron Jarman - twice Oz surf champion. - Peter Lynn Kites
Sebastian Bubmann - 2006 German Champion - Flysurfer
I don't even ride them (often) anymore, I just want to point out that the argument that "if they are so good why don't they win any comps" is over. They win comps. Neither foil company has the money to sponsor a top level pro and send them to all events.
"Twinskin kites - why are there so few in the water"
Obviously its because of the "Auto Zenith"!
Must admit until now I have always flown LEI's but I am "doona curious"
SAMBO / If you are keen for a go on a Flysurfer and are in the Brisbane to Sunshine Coast area we can organise it . Barry / Crackers ( Peter Lyn )and I have sailed foils on the sunshine coast for a while and I would be keen to show you the positive,s as pointed out by Ian Young on Flysurfer Kites .
www.flysurferkites.com.au / or jeffroberts@yourtelecom.net.au
Maybe doonas are more suited to wavekiting than freestyle.
The reason I say this is based on the different approaches of each kiting discipline.
From my experience, the wave-guys tend to kite for longer sessions at a time compared to freestylers.
Wavekiters might go out for 1-2hrs, get their quota of waves, and then call it quits.
The flatwater bandits seem to go out for shorter durations, nail a number of tricks,
and then come to shore to swap gear or socalize or whatever.
This goes on all afternoon and it looks like fun, but it's different to how wavekiters approach a session.
Now if you freestyled with a doona....and you were coming to shore a lot and downing your kite all the time....
Well, you can appreciate the problem, hey ?
The doonas would lose all the air in their air-sacks.
Bummer.
That's the main hassle I reckon.
common guys lets put this one to rest..............
there,s nothing better than a plastic shoping bag in 50knts.....
everyone knows that 
shheeeessss!!!
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Originally posted by waveslave
Maybe doonas are more suited to wavekiting than freestyle.
The reason I say this is based on the different approaches of each kiting discipline.
From my experience, the wave-guys tend to kite for longer sessions at a time compared to freestylers.
Wavekiters might go out for 1-2hrs, get their quota of waves, and then call it quits.
The flatwater bandits seem to go out for shorter durations, nail a number of tricks,
and then come to shore to swap gear or socalize or whatever.
This goes on all afternoon and it looks like fun, but it's different to how wavekiters approach a session.
Now if you freestyled with a doona....and you were coming to shore a lot and downing your kite all the time....
Well, you can appreciate the problem, hey ?
The doonas would lose all the air in their air-sacks.
Bummer.
That's the main hassle I reckon.
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Originally posted by Spacemonkey!quote:
Originally posted by waveslave
Maybe doonas are more suited to wavekiting than freestyle.
The reason I say this is based on the different approaches of each kiting discipline.
From my experience, the wave-guys tend to kite for longer sessions at a time compared to freestylers.
Wavekiters might go out for 1-2hrs, get their quota of waves, and then call it quits.
The flatwater bandits seem to go out for shorter durations, nail a number of tricks,
and then come to shore to swap gear or socalize or whatever.
This goes on all afternoon and it looks like fun, but it's different to how wavekiters approach a session.
Now if you freestyled with a doona....and you were coming to shore a lot and downing your kite all the time....
Well, you can appreciate the problem, hey ?
The doonas would lose all the air in their air-sacks.
Bummer.
That's the main hassle I reckon.
What ever slave! How long did you ride yesterday? I rode for 5 hours.
The only kite I saw out today in Perth boosting 4 sec jumps, staying upwind, catching the few small waves on offer away from the mega crowds, kite loop back loops, water relaunching, etc HAVING FUN was a FlySurfer @ Scarbs LOL. I just read Gruezi's post - didn't venture so far away as Woodies - glad at least a few of us got a kite in mate - sorry to here about your board - bastards!
BTW what's wrong with cruising? I reckon that's what more than 50% of kitesurfers are happy to do - has AKSA or WAKSA done a survey on that? Be interesting to find out.
Same as / Same as . Sailed the Sunshine coast today at Kawana and the only kites on the water was a P3/17 ( Mark Franklins ) and my Speed 2/15 .
We could see kites down the beach but they were not able to sail . Amazing how kite sailers down foils and yet we are the only fellows with a kite ( Flysurfers ) that has the ability to sail in light winds and a metre surf . I know where I would rather be and it isn't sitting on the beach watching others sail .
Flysurfer Kites lead the way again !!
Apart from the foil / LEI debate, does anyone else value the ability to get back to the point where you took off from? I.e. go upwind.
See, Jeff and I managed to take off in a straight onshore breeze, and while it was tricky to get on the board in the first place, you really had no option other than get upwind as quickly as you could. And so we did.
What was interesting was that a few k's down the beach there were about six more kites in the air, and only one of them appeared to have made it out through the break. I suspect that these are the same folks who I see do downwinders all the time. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with downwinders. Nothing wrong with a donut either, as long as it's not your staple food. And I suspect that these guys have become so used to going downwind they either never learned to make ground or they forgot.
I'm probably old school. After all, you can go snowboarding all day and not walk vertically one step. I just feel that windsports are different.
Does anyone else think having the ability to go upwind is important?
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Originally posted by MarkFranklin99
Apart from the foil / LEI debate, does anyone else value the ability to get back to the point where you took off from? I.e. go upwind.
Does anyone else think having the ability to go upwind is important?
Yes, I am always striving to go up wind as much as possible, in fact I prefer to do upwinders however this is off the topic of why not more twin skins on the water. If Flysurfers came down in price....
I did this--I did that.
I went upwind.I went out in really light wind.
Get outa here!
You foil users have such a problem with what you are flying !
Always trying to justify it !
It just isn't cool to fly a baggy doona,and you know it !
But,if that is your preference,its OK with me !You don't need to prove anything.
User,
why is it so important for you to look COOL??????????
Is this the reason you kite????
Are you one of these wirdo metrosexuals that only will wear the "cool" brand name cloths,and sips coffee at the trendiest corner cafe just to be seen and apparently look cool?
I think the majority of us that kite do so because of the buzz we get from it,not to fit some cool image that you started to kite for.Ride what makes you happy,not what makes you think other people will think you look cool rideing
Dude,its not cool to think you are cool lol
I dont give a rats arse what people ride,if their hooting and haven a blast it gets me pumped to get out there and enjoy it with them.
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Originally posted by user
I did this--I did that.
I went upwind.I went out in really light wind.
Get outa here!
You foil users have such a problem with what you are flying !
Always trying to justify it !
It just isn't cool to fly a baggy doona,and you know it !
But,if that is your preference,its OK with me !You don't need to prove anything.
It's ALL about looking cool !!!
You gotta have style,attitude and look cool !!
Don't know where the rant about coffee shops bla bla bla came from.
Its funny,but there are a lot of people that diss you wanting to look cool while you are kiting,but then they get into their lowered,tricked out ute,with the shiny mag wheels (that cost as much as a cool new kite ! )
WTF !???
It's about priorities
Like I said,I don't give a sh1t what kite you use.Why are you so concerned with what I (we) use ?
I was just responding to your comment of if you fly a doona your not cool so after that comment asumed you where a fashion victom(wears boardies over wet suit,which can only be to hide small penis lol)
Sorry mate,not bagging you,hell i dont even know you,just hate when people do things to try and follow the sheep to be cool and worry too much what other people think instead of just enjoying what makes them happy
when you let go of the bar,kite automaticly flies to zenith(12 oclock)instead of crashing
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Originally posted by lotofwind
I was just responding to your comment of if you fly a doona your not cool so after that comment asumed you where a fashion victom(wears boardies over wet suit,which can only be to hide small penis lol)
Sorry mate,not bagging you,hell i dont even know you,just hate when people do things to try and follow the sheep to be cool and worry too much what other people think instead of just enjoying what makes them happy
I don't drive a hotted up ute!
I drive a Ferrari...am I compensating for something?
I love doonas ...and everything I do under them! which does include boarding sometimes....
Just joking 'round guys....trying to be funny.
PLEASE DON"T HATE MEEEEEEEEE!
Bite me!
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Originally posted by lotofwind
when you let go of the bar,kite automaticly flies to zenith(12 oclock)instead of crashing
Had a go on a PL 13 meter gorilla today, weird kite that’s for sure. Mate brought it down the beach for a play. Had some fun on the beach, no pull as you dive it half way across the wind window, then it starts to pull like a train and ya skid down the beach! fun stuff, slow as a snail to turn and was underpowered so only rode it for about a minute for a couple of very short tacks, recommend anyone to try them though just for the novelty. Not my type of kite although the gorilla is somewhat an old model of the PL kites. Would require a quantum leap in performance to get me to buy one.
They don’t water relaunch too well (if at all... 
).. No wonder auto zenith is so well spoken about by the users of these kites.
Think flysurfer kites have a bit more going for them to what I would want. (thinking of splashing out on a 15 meter speed)
Riding a Gorilla is like stepping back in time!!! Try riding a Venom II, that will give you a buzz. Watched Aaron Jarman in the waves the other day on his. Awesome to watch. It was like the kite wasn't even there.
One thing that was impressive was how you could walk/run/skip 
towards the kite and it would just float back with you with no pull of the kite, can see the positive in that for the pure wave riding feeling.
