Check out this pic - Felix Pivec in hawaii
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5205
i love the moment this pic captures-
it sums it all up in one go - kite going the other way already - set up for the 180 degree snap, shoulders and upper body set ready to rotate, unhooked for maximum body torque. Unuasully for felix he is even unstrapped in this shot
Just looking how he holds the bar shows what a master he is....totally relaxed and at ease with his craft, a genius at work.
no offence to felix he does rip but that is lame, wow one shot,
where is the rest of the sequence guys? lets see how well he did execute that snap
Personally I don't rate that shot Felix has got heaps better ones than that, your second shot is WAAAY better.
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5206
Nice subtle advert too...
this is how you do a top turn!
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5208
very nice...... an internet "how to" vid from felix would be cool to watch. then i might have some chance at one handed unhooked wave riding.
if only we could see his face in the second shot, pure joy looking down the line of that supurbe wave, or white knockle fear as he falls down the face.
now load up a hi rez pic so i can use it as my desktop image!!!
What is it with you and Felix Pivex Auswind???? Didnt you post this same style of post a little while ago.. .www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28495&SearchTerms=adam,koch
You want me to get you his phone number???
Nah they are all lame
Now this fella has the moves.
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Such stoil and finess - a master in action.
Can't wait till I am finished body dragging and am ripping in the knee-highs 
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Originally posted by gruezi
Just looking how he holds the bar shows what a master he is....totally relaxed and at ease with his craft, a genius at work.
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Originally posted by userquote:
Originally posted by gruezi
Just looking how he holds the bar shows what a master he is....totally relaxed and at ease with his craft, a genius at work.
What a load of condescending rubbish !
He looks totally unco !
Like he is not sure what to do next ! Hes not even riding the wave!
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Originally posted by Auswind
Check out this pic - Felix Pivec in hawaii
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5205
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Originally posted by Auswind
Check out this pic - Felix Pivec in hawaii
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5205
What i like about the shot is not so much the rider -(who is in a very neutral transition between bottom and top turn rail engagement)- its the fact that the rider is moving, relatively, in a 180 degree opposite direction to the kite - so often in a shot like this you see the kite hanging out the back of the wave- still facing out to sea - you just know th rider is gonna get dragged out the back of the wave - or at least have a kind of stiff top turn.
The fact is he is set up perfectly for the top turn snap
I like the potentiality of the upcoming 180 degree snap - not too difficult when its set up like this.
The post wasnt really so much about branding - but obviously its Airush product in there-and we are proud of its performance levels- more about wave kiting technique.
Regarding kites - obviously bow kites dont work so well (if at all) unhooked - but most hybrids (in Airush's case the DNA and the Flow) can be ridden unhooked with absolutley no worries.
However you can apply the kite flying technique and timing exhibited in this shot to any kite on the market.
Dont forget - the term bow only really applies to the flattest of flat kites - such as the Cab Crossbow, AR Halo , GK Sonic etc. These days it would seem the vast majority of kiters are on hybrids - as they offer MOST of the wind range of a bow with MOST of the pivotal turning and direct feel (no pulleys on the bar) of a good C kite design.
FWIW - Good to see good C kite designs - eg SS Fuel (just watch Ruben's act - amazing!) , AR Reactor/Generator (Felix , Tom Hebert) are being recognised for their relative strong points too.
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Originally posted by Auswind
What i like about the shot is not so much the rider -(who is in a very neutral transition between bottom and top turn rail engagement)- its the fact that the rider is moving, relatively, in a 180 degree opposite direction to the kite - so often in a shot like this you see the kite hanging out the back of the wave- still facing out to sea - you just know th rider is gonna get dragged out the back of the wave - or at least have a kind of stiff top turn.
The fact is he is set up perfectly for the top turn snap
I like the potentiality of the upcoming 180 degree snap - not too difficult when its set up like this.
The post wasnt really so much about branding - but obviously its Airush product in there-and we are proud of its performance levels- more about wave kiting technique.
Regarding kites - obviously bow kites dont work so well (if at all) unhooked - but most hybrids (in Airush's case the DNA and the Flow) can be ridden unhooked with absolutley no worries.
However you can apply the kite flying technique and timing exhibited in this shot to any kite on the market.
Dont forget - the term bow only really applies to the flattest of flat kites - such as the Cab Crossbow, AR Halo , GK Sonic etc. These days it would seem the vast majority of kiters are on hybrids - as they offer MOST of the wind range of a bow with MOST of the pivotal turning and direct feel (no pulleys on the bar) of a good C kite design.
FWIW - Good to see good C kite designs - eg SS Fuel (just watch Ruben's act - amazing!) , AR Reactor/Generator (Felix , Tom Hebert) are being recognised for their relative strong points too.
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Originally posted by Auswind
Check out this pic - Felix Pivec in hawaii
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5205
i love the moment this pic captures-
it sums it all up in one go - kite going the other way already - set up for the 180 degree snap, shoulders and upper body set ready to rotate, unhooked for maximum body torque. Unuasully for felix he is even unstrapped in this shot
True - you CAN unhook - but you have to be SUPER precise on the amt that you set the depower at when you choose to unhook - your relative wind range WHEN unhooked is about half for the same reasons that your wind range is doubled - reltaive to a c - when you are hooked in. No prob is steady condiitons - can be an issue when you are riding cross off joy conditions- which tends to be a little gustier. Can be done - you just have to work a little harder (or "head off to the races" earlier!)
Turning speed of dedicated bow kites, when unhooked, is another issue..
The pay off for these sacrifices is the windrange - which is really what dedicated bow designs - the ones that bruno legainoux is is paid royalties for-prioritise.
Was thinking of trying to insert some sort of quip about his boardshorts here but I just couldn't think of one dry enough. They might even be 'in', then I would look doubly stupid hey?
Nice boardshorts Felix.
I'm so tired of people dictating how others should go about their business.
felix might as well just go into tow in surfing as he's using a surfboard without straps, has a midget kite, no chicken loop and no leash.
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Originally posted by Auswind
Check out this pic - Felix Pivec in hawaii
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5205
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Originally posted by Auswind
so often in a shot like this you see the kite hanging out the back of the wave- still facing out to sea - you just know th rider is gonna get dragged out the back of the wave - or at least have a kind of stiff top turn.
Hmmm but you were implying it was pointless, you said they mostly don't work at all?
Maybe its because you have a lot riding on sales of C kites?
Most bows I've tried unhook fine. and for waves you need to choose a smaller one than would would choose for TT riding in flat water.
The ones I have tried (cabs, takoons, flow) turn fine unhooked, they just need to be a similar size to what Felix is using in the conditions that pic was taken.
Remember they are higher projected area kites but I reckon that slips your mind a bit cos of the C factorin your business and the over the top influence of riders like Felix.
Imax
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Originally posted by Auswind
True - you CAN unhook - but you have to be SUPER precise on the amt that you set the depower at when you choose to unhook - your relative wind range WHEN unhooked is about half for the same reasons that your wind range is doubled - reltaive to a c - when you are hooked in. No prob is steady condiitons - can be an issue when you are riding cross off joy conditions- which tends to be a little gustier. Can be done - you just have to work a little harder (or "head off to the races" earlier!)
Turning speed of dedicated bow kites, when unhooked, is another issue..
The pay off for these sacrifices is the windrange - which is really what dedicated bow designs - the ones that bruno legainoux is is paid royalties for-prioritise.
This is how you kite in the surf...
Go to the beach, fly your kite, strap on your board, and... wait for it.... enter the water.
Felix is a lucky fellow. He gets the resourses to travel to the best locations.
How cool would it be to kite in offshore winds like that??
The original post was not meant to dictate whether crew should ride C kites, Hyrids or Bows, strapped, unstrapped, hooked in, unhooked , Surfboards or TT - i have seen high levels of ripping on all of the above! It really was about the kite flying and timing in the shot. And the fact that its a pretty shot.
This reply almost warrants a topic of its own - but since it applies to this thread i'll post it here - sorry about the length of the post but its an important topic.
C kites vs Bows vs Hybrids
Regarding Cs vs Bows vs Hybrids -We actually have ALOT more demand for Hybrids than Cs -and we believe they are , statistically, usually the most functional option for most rider's styles. -although felix's influence has us measuring how much the swing may go back towards Cs again. Ruben Is also keeping the flag flying for C kite performance inspiration.
We are getting preorders on Generators and Converse Surfboards as a result of Felix's coverage, performance and style. Felix is, as far as i know, the first Kiter to be observed by the mainstream surf companies as a real gate opener for the paddle Surfer cross over - hence his Billabong sponsorship - he gets looked after by the same team that Look after Joel Parkinson. Its Interesting that he has caught their eye.. The whole surf / kitesurf cross over pros and cons topic could rage for months - but thats another thread..
Styles and demand in the Kitesurfing industry moves quickly - you have to be fast on your feet to match demand. There is certainly no intention to dictate what people should ride -although there are some pretty clear trends:
for learner / intermediates - safety and functionality will be an overriding concern and have a huge influence on reccomendations. As well as our own experience we take alot of cues from Darren marshall and his highly regarded school here in WA.They get through alot of students and customer feedback is nothing short of outstanding . Schools really do reveal what is right for beginners and what makes life harder and what is patently dangerous.
This is where our particular Hybrid SLE designs like DNA and Flow come up trumps. Riders are getting up to intermediate standard in about half the time as they were on C kite designs! Once intermediate levels are reached riders can usually make informed decisions for themselves.
What is a bow and what isnt ?
I've posted this MANY times before -There is ALOT of confusion in the market over what is a bow and what isnt - with many crew classing anything that isnt a C kite as a bow. Not their fault - the industry has done a terrible job of informing the consumer. We get lots of beginners being told that a BOW design is what they should get -usually as a result of their high depower being percieved as safer- we find that Hybrids - in our case the Flow and DNA s - are FAR more suitable (and you can unhook them relatively easily). You get MOST of the windrange of a bow with ALOT of the pivotal steering of a C design.
Maximum -you are absolutely correct when you say that the flow unhooks no problem. You implied the Airush Flow is a bow design - it isnt - its a SLE (supported leading edge) hybrid -hence its c like turning and easy unhookability . The Flow has massivefunctionality that beginners and Pro level riders can all enjoy.
To take other examples:- the SwitchBlade is a hybrid ,the CrossBow - the first bow design to the market , patented by Bruno Legainoux ,- is a bow - its important to make the distinction. North dont make a bow - they rely on supported leading edge from the 5th line - these kites arent designed to fly with only 4 lines as they rely on the 5th to support the leading edge - a hybrid SLE design. Naish's only bow last year was the Shockwave, Slingshot's Link is a hybrid - The T2 is a bow.
Many riders class all flat looking kites as bow designs - they arent - its only the super flat designs that qualify- like the Cross bow, GK Sonic, AR HAlo. You can USUALLY (not always though - some manufacturers release BOW designs without the 2:1 Bow bar required for full sheeting range- GK in the past for example ) pick it by the presence of pulleys on the bar with back lines , and the "extreme flatness" of the kite giving maximum 3d sheeting geometry.
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Originally posted by Auswind
The original post was not meant to dictate whether crew should ride C kites, Hyrids or Bows, strapped, unstrapped, hooked in, unhooked , Surfboards or TT - i have seen high levels of ripping on all of the above! It really was about the kite flying and timing in the shot. And the fact that its a pretty shot.
This reply almost warrants a topic of its own - but since it applies to this thread i'll post it here - sorry about the length of the post but its an important topic.
C kites vs Bows vs Hybrids
Regarding Cs vs Bows vs Hybrids -We actually have ALOT more demand for Hybrids than Cs -and we believe they are , statistically, usually the most functional option for most rider's styles. -although felix's influence has us measuring how much the swing may go back towards Cs again. Ruben Is also keeping the flag flying for C kite performance inspiration.
We are getting preorders on Generators and Converse Surfboards as a result of Felix's coverage, performance and style. Felix is, as far as i know, the first Kiter to be observed by the mainstream surf companies as a real gate opener for the paddle Surfer cross over - hence his Billabong sponsorship - he gets looked after by the same team that Look after Joel Parkinson. Its Interesting that he has caught their eye.. The whole surf / kitesurf cross over pros and cons topic could rage for months - but thats another thread..
Styles and demand in the Kitesurfing industry moves quickly - you have to be fast on your feet to match demand. There is certainly no intention to dictate what people should ride -although there are some pretty clear trends:
for learner / intermediates - safety and functionality will be an overriding concern and have a huge influence on reccomendations. As well as our own experience we take alot of cues from Darren marshall and his highly regarded school here in WA.They get through alot of students and customer feedback is nothing short of outstanding . Schools really do reveal what is right for beginners and what makes life harder and what is patently dangerous.
This is where our particular Hybrid SLE designs like DNA and Flow come up trumps. Riders are getting up to intermediate standard in about half the time as they were on C kite designs! Once intermediate levels are reached riders can usually make informed decisions for themselves.
What is a bow and what isnt ?
I've posted this MANY times before -There is ALOT of confusion in the market over what is a bow and what isnt - with many crew classing anything that isnt a C kite as a bow. Not their fault - the industry has done a terrible job of informing the consumer. We get lots of beginners being told that a BOW design is what they should get -usually as a result of their high depower being percieved as safer- we find that Hybrids - in our case the Flow and DNA s - are FAR more suitable (and you can unhook them relatively easily). You get MOST of the windrange of a bow with ALOT of the pivotal steering of a C design.
Maximum -you are absolutely correct when you say that the flow unhooks no problem. You implied the Airush Flow is a bow design - it isnt - its a SLE (supported leading edge) hybrid -hence its c like turning and easy unhookability . The Flow has massivefunctionality that beginners and Pro level riders can all enjoy.
To take other examples:- the SwitchBlade is a hybrid ,the CrossBow - the first bow design to the market , patented by Bruno Legainoux ,- is a bow - its important to make the distinction. North dont make a bow - they rely on supported leading edge from the 5th line - these kites arent designed to fly with only 4 lines as they rely on the 5th to support the leading edge - a hybrid SLE design. Naish's only bow last year was the Shockwave, Slingshot's Link is a hybrid - The T2 is a bow.
Many riders class all flat looking kites as bow designs - they arent - its only the super flat designs that qualify- like the Cross bow, GK Sonic, AR HAlo. You can USUALLY (not always though - some manufacturers release BOW designs without the 2:1 Bow bar required for full sheeting range- GK in the past for example ) pick it by the presence of pulleys on the bar with back lines , and the "extreme flatness" of the kite giving maximum 3d sheeting geometry.
