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Swimmer run over by surfboard kiter at Brighton

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Created by DaveSpruce > 9 months ago, 13 Jan 2009
DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
13 Jan 2009 10:43PM
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Just got off the phone with a mate and his close friend (who I also know) got taken to the hospital about a week ago after being run over by a kitesurfer on a surfboard. Fin totally thrashed his face and had to have several stitches to put it back together.

Anyone know anything about this? Who was the crack-head that couldn't keep some distance to swimmers and ran Andrew over?

graceful
WA, 773 posts
13 Jan 2009 10:44PM
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did the kiter even stop and check he was ok??

Bertie
NSW, 1351 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:00AM
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good bye kiting in WA.
It was nice knowing ya.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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13 Jan 2009 11:10PM
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Nah,

it's our right to ride any where we want. The swimmer was probably getting in the way of a sick cutback. Maybe we should blame it on some kook, that'll mae it all better.

It's nothing, seriously, we'll never get banned, I'll never let anyone tell me where and how I can and can't kite.

Gees, we don't need regulation, all tthis talk about bans and regulation is going to cause it to get shut down, just ride the way you want and STFU Kitehard. We can look after ourselves

Wont be long now .......


greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
14 Jan 2009 12:15AM
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suns cooked your brain darren.

drink lots of water!

Kalavas
WA, 146 posts
13 Jan 2009 11:16PM
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See this?

This is why we are ****ed.



I hope your mate is okay...

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:00AM
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sorry, i shouldn't post on west australian issues.

forgive me.

DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
14 Jan 2009 12:45AM
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I don't have all the details all I know is they were out swimming in the waves at Brighton. Most kiters were 100-200m away. They dove under a wave and when they came up they had a kiter only a few meters away. Tried to dive under it but the kiter ran straight over his face. Had 20 some stitches I think and looks like the elephant man...

Now he can't work for some time... messed up..

Strange we have not heard about this before..

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:48AM
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Not good to publicise these incidents. Kiters are not the only people who read these forums.

Provide them with ammo you do.

DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:09AM
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Yeah I'm sure the beach was empty so no one else would have seen this or heard of this before I posted here...

phrase
WA, 228 posts
14 Jan 2009 4:28AM
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I`m telling you, there are so many idiot kiters out there it is unreal. I was out fishing on sunday at my local spot where I also kite. So I know where the kiters like to do their thing and I kept well away from the "show off" area. STILL at least four kiters decided that just a few metres from me was the best place to switch direction or ride past. They only got the message when I cast towards them as they came close.(and a few evil stares were exchanged [}:)]) There was at least seven windsurfers out as well that day and not one of them even came anywhere near me. Why are so many kiters so arrogant that they think the water belongs to only them? I`m convinced that these toolheads think that people find it a privilege for a kiter to come close to them, even if it gets in the way of them ejoying their day. Like I said I kite there all the time so I know where the main kiter and windsurfer area is and I kept away from there. Why couldn`t they keep away from that few metre area I was occupying? I tell you why. For alot of these toolheads it is their first "watersport" hobby and they don`t realise that the beach gets used by a wide variety of people, most of wich have been going there long before them.

sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:19AM
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Bigwavedave said...

Not good to publicise these incidents. Kiters are not the only people who read these forums.

Provide them with ammo you do.


You're not serious?

Thanks for this info DS. Its very important we know about anything involving safety.

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:31AM
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poor guy. Ihope the guy who did it gets caught and formorly charged by police - reckless endangerment or something.

Ptussy
WA, 86 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:46AM
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I find it hard to believe that a kiter wouldn't notice hitting this poor guy.
Unfortunately, people occasionally make stupid decisions or fail to see or recognise dangers, and accidents happen. But very poor form if he/she didn't try to offer assistance (which admittedly might be difficult while attached to a kite in an area you shouldn't be in), or attempt to follow up somehow.

phrase
WA, 228 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:54AM
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In fairness, the kiters that annoyed me were not regulars. But that`s still no excuse. Even more so if you not a regular at a spot, respect the people who are. Peronally I can`t wait for winter when there is only a handfull of us that go out and only one or two at any time. Just yesterday some chap (Euro) asked me about how to self land etc. Realising he was a bigginer I showed him where he would be better off practicing and explained why. Did he listen to my advice, NO.
a: He got in the way of everyone.
b: He was putting himself in danger drifting close to the trees, power lines etc. and if you can`t self land then that could be a big problem.

There should be a sign on every beach. Idiots and selfish toolheads go home and find a different hobby.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:05PM
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Seems to be just a general attitude of wanting to show off in kiteboarding-understandably many bystanders/non-kiters are impressed with what we do-however there's no need to be a total wanker and do it as close to people/shore as possible-seems to be the general rule however.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
14 Jan 2009 12:16PM
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Why come on here and cry about it, better not to publicise the fact for the world to see. I surfed snapper this morning and got ran into by a longboarder then a short boarder, then my feet ran over by a grom on a shortboard, which cut my foot, but I wont be jumping on the surfing websites crying about it. Theres kooks in every sport, thats just life.

I wonder why you never got your visa granted Spruce ??????????

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:30PM
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Paul1 said...

Why come on here and cry about it, better not to publicise the fact for the world to see. I surfed snapper this morning and got ran into by a longboarder then a short boarder, then my feet ran over by a grom on a shortboard, which cut my foot, but I wont be jumping on the surfing websites crying about it. Theres kooks in every sport, thats just life.

I wonder why you never got your visa granted Spruce ??????????


Sorry? He has every right to bitch about irresponsible behaviour. The likelihood of kiting being banned is far higher than surfing and its behaviour like this that will get it banned. If the guy goes to the press, the press would have a field day with this.

DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:34AM
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Paul1 said...


I wonder why you never got your visa granted Spruce ??????????



Because the people at immigration are just like you? They have **** for brains.

Besides... I'm not "bitching" about this I'm interested to hear if anyone else know anything about it and if anyone know who the perp is..

Like you point out Paul1, I'm not staying for much longer anyway so why the hell should I care if you get a ban or not? Because I'm not like you. I actually have a brain and care about fellow kiteboarders...

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
14 Jan 2009 12:46PM
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Stop bitching Sprucey, you sound like a woman going through the change

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
14 Jan 2009 12:55PM
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Saffer said...

Paul1 said...

Why come on here and cry about it, better not to publicise the fact for the world to see. I surfed snapper this morning and got ran into by a longboarder then a short boarder, then my feet ran over by a grom on a shortboard, which cut my foot, but I wont be jumping on the surfing websites crying about it. Theres kooks in every sport, thats just life.

I wonder why you never got your visa granted Spruce ??????????


Sorry? He has every right to bitch about irresponsible behaviour. The likelihood of kiting being banned is far higher than surfing and its behaviour like this that will get it banned. If the guy goes to the press, the press would have a field day with this.



The comments where made to get a reaction out of Sprucey, please don't bite on his behalf, just trying to have a bit of fun.

dymo
WA, 39 posts
14 Jan 2009 1:06PM
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This is serious. There seems to be a lot of kiting down the section of beach that is used for swimming at scabs/brighton. Some of the worst offenders are local. While they may not have caused anyone any harm (yet) they set a bad example for blow ins. I haven't heard anything of this before. Is there any action being taken by the person who was harmed? Has he gone to the authorities??

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
14 Jan 2009 3:44PM
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Paul1 said...

Saffer said...

Paul1 said...

Why come on here and cry about it, better not to publicise the fact for the world to see. I surfed snapper this morning and got ran into by a longboarder then a short boarder, then my feet ran over by a grom on a shortboard, which cut my foot, but I wont be jumping on the surfing websites crying about it. Theres kooks in every sport, thats just life.

I wonder why you never got your visa granted Spruce ??????????


Sorry? He has every right to bitch about irresponsible behaviour. The likelihood of kiting being banned is far higher than surfing and its behaviour like this that will get it banned. If the guy goes to the press, the press would have a field day with this.



The comments where made to get a reaction out of Sprucey, please don't bite on his behalf, just trying to have a bit of fun.



no problem. my apologies.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
14 Jan 2009 2:00PM
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Kitehard said...

STFU Kitehard.



lol. ^^^
You are truely losing it, man.
Your mind has fully turned into mush from too many gumbies.
And remember....
What you fear, you create.

RobR
VIC, 121 posts
14 Jan 2009 4:09PM
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You are right this is very serious.

Bidwavedave says ........
Not good to publicise these incidents. Kiters are not the only people who read these forums.

Provide them with ammo you do. .

However as with any preventative approach to sporting or work incidents involving serious injury I believe disclosure and proper understanding as to how to prevent reoccurrences is vital for us all to improve the safety of the sport.

The proper posting on Seabreeze of incidents let’s all understand what we are dealing with in respect of a sport/activity that is undertaken in the public domain [not a sporting field where the public is generally precluded from involvement] and where conflicts opf use will invariable occur.

And from personal experience I know the Marine Authorities tap into hospital records for the very purpose of understanding how they may make their services more effective in preventing marine based incidents. It is not a blame game.

Well done for what appears to be proper and thoughtful remedial care.

Flux
WA, 533 posts
14 Jan 2009 2:42PM
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A question, I wonder how many members/non members read this thread and think what a bunch of Wankers
Very unfortunate " accident" for the person injured, hoping he's ok.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
14 Jan 2009 3:47PM
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RobR said...

You are right this is very serious.
Kiting as we know it in Australia is as good as over when we have the likes of recent past AKSA representatives/supporters wanting to hide incidents such as what is described above.

Bidwavedave says ........
Not good to publicise these incidents. Kiters are not the only people who read these forums.

Provide them with ammo you do. .


Big Waving D advised me via PM when challenged on his comments “Anecdotal, exaggerated & inaccurate reports of accidents which may or may not have happened are not constructive and only stir argumentative discussion and blow things out of proportion.” And added that I should not contact him again - so its to the publiuc forum we go.........

Now is BWD suggesting all posters to Seabreeze post inaccurate or exaggerated reports and therefore they should never be posted.

May I respectfully suggest BWD has a self interest in not having incidents reported as it makes the authorities rightfully more concerned? But it also highlights to all kiters that irresponsible behaviour will be noticed and followed up on.

Please note that BWD or David John McIntyre is listed on the AKSA Website as under IKO Affiliated Kiting Schools in Australia See “ Kitethrills
Location: Sunshine Coast
Contact: McIntyre David John"

I understand Mike Walker the AKSA CEO, owns Kite Thrills – so are they saying as a so called IKO Affiliated School and current and past reps of AKSA, that AKSA and IKO do not want incidents reported.

No wonder the development kiting safety in Australia can’t move forward with this type of attitude. And I am not even going to mention how this exactly parallels the lack of financial disclosure of AKSA which CEO Mike Walker is responsible for.

Kiters of Australia need to understand just who is holding back the sport and supporting proper behavioural reform particularly when undoubtedly well connected and influential individuals as Dave McIntyre {BWD] make such ludicrous comments in public.



Stop being a drama queen. No sport wants bad press splashed all over the tabloids, way too many negative, ban this ban that going around at the moment. I seriously doubt any kiter deliberately injures someone else, its just an accident, accidents happen. If you see a kiter doing something stupid at your local, simply walk up to them, smile and inform them of their inadequacies, if that doesnt work then shoot them, problem solved

simonmm
QLD, 200 posts
14 Jan 2009 4:21PM
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RobR said...

You are right this is very serious.
Kiting as we know it in Australia is as good as over when we have the likes of recent past AKSA representatives/supporters wanting to hide incidents such as what is described above.


blah blah blah .....



Both Dave and Mike have donated a great deal of their time (personal or otherwise) to protect kiting access and promote safe kiting. It seems very unfair to launch a personal online attack especially when based on unsubstantiated claims or on a personal correspondence that didn't follow a path that you hoped for.

niall barrett
WA, 248 posts
14 Jan 2009 3:38PM
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Think about this

Everybody is very quick to criticise a fellow kiter, who has been involved in an unfortunate and regrettable accident.

I am greatly sympathetic to the injured party, but I also know the kiter involved very well, and he is neither irresponsible, inexperienced, nor a show off . He spends a good deal of time wave kiting at Scarbs, and anyone who does so is likely to have some near misses at times, even if it was a lost board or a downed kite in the surf.

The kiter was greatly cut up about the incident, and in fact brought the injured party to the surf lifesavers tower, where his wounds were dressed before he was transferred by ambulance to an emergency department.

He has not gone around shouting about it of course ............who would?

The kiter has provided a full report to the Department of Planning and Infrastructure [who oversee beach safety].

He apologised to the victim, who, at the time of the accident, agreed it was an accident and said that in struggling with a rip he had not been able to lookout for other water users

These are the facts :

he was riding a wave just upwind of wher the windsurfers launch at Brighton. The semi permanent 'no swimming- currents' sign was on display at that spot.

There was a flagged area 300m down the beach, but not at brighton.

The surf and wind [25kts] had created the usual maelstrom at brighton

The swimmer had dived beneath the waves and surfaced under the board so that the kiter did not even see him, just felt him as the fin made contact

He had been on the lookout for swimmers and had seen one and was giving him a wide berth when the accident happened . Unfortunately the kiter did not know that the swimmer had a companion.

The swimmer undertook a challenging sport [bodysurfing] in a clearly hazardous environment, at a spot where in fact that activity was specifically advised against.

We have all taken knocks in our pursuit of adventure sports and bear the scars, some of them involving mates and other sports people. Do cricketers blame the bowler for delivering the ball? Body surfing is an adventure sport.

The victim thank god] was not an innocent child standing on the beach and he accepted some self responsibility when he entered the water.

How many can say that they could not possibly have caused that accident?
Have you ever kited at Brighton when other users were in the water?
Yes?
Well you're just lucky then.

I recall an incident in Trigg several years ago, when a windsurfers fin split a swimmers jaw in two, and others where surf paddle skis and surfboards have mown people down.

No water user group is immune to creating danger for others

My message is that risk in this sport can only be contained not removed .
There is a good argument in saying that in certain areas swimming should not be allowed, even if that means we can only kite in restricted zones at least we could do so knowing swimmers could not be present. In Queensland swimmers must stay between the flags are be hauled out by the lifeguards

And remember before you jump to criticise.................."there, but for the Grace of God, go I".

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
14 Jan 2009 3:55PM
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DaveSpruce said...

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Paul1 said...



Besides... I'm not "bitching" about this I'm interested to hear if anyone else know anything about it and if anyone know who the perp is..



Sounds a bit like you were bitching actually Spruce-dog. With language like "crack-head" & "perp" (very CSI style!!) and accusations that he ran the swimmer over it would appear that you were on more of a witch hunt than a fact finding mission.

DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
14 Jan 2009 4:31PM
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dirtyharry said...
it would appear



there are the key words mate. You're free to interprate things any way you want. Doesn't mean you're right



Thanks for that little report niall, now we all know what happened



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