While kiters are generally a chilled bunch the short tack can boil anyones blood if you catch them at the wrong time, this kiter is the first to be put on display for executing the short tack on the wrong kiters!
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They wouldn't like it here - nobody looks when turning (except me) and then get cranky when you get too close to them . . .
I would think if you got caught by someone in front of you turning around, that it would be your fault for tail gating?
If I want to tack, I always have a quick look to check if someone is around, but I would think it is their responsibility to move cause they are the selfish ones sitting right on my a$$.
I don't know if this is a rule (regarding your short tack advice) but I had never heard that one before.
In my understanding, you give way to those who are upwind of you and on the same tack, that would be the person in front of you.
Clarification please?
Select to expand quotejamdfingr said..
I would think if you got caught by someone in front of you turning around, that it would be your fault for tail gating?
If I want to tack, I always have a quick look to check if someone is around, but I would think it is their responsibility to move cause they are the selfish ones sitting right on my a$$.
I don't know if this is a rule (regarding your short tack advice) but I had never heard that one before.
In my understanding, you give way to those who are upwind of you and on the same tack, that would be the person in front of you.
Clarification please?
Ill try and explain this as best as possible;
At most places where civilized people kite there is some kind of circuit, like a race track. especially where there are definate choppy to flat water spots for doing tricks (example rock groynes). There should be a safe distance between riders so if someone crashes you can go around or shorten the circuit until that rider joins again.
A short tack is when a rider is coming towards you and instead of going under or over you (depending on if they are upwind or downwind) they change direction (tack) and end up in front of you. If the distance between you and the rider who has just changed direction is short enough to disrupt your riding towards the trick area or cuts you off so you must change speed or direction and or stops you from attempting your trick this is deemed a short tack.
Imagine you are driving down a road and a car is coming down the other side of the road towards you, instead of just going past you suddenly they swerve and change direction and end up in front of you.....this is a short tack.
When riding in these choppy to flat water spots its common for rude kiters to try and cut in or short tack and it gets people angry when it happens time and time again!
Righto, that makes sense.
So if you are heading towards someone who is heading into the "common zone" then don't pull up and tack right in front of them.
You should instead, lift or duck your kite to go around them and then tack behind them when it is clear!
Can't say I have ever short tack'd and cut someone off, but the rule makes a lot of sense!
Thanks mate!
Select to expand quoteNoBS said..
I reckon a bit of gaffer tape and a friendly fence approach may work at Leighton beach WA!!
Kook central and Euro dog beach launch pad
Bit of a WAKSA presence may also help.. But as usual it's the old chesnut " 'we dont have the resources, manpower, time, energy, cant be bothered unless it involves the L2L jolly up".
Join WAKSA and volunteer then mate, dont bitch about it !
I have to point out violence is definately not the answer straight away, some people are just un aware of what they are doing and have never had the education. Have a nice quiet word to offenders first and see if you can make them see the error of their ways.
If this fails im happy to see offenders taped to fences across Australia 
Be warned Lochie, next time I might not have a knife for you to cut yourself free. I was holding back on posting your photo on Facebook.... Oh well now it's on a public forum. This one will be kept for your 21st
Round here a "short tacker" is a person that is vertically challenged.
The advice given to these individuals is to sue the council for making the roads to close to their arrse.
Nice light hearted look at an issue that can get the blood boiling.
Getting the message across without angst, well done! 
Select to expand quotethe gibbo said..NoBS said..
I reckon a bit of gaffer tape and a friendly fence approach may work at Leighton beach WA!!
Kook central and Euro dog beach launch pad
Bit of a WAKSA presence may also help.. But as usual it's the old chesnut " 'we dont have the resources, manpower, time, energy, cant be bothered unless it involves the L2L jolly up".
Join WAKSA and volunteer then mate, dont bitch about it !
Big ditto from me Mr Cameraman.
What do the NOBs out there expect - volunteers who give up their free spare time to help the sport to also volunteer their kiting time to police beaches so non-members arent hassled by short tackers & other inconsiderate NOBs.
Maybe if there were enough NOBs on the volunteer list a few may be prepared to act as kite advisory officers occassionally on a roster.
As it is WAKSA & all the state KSA's & KA itself are struggling just to cover the essential workload.
Get Real here. KSA's are for sensible guidelines & serious council challengers - its up to ALL kiters to see that correct conduct is known & followed on site.
FFS!!!! Some people wouldnt flush unless someone offered to press the button for them.
And then theres the NOBs who bitch about unflushed floaters when they expect a clean bowl is just their god given right.
Quote: FFS!!!! Some people wouldnt flush unless someone offered to press the button for them. And then theres the NOBs who bitch about unflushed floaters when they expect a clean bowl is just their god given right""
"If my local sources are correct... Didn't BWS do some flushing on you and hand the BWS kiteschool to West Oz Kiteboarding?!!"
"Dont Hold Back"
Apart from you two having a hissy fit about something the rest of us aren't in on, all this thread says to me is that kiter need to spread out more. Get better at organising a launcher, or learn to self launch/land.
Maybe I've been spoiled but I can't see any fun in doing laps of a race track with people in front and behind, lining up to do your one jump or trick for the peanut gallery, then going round again. Too much hard work and stress.
Kiteboy Dave it's not that hard, it depends on the location as well. Having rock groynes and choppy water makes everyone hunt off the flat water for tricks, the circuit just allows more people to share the area to do what they want.
Guys who have endless flat water are lucky!
Select to expand quoteNoBS said..
Quote: FFS!!!! Some people wouldnt flush unless someone offered to press the button for them. And then theres the NOBs who bitch about unflushed floaters when they expect a clean bowl is just their god given right""
"If my local sources are correct... Didn't BWS do some flushing on you and hand the BWS kiteschool to West Oz Kiteboarding?!!"
"Dont Hold Back"
No your local sources are NOT correct. Kite Surf SUP is still the Perth agent for BWS and still running the Noise in our school.
Was that 'local' sources or "yokel" sources?
Funny how anonymous posters always know-it-all & better than everyone but dont want to share the real source of all that wisdom.
Fess Up or Shut Up would be my call for posting rights. But hey the Bullshyte is good for SB ratings.
Except for the droves of kiters it drives away completely.
Select to expand quoteAllianceGear said...
Kiteboy Dave it's not that hard, it depends on the location as well. Having rock groynes and choppy water makes everyone hunt off the flat water for tricks, the circuit just allows more people to share the area to do what they want.
Guys who have endless flat water are lucky!
That way you Whoop Whoop boys can keep the fluck out of the surf on ya tt's
Select to expand quotepuppetonastring said...NoBS said..
Quote: FFS!!!! Some people wouldnt flush unless someone offered to press the button for them. And then theres the NOBs who bitch about unflushed floaters when they expect a clean bowl is just their god given right""
"If my local sources are correct... Didn't BWS do some flushing on you and hand the BWS kiteschool to West Oz Kiteboarding?!!"
"Dont Hold Back"
No your local sources are NOT correct. Kite Surf SUP is still the Perth agent for BWS and still running the Noise in our school.
Was that 'local' sources or "yokel" sources?
Funny how anonymous posters always know-it-all & better than everyone but dont want to share the real source of all that wisdom.
Fess Up or Shut Up would be my call for posting rights. But hey the Bullshyte is good for SB ratings.
Except for the droves of kiters it drives away completely.
Ohhh please ................... 
Select to expand quotepuppetonastring said..NoBS said..
Quote: FFS!!!! Some people wouldnt flush unless someone offered to press the button for them. And then theres the NOBs who bitch about unflushed floaters when they expect a clean bowl is just their god given right""
"If my local sources are correct... Didn't BWS do some flushing on you and hand the BWS kiteschool to West Oz Kiteboarding?!!"
"Dont Hold Back"
No your local sources are NOT correct. Kite Surf SUP is still the Perth agent for BWS and still running the Noise in our school.
Was that 'local' sources or "yokel" sources?
Funny how anonymous posters always know-it-all & better than everyone but dont want to share the real source of all that wisdom.
Fess Up or Shut Up would be my call for posting rights. But hey the Bullshyte is good for SB ratings.
Except for the droves of kiters it drives away completely.
Everyone knows you retail BWS Noises... Only a NOB would not... However that was not my point...
You once spruiked the mighty Jeep/BWS kite school.... Then it was not.... Was it fate, was it a few too many sherberts at Kitestock, but alas you don't wish to say here on SB ...
nobs does have a point about leighton . Hence why i don't kite there anymore .
No matter how many times you point out the wrong doings in a polite matter it never gets anywhere . Blowins are just rude f@ckwits and even after telling them to move from the dogbeach or doing other equally stupid **** they just go about their own business
sometimes beginers get scared of someone kiteing at them and turn around. becaus when on the water they cant remember 100% what right of way is so they just try avoid an accident. allso it means giving up there very hard fought for upwind location. they fight very hard to try remain upwind. being beginers they allways end up downwind and sometimes walking back. this can allso stress them out.
I have had lessons and have been kiting for about 20 months and neither short tacking and or any other rules of etiquette were explained to me either by my instructor or anyone down the beach, I know to try and consider others and try not to f--- up any ones ride or line when possible.
The only rule I have read about on SB is the general idea that the person heading out has the right of way and even that seems to be hotly debated.
Please give me a simple explanation of what is considered short tacking and any other rules that are considered to be concrete as I know there are a lot of self centred w--kers out there but I cant help but think if I can kite for 20 months without any one advising on rules then there must be others that also haven't been informed, I have asked several kiters on the beach whom has right of way and seem to get a different answer from everyone. I am more interested in the surf etiquette than flat water. it should be a mandatory part of the third lesson, surely all shops would want to teach this to their students so all future kiters are aware of how to kite without starting a riot and pissing everyone off or worse hurting someone ?
Select to expand quotewheels said..
surely all shops would want to teach this to their students so all future kiters are aware of how to kite without starting a riot and pissing everyone off or worse hurting someone ?
You would think so wouldnt you. ?
Thankfully the sport has come around to a point where most kiters will recomend lessons to beginners as a basic pre-requisite for everyone.
But if schools just operate as 'skill instructors' and dont 'educate' kiters in all the other equally vital safety & etiquette (which is quite often also safety related stuff) issues then where is the point to lessons being promoted as the only way-to-go.
Any competent kiter can teach the skills (more or less but not necessarily safely) - its the education that counts.
