So I want to get this glazing compound to finish of my hydrofoil build.
Its recommended by the delta hydrofoil guy and looks like a good idea.
So i go to my local automotive paint shop. Never heard of it.
A bit more research reveals its a 3m product. I ring 3m in NZ.
They say go back to the automotive shop they are the agents.
I ring the guy back. Give him the exact model of the product. He still has no idea.
I ring another agent. They have no idea either.
Finally I fire up ebay. There is the exact product I want $10 free international shipping from the US.
2 minutes later its ordered. Job done.
Bloody hell its easy to order stuff online if you know exactly what you want. Its often a lot easier than buying local and getting considerably worse service.
Same here
Needed a nice tight lamb and a pair of Wellington boots
Asked around locally and kept getting told New Zealand was my best option![]()

Bloody hell its easy to order stuff online if you know exactly what you want. Its often a lot easier than buying local and getting considerably worse service.
I have to agree with you mate. Local kite shops are very similar in terms of their bad customer service. Oh they are great and approachable when you're blonde, tall, busty and wanting to buy a bikini or some clothes, but when a kite surfer comes in, a bloke, they look at you as if - what do you want!? Ahhh I need a kite valve replacement... Nah don't have any (when I know they do!).
Bloody hell its easy to order stuff online if you know exactly what you want. Its often a lot easier than buying local and getting considerably worse service.
I have to agree with you mate. Local kite shops are very similar in terms of their bad customer service. Oh they are great and approachable when you're blonde, tall, busty and wanting to buy a bikini or some clothes, but when a kite surfer comes in, a bloke, they look at you as if - what do you want!? Ahhh I need a kite valve replacement... Nah don't have any (when I know they do!).
There is a particularly bad kite shop in Perth. Their customer service skills are terrible. Online is the way these days.

I buy plenty online and happy to do so
I like the order and then receive the goods later scenario.
As my daughter tells me, its twice the shopping experience, woohoo, I ordered what and want, then woohoo, look what I got when its delivered!
I do my best to shop local and support local business, but when you can buy specific items online for less than half what the local business charges, I know who wins.
As for kites and things, all online for me as the closest shop is hours away
So I want to get this glazing compound to finish of my hydrofoil build.
Its recommended by the delta hydrofoil guy and looks like a good idea.
So i go to my local automotive paint shop. Never heard of it.
A bit more research reveals its a 3m product.
hey Plummet,
can you tell me the the exact model of the product?
and maybe where you got it from online?
our local butcher makes gluten-free preservative free sausages for my wife who has some food intolerances ... sorry what were we talking about?
Local can be good though. I've been busy replacing parts of my BRM bar, and I've been down at the local yacht shop talking through the process with them and trying to find standard marine equipment that I can substitute out for the proprietary BRM quick releases. End result: I can now make my own harness connector and quick releases for the BRM bar for less than 20 AUD. I believe that combination is about 200 USD + shipping from BRM. Before I started talking to the local yacht guys I had no idea what I was doing!
Local can be good though. I've been busy replacing parts of my BRM bar, and I've been down at the local yacht shop talking through the process with them and trying to find standard marine equipment that I can substitute out for the proprietary BRM quick releases. End result: I can now make my own harness connector and quick releases for the BRM bar for less than 20 AUD. I believe that combination is about 200 USD + shipping from BRM. Before I started talking to the local yacht guys I had no idea what I was doing!
Now that sounds interesting. Can you upload a picture of the parts and your new setup?
HUGE DISCLAIMER:
If you do this, you might die! Because I am not a safety professional and am a complete amateur. This was a project I did because I'm too poor to buy real parts. If you can afford real parts, you should buy them! I have no idea what I'm doing, this is just a first-principles DIY project. Don't do this!
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My experiences with it:
I started slow, and just replaced the connector part on my harness to begin with. I've been out twice so far with it, and haven't had any issues. But I should stress that I ride low-wind foiling, with no jumps. So I'm not subjecting my DIY equipment to massive amounts of pressure or stress.
I've just replaced the main ropes on the bar today and haven't tested them yet. So I will report back once that works/fails.
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Ok, these are the three parts that you might want to replace. The top two piece of rope connect to the middle two lines of your kite, and get passed through the bar hole. They receive the most wear and tear of any piece on the bar. I think this costs around 130 USD.
The bottom piece is the part that connects to the harness. It also receives a decent amount of wear and tear. I think it costs around 70 or 80 USD.
This was my original setup. I didn't like this because:
1. The SS rings didn't slide very well on the rope
2. The SS rings wore down my blue rope rather quickly
3. I found the BRM connector was getting weakened at the point where it joined to the SS rings (I suspect it was because the SS rings shifted a lot)
This is my current setup now:
You can see that I've replaced the two separate BRM pieces (which allowed adjustable arm lengths) to one single piece. This was because:
1. I always rode it on the lowest setting and never changed it (so adjustability wasn't needed)
2. It reduced the wear and tear (no joinage points or knots to add stress or weaken the rope)
I also replaced the SS rings with frictionless widgets (?) (I forget what it's called).
Anyway, to make this, I took 4mm dyneema rope and marked the following lengths on it:
15cm (splice tail)
12cm (this is the loop you can see in the right side of the picture)
20cm (middle piece of the rope)
4cm (the loop that holds the SS pointy stick on the left side of the picture)
15cm (splice tail).
Then you need to sew it all to keep it down nice and tight.
The SS pointy stick I'm referring to is the one on the right in the picture below.
Basically, you do an empty eye splice first, then you do an eye splice around the SS pointy stick below. You then tie 2mm shock cord through the eyesplice that contains the SS pointy stick, and loop it around the black ball. I then used a double Fishermans loop to tie it off.
So that was 70 USD saved. I now need to save another 130 USD with the other two pieces of line.
It was a very similar concept. Just eye splices and these QRs. The key part here is to take it very slowly and methodically.
You start off with replacing the NON-QR line, without burying the splice tails (as you WILL need to reside the splices once you've realised that you made them the wrong length).
So for the non-QR line, you have the following lengths:
20cm (splice tail)
12cm (eye loop) -- do this splice first
67.5cm
4cm (eye loop - put SS ring through it) -- do this splice second
20 cm (splice tail)
So once you've made this line, you replace it very gently on the bar, leaving everything loose and nothing tied in. I think you need to slip the black ball down this line at this point.
For the QR line, you have the following lengths:
20cm (splice tail)
12cm (eye loop) -- do this splice first
67.5cm
4cm (put SS spike through it) -- do this splice second
20cm (splice tail)
Again, replace it very gently on the bar, leaving everything loose and nothing tied in.
Now you can figure out if your lines are the same length. If they aren't, resize the 67.5cm lengths by moving the 4cm eye loops up/down on the appropriate line(s).
Now you should have something that looks like this:
If everything works, you can now put the ends of your splices into the rope and probably sew them up.
You can then tie 2mm shock cord around the ball/through the eye loop (NOT THE HOLE OF THE SS SPIKE -- IT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH) to make it a proper QR.
You should then test this a lot to see if it actually works, or if you will die/lose your kite when using it!
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The parts used in this project are:
4mm dyneema rope (took about 2m of rope at around 5 AUD/m)
"Black balls" PMP 272N (2 at around $3 each)
Rolled swage J/G 37660 (2 at around $3 each)
Round SS ring 4mm x 25Ø (2 at around $3 each)
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Any comments or suggestions would be welcomed.
Also, another somewhat interesting kitesurfing project: I worked with my mum to create a vest that rides high up on my back and stashes a pair of bodyboard flippers inside them. So if I'm going on a trip that could be kind of dodgy, I have my absolute last fallback plan: ditch all my kite surfing gear and swim back with flippers on.
This was when we were working through the first prototype:
It works and looks a lot better now, but it's sitting in the car and I can't be bothered to go out and take pictures of it, so this is the only picture I have right now.
Hey raw996, I did the same - I quite enjoy splicing now & also made a set of pigtails.
Nice!!! Where did you get the proper "T" bars from? An old BRM bar, or did you actually find the source of them?
So if I'm going on a trip that could be kind of dodgy, I have my absolute last fallback plan: ditch all my kite surfing gear and swim back with flippers on.
At first, I thought, why...
I guess its not a "bad" idea.
How far are you kiting from the Coast anyway?
If **** really hit the fan, depack and use your kite as a sail. Effortlessly make your way back to the beach.
Most kites probably don't really venture more than 500m from the beach. With 2 flotation devices (harness and board), probably don't need flippers.
So if I'm going on a trip that could be kind of dodgy, I have my absolute last fallback plan: ditch all my kite surfing gear and swim back with flippers on.
At first, I thought, why...
I guess its not a "bad" idea.
How far are you kiting from the Coast anyway?
If **** really hit the fan, depack and use your kite as a sail. Effortlessly make your way back to the beach.
Most kites probably don't really venture more than 500m from the beach. With 2 flotation devices (harness and board), probably don't need flippers.
I totally agree with you. My first option would always be a self-rescue with the kite as a sail (I did one yesterday in fact!). But I travel a lot, and I'm currently in Mozambique where there is zero SAR, no navy or coastguard, no lifeguards, and dangerous currents. I can't use my board to paddle back in as it's a foilboard (so it actually weighs me down).
So my primary rescue tool is the kite. But if that fails, then I'd like to not be in a dangerous position without any options.
I agree that if I was in a popular south coast spot with lifeguards 500m away, and playing in the waves with dead on-shore wind, then this would not be necessary.
Hey raw996, I did the same - I quite enjoy splicing now & also made a set of pigtails.
Nice!!! Where did you get the proper "T" bars from? An old BRM bar, or did you actually find the source of them?
The pins are from old Cabrinha QR,s
I think they are the same type BRM use.
Wait - I'm really confused ?? How did we get from glazing compounds and local availability vs on line - to flippers and anal beads ?? Lawrie - more moderation please!!!!!
Wait - I'm really confused ?? How did we get from glazing compounds and local availability vs on line - to flippers and anal beads ?? Lawrie - more moderation please!!!!!
i ask myself the same,
one minute im checking the wind
next im on red tube
Wait - I'm really confused ?? How did we get from glazing compounds and local availability vs on line - to flippers and anal beads ?? Lawrie - more moderation please!!!!!
i ask myself the same,
one minute im checking the wind
next im on red tube
You mean you tube?
Wait - I'm really confused ?? How did we get from glazing compounds and local availability vs on line - to flippers and anal beads ?? Lawrie - more moderation please!!!!!
i ask myself the same,
one minute im checking the wind
next im on red tube
You mean you tube?
No, he doesn't