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Created by AUS126 > 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2017
AUS126
NSW, 207 posts
1 Sep 2017 9:27AM
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I had an incident at Long Reef that has prompted me to get people thinking about surf rescue in big surf.
I was out with 3 other kiters in a 15 to 25 knot Southerly with 8 foot waves and a lot of water movement. There are a couple of bommies about 800m off shore which break in a big swell. The waves and wind were both moving in a SE direction. I was on a wave which I couldn't get off when it turned to white wash. I overtook my kite and it fell out of the sky. The kite got a pounding, I couldn't relaunch it and the next set was going to wash me into the lines so I ejected and swam south and out of the break zone. My strapless board with no leash was well gone. I started the long swim in but after copping a few scary waves I realised the surf was too big to swim in. There was a rip running straight out from beach so I swam towards this flatter section an floated back out to sea. The only way I was going to get in was by helicopter or kiter.
I let the first kiter go because he wanted to save my gear. The second kiter couldn't get to me. The third one got to me, we had a chat, he dumped his board and body dragged me back in. Thanks Francois.
LESSONS LEARNT
Think about your exit plan if things go wrong.
Look after the person in the water first. Don't worry about gear. It's easily replaced.
Don't hesitate in dumping board to body drag someone in.
Be very careful when wind and waves are going in the same direction. It is very hard to escape whitewash.
I had an impact vest on. It was very difficult to duck dive under big waves. But I was still glad I had it.
A leg rope can be a good idea in big surf.
Be sensible and don't push your luck.
Look out for each other.
Steve

dafish
NSW, 1654 posts
1 Sep 2017 10:09AM
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Glad you are okay...I had a similar thing happen a few years back. I did try and swim in through the break and took a beating. I did not have an impact vest on, but wish I did as afterwards I had a discussion on the merits of floating and bouncing in with the white water or duck diving each one. I was so smashed when I hit the beach I was dry heaving. I no longer kite in waves that big when it's onshore as it's easy to outrun a kite when a set is closing out. I also wear an impact vest when the waves are of consequence. Stoked that you had someone to help out. We all have to look out for each other. This story could have gone horribly wrong.

shi thouse
WA, 1153 posts
1 Sep 2017 8:36AM
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Sounds like Francois is owed a few coldies for his efforts.

Well done on looking out for each other...that's what the sport is all about.

Shark Biscuit
NSW, 341 posts
1 Sep 2017 1:13PM
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I had just arrived at Longy when this happened and I heard a few kiters on the beach talk about it. Glad it all went well. Did you end up finding your kite/board?

Always keep an eye out for other kiters in trouble. If you are unable to help, at least let someone else more experienced know! We are all in this together!

stuntnaz
NSW, 540 posts
1 Sep 2017 1:42PM
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Glad your ok Steve !!!
Thumbs up to all that helped !!!

bearbusa
QLD, 295 posts
1 Sep 2017 2:03PM
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Steve,

Really well said , glad your Ok and like you said the gear can always be replaced , have had few over the last 15 years where i have had to do the same,dumped brand new SB to help someone , up at Gnarloo , never found the board , the Young guy i helped could not afford to buy me a new one , which didn't worry me
Five years later got into a bit of bother myself south at Margs and guess whom came to help me

Karma

Spitfire
WA, 398 posts
3 Sep 2017 7:41PM
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Can someone explain to me why would you ditch your board? Could you give it to the stranded kiter to lay on while you take your safety off and give one end to the stranded person. Then you body drag back to the beach with the person in tow on your board?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
3 Sep 2017 8:27PM
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Can someone explain to me why would you ditch your board? Could you give it to the stranded kiter to lay on while you take your safety off and give one end to the stranded person. Then you body drag back to the beach with the person in tow on your board?


he didnt like that board much, so tell the missus how he nearly lost his life, but had to ditch his board, missus feels glad hes still around to contribute to the mortgage and take the bin out and do the odd job around the house and allows him the privelage of a new one

Robbo2099
WA, 751 posts
3 Sep 2017 10:54PM
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Leash/legrope on a surfboard in big waves is a BAD idea.

Learned that lesson the hard way and nearly didn't live to tell the story--also at Longy Bombies. Big day -- big surf and strong southerlies, about 10 years ago. Riding a strapless Slingshot SST and a standard surfboard leash. Was heading out the back and as I got to Third Bombie, thought I had time to easily crest the wave and pop over the back before it broke -- it's a big, fat wave before it breaks and you have plenty of time to see it coming an sus it out and work out whether to hop over the top or turn around and run away before it eats you.

It was a couple times overhead and I made my way up the fat face preparing to ollie over and slide down the back, but as I crested the wave, the wind got under the board and lifted it out from under my feet, blew the board up in the air in front of me -- out of my control, then back over my shoulder through my lines and it hit the water behind me, through my lines, just in time for the crest of the wave the grab the board and drag it backwards -- with my legrope still attached to the board and to me.

So, now, the wave is pulling the board toward the beach with the leg rope stretched, the legrope is now pulling my bar down hard on the left side, causing the kite to immediately steer to the left and hit the water while the same wave that's grabbed the board now grabbed the kite and is now pulling the kite toward the beach.

Meanwhile, I'm being pulled backwards underwater by my legrope with my leg through my lines over my bar while I'm still hooked in and attached to my harness.

I struggle, but I'm unable to reach my legrope on my leg due to the sheer force of the wave pulling me through the water by the kite and the board. I'm frantically trying to reach for my leg to undo the velcro, but not making any headway, but did manage finally to pull my safety on the chicken loop, which released the pressure from the kite, eventually then managing to get to the leg rope and remove it from my leg.

By now, still no air after what seemed like a minute but was probably closer to 15-20 seconds, I managed to the surface and get a short breath of air just in time for the next wave to explode on top of me in the impact zone. Luckily, at this stage, I'd manged to jettison everything except the kite leash.

Nearly out of air waiting for the next wave to pass, I eventually surfaced and caught my breath and swam back to the beach.

Fortunately, on this day, the wind was relatively onshore, so the swim in wasn't too awful -- somehow the both the kite and the board survived, though the board did get a crease that resulted in it snapping a few weeks later.

Lesson learned.

No more leg ropes in big surf.

SO, unless the waves are tiny and the wind light, leave the leg rope in the car.

Gazuki
WA, 1363 posts
4 Sep 2017 5:54AM
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Long board leg rope everytime, never had an issue. I couldn't imagine not having one.

Kraut
WA, 547 posts
4 Sep 2017 6:36AM
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Long board leg rope everytime, never had an issue. I couldn't imagine not having one.



That's the problem, we get away a million times with the sh&t we are doing. Story above should make us rethink and perhaps adjust. Short safety leash unless unhooking, knife, no leash, looking out for each other. Also (this does not refer to above story but in general), keep fit and take up swimming lessons if needed. Still remember someone in trouble back in NSW who told me he has troubles staying afloat as he was not a good swimmer. In big swell we need to be top swimmers, fit, and be lucky...

AUS126
NSW, 207 posts
4 Sep 2017 8:41AM
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Hi Spitfire, We dumped the surfboard because we were in for a pounding on the way in. There was no way I could control a surfboard while being dumped and hold onto the rescuer at the same time. A surfboard in the mix was just a dangerous projectile. If the surf was smaller, I agree handing someone your leash and towing them in on surfboard works well, but this was survival conditions.
One other thing. If you are in trouble put your hand up. Then there is no confusion then there is no confusion of priorities.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 1083 posts
4 Sep 2017 12:37PM
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I am in absolute awe of you guys out doing this in big surf. True kite heroes in my eyes. Seriously though... this has to be a pinned post, as it's a very good reminder of what can go wrong - no matter what your level of skill and expertise kitesurfing. Glad you're ok.

toppleover
QLD, 2067 posts
4 Sep 2017 12:42PM
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IMO, in the conditions described above.
If you drop your kite, your pretty well fecked.

Glad you survived to tell the tale & thanks for sharing your experience.

Peahi
VIC, 1482 posts
4 Sep 2017 4:41PM
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As a paddle surfer I would not go out in double O/H, let alone solid O/H unless I am surf-fit so I am not sure if kiting feels like it makes you more brave to tackle these kinds of waves. But in this situation I would have thought a leg rope might have given a better outcome despite potential tangles. Let the kite go, catch the whitewater in.

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
4 Sep 2017 7:54PM
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This kind of post sends me shivers down my spine as I'm transitioning to strapless in the surf...
Pretty sure I would save my SB and ditch the kite entirely in those conditions and try paddle back if possible.
Interesting the comments about the impact vest.

DutchRooster
NSW, 325 posts
10 Sep 2017 10:36PM
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Like Steve, same spot but a week later... same situation in that I got on to a big 8ft bombies and outsurfed my kite. Kite backstalled, not enough wind (and on too onshore) to correct it and all I could do is keep surfing the wave until most of its energy dissipated. Kite hits the water behind the wave, I punch out, hit the water, board gone (no leash). Next wave pounds my kite (it's shredded - total loss). I was still attached to my safety so pull the bar back towards me and used what was left of the kite to wash me to shore. Took a few on the head but without a floatation jacket so I managed to dive under a few of them.

I have been thinking about the "what if" scenarios for a while - well before this incident. How to rescue an unconscious kiter, how to drag someone in from the back when the big bombies are breaking, how to engage life guards in kitemares, etc. In fact, I sent messages to all the strapless kiters on the Northern beaches with info on a custom rescue course led by one of the guys that trains the professional lifeguards. Lots of interest so think it's time we set it in motion.

Also, in the last 2 weeks half a dozen of the more experienced big wave kiters decided to buy helmets - for those days when you do decide to use a board leash.

Lastly; I've been eyeing up an inflatable life vest that's small and snug enough to wear without getting in the way of the harness. Wear a rashie over it. For when it all goes to **** (as in Steve's case).






Plummet
4862 posts
11 Sep 2017 3:27PM
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Yeah, The stuff of nightmares. I've had to swim In half a dozon times some far. Man it takes ages and is bloody draining in massive surf.

These days a do everything possible to keep the kite in the sky. Loop it, fly the **** out of it. using to punch you through the surf or body drag with the surf. relauch as fast as possible...

If the kites down and theres no way of relaunching I try my luck at sacrificing the kite and having that drag me in. But sometimes you get dragged underwater. If that's that case I punch out and swim in. That is my least preferred option.

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
11 Sep 2017 8:51PM
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glad to hear it ended well aus126.

i reckon it's important to always wear a legrope in the surf. having your board in reach is invaluable when you're out the back and the kite is suddenly taken out of the equation...

gcdave
534 posts
12 Sep 2017 3:48AM
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Interesting thread. I think without accepting certain facts about ur own safety in a sizey session ud end up having a helmet, impact vest,life vest,line cutter on a leash,leg leash,plb,flares..plus boardies over the wettie....list goes on im sure

All these extra bits take away from just getn out and riding,keepn the session simple and focused on what ur doing. They're distractions from aspects about big wave riding,even though each extra bit of safety equipment has its merit

Not saying dont use a leggie (i use one sometimes and have had my fair share of leggie thru the lines) or life vest, but to think about if you accept the risk for the session rather then wearing more **** which wont make your judgement better in the moment

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 331 posts
12 Sep 2017 6:36AM
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DutchRooster said..
Like Steve, same spot but a week later... same situation in that I got on to a big 8ft bombies and outsurfed my kite. Kite backstalled, not enough wind (and on too onshore) to correct it and all I could do is keep surfing the wave until most of its energy dissipated. Kite hits the water behind the wave, I punch out, hit the water, board gone (no leash). Next wave pounds my kite (it's shredded - total loss). I was still attached to my safety so pull the bar back towards me and used what was left of the kite to wash me to shore. Took a few on the head but without a floatation jacket so I managed to dive under a few of them.

I have been thinking about the "what if" scenarios for a while - well before this incident. How to rescue an unconscious kiter, how to drag someone in from the back when the big bombies are breaking, how to engage life guards in kitemares, etc. In fact, I sent messages to all the strapless kiters on the Northern beaches with info on a custom rescue course led by one of the guys that trains the professional lifeguards. Lots of interest so think it's time we set it in motion.

Also, in the last 2 weeks half a dozen of the more experienced big wave kiters decided to buy helmets - for those days when you do decide to use a board leash.

Lastly; I've been eyeing up an inflatable life vest that's small and snug enough to wear without getting in the way of the harness. Wear a rashie over it. For when it all goes to **** (as in Steve's case).







i wouldnt call that a total loss mate. plenty of life in that kite still. easy and strait forward repair.

DutchRooster
NSW, 325 posts
12 Sep 2017 10:04PM
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DutchRooster said..
Like Steve, same spot but a week later... same situation in that I got on to a big 8ft bombies and outsurfed my kite. Kite backstalled, not enough wind (and on too onshore) to correct it and all I could do is keep surfing the wave until most of its energy dissipated. Kite hits the water behind the wave, I punch out, hit the water, board gone (no leash). Next wave pounds my kite (it's shredded - total loss). I was still attached to my safety so pull the bar back towards me and used what was left of the kite to wash me to shore. Took a few on the head but without a floatation jacket so I managed to dive under a few of them.

I have been thinking about the "what if" scenarios for a while - well before this incident. How to rescue an unconscious kiter, how to drag someone in from the back when the big bombies are breaking, how to engage life guards in kitemares, etc. In fact, I sent messages to all the strapless kiters on the Northern beaches with info on a custom rescue course led by one of the guys that trains the professional lifeguards. Lots of interest so think it's time we set it in motion.

Also, in the last 2 weeks half a dozen of the more experienced big wave kiters decided to buy helmets - for those days when you do decide to use a board leash.

Lastly; I've been eyeing up an inflatable life vest that's small and snug enough to wear without getting in the way of the harness. Wear a rashie over it. For when it all goes to **** (as in Steve's case).







i wouldnt call that a total loss mate. plenty of life in that kite still. easy and strait forward repair.


Third time it's been through the bombies washing cycle, mate. It already had the nickname "grandma's featherbed" because it had more patches than original canvas! Lol. It's a goner. Donating it a kiterepairer who can use the material to repair someone else pride and joy. After 15 years riding North, I'm currently considering switching to Eleveight!

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 331 posts
13 Sep 2017 5:15AM
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DutchRooster said..

Adam'KiteRepair said..


DutchRooster said..
Like Steve, same spot but a week later... same situation in that I got on to a big 8ft bombies and outsurfed my kite. Kite backstalled, not enough wind (and on too onshore) to correct it and all I could do is keep surfing the wave until most of its energy dissipated. Kite hits the water behind the wave, I punch out, hit the water, board gone (no leash). Next wave pounds my kite (it's shredded - total loss). I was still attached to my safety so pull the bar back towards me and used what was left of the kite to wash me to shore. Took a few on the head but without a floatation jacket so I managed to dive under a few of them.

I have been thinking about the "what if" scenarios for a while - well before this incident. How to rescue an unconscious kiter, how to drag someone in from the back when the big bombies are breaking, how to engage life guards in kitemares, etc. In fact, I sent messages to all the strapless kiters on the Northern beaches with info on a custom rescue course led by one of the guys that trains the professional lifeguards. Lots of interest so think it's time we set it in motion.

Also, in the last 2 weeks half a dozen of the more experienced big wave kiters decided to buy helmets - for those days when you do decide to use a board leash.

Lastly; I've been eyeing up an inflatable life vest that's small and snug enough to wear without getting in the way of the harness. Wear a rashie over it. For when it all goes to **** (as in Steve's case).







i wouldnt call that a total loss mate. plenty of life in that kite still. easy and strait forward repair.



Third time it's been through the bombies washing cycle, mate. It already had the nickname "grandma's featherbed" because it had more patches than original canvas! Lol. It's a goner. Donating it a kiterepairer who can use the material to repair someone else pride and joy. After 15 years riding North, I'm currently considering switching to Eleveight!


yep, I get that. keeping a kite alive can become a rabit hole. Best to kn9w when to pull the pin.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 1083 posts
13 Sep 2017 1:17PM
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Adam'KiteRepair said..

DutchRooster said..


Adam'KiteRepair said..



DutchRooster said..
... Next wave pounds my kite (it's shredded - total loss)....








i wouldnt call that a total loss mate. plenty of life in that kite still. easy and strait forward repair.




Third time it's been through the bombies washing cycle, mate. It already had the nickname "grandma's featherbed" because it had more patches than original canvas! Lol. It's a goner. Donating it a kiterepairer who can use the material to repair someone else pride and joy. After 15 years riding North, I'm currently considering switching to Eleveight!



yep, I get that. keeping a kite alive can become a rabit hole. Best to kn9w when to pull the pin.


Wow Adam. You and I must think alike, because as soon as I read "total loss", I thought the same... nah that's an easy repair job. Shame you got to it before me though. At least I am glad you got a NO SALE out of it! hahaha chill man chill.

DutchRooster
NSW, 325 posts
13 Sep 2017 4:45PM
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Keen to get a view from others here if an inflatable life vest (similar to the one pictured) is a good idea on big days. Opinions seem to be divided. Some see it as an obstruction to being able to duck dive waves, others think it's good to have something to keep your head above the water when kite and board are gone.

bjw
QLD, 3686 posts
13 Sep 2017 7:26PM
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That's a pretty hairy situation Steve, and all the locals would've preferred it have happened to Dutch rooster, so much so we set his gear up to fail the next session.

Out of this though, a lot of the crew are rethinking their safety, because you charge and if you took a scare then someone else could've got seriously hurt.

Time to think about vests and leashes on big days and not stress about looking like a kook.

Remember we are kiters, one step about SUPers. Already Kooks.

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 331 posts
13 Sep 2017 7:53PM
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Keen to get a view from others here if an inflatable life vest (similar to the one pictured) is a good idea on big days. Opinions seem to be divided. Some see it as an obstruction to being able to duck dive waves, others think it's good to have something to keep your head above the water when kite and board are gone.


I think first and foremost, we have to look at all this as a reminder that if you are surf fit, you will be able to swim out of most situations. time for me to spend some time doing laps again! outside of that I always feel safer when i have a leash on.

Phoney
NSW, 608 posts
14 Sep 2017 9:56AM
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DutchRooster said..
Keen to get a view from others here if an inflatable life vest (similar to the one pictured) is a good idea on big days. Opinions seem to be divided. Some see it as an obstruction to being able to duck dive waves, others think it's good to have something to keep your head above the water when kite and board are gone.


I suggest to go somewhere like Whitworths and try on a couple. You might find that they arent very comfortable.

You also need to get them serviced once a year.

TimAus
NSW, 18 posts
14 Sep 2017 5:52PM
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And nearly impossible to swim in once inflated. The thought of wearing a self inflating lifejacket in big surf scares me more than having a long swin and a couple of set waves on the head.

timmybuddhadude
WA, 862 posts
14 Sep 2017 4:16PM
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Cool post and excellent rescue story...glad all is ok...

bjw
QLD, 3686 posts
14 Sep 2017 6:53PM
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And nearly impossible to swim in once inflated. The thought of wearing a self inflating lifejacket in big surf scares me more than having a long swin and a couple of set waves on the head.


When you get smashed so bad you can't swim, then thats the problem.

A lot of the best surfers and fittest crew have been in this situation.

You think you will die.

Then it's nice to have something to point you towards the surface.



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