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Sharks and Leashes

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Created by guuy > 9 months ago, 31 May 2012
guuy
WA, 8 posts
31 May 2012 9:33AM
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Hi ,

First of all this is a debate I'm not a for or against ,I would just like some feedback.

With the increase of sharks I think we may have to start thinking if leashes should be worn.

As you know when you body drag you are a big lure for sharks. I know shark attacks are rare but they are increasing.


I think out of the two,a shark attack or board strike, a shark attack is much worse.

Neptune
WA, 189 posts
31 May 2012 9:55AM
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^^^^ I see where you are coming from but still the amount of board strikes would be far greater than the amount of shark attacks.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
31 May 2012 9:56AM
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I'm happy to take my chances with the sharks. From what I've sEen on the few people that kite at my local with leashes it encourages bad techniques (especially relaunching in light winds) and results in more time spent in the water as shark bait, not less.

anoldman
75 posts
31 May 2012 10:03AM
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Board leash risks are both sling return and possible tangle around bar or lines.
Now using my surfboard as a kiteboard and losing it alot. Surfing without a leash has a nice freedom and kiting is the same.
Generally here along the metro beach I'm not that far out so to lose the board is not that much of a problem.

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
31 May 2012 12:05PM
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Got to agree with Neptune
I don't know of one Kiter that has been attacked by a shark but I know of at least 50 people that have had to seek medical attention after being hit by there board because of leashes of all types.

You may be a lure when body dragging but why make yourself a self chumming lure

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
31 May 2012 12:47PM
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I like kiting with newbees who spend a lot of time in the water because they distract the sharks. I personally feel much safer.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
31 May 2012 3:31PM
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guuy said...

Hi ,

First of all this is a debate I'm not a for or against ,I would just like some feedback.

With the increase of sharks I think we may have to start thinking if leashes should be worn.

As you know when you body drag you are a big lure for sharks. I know shark attacks are rare but they are increasing.


I think out of the two,a shark attack or board strike, a shark attack is much worse.


Specious reasoning Guuy... It's like me taking a rock to the beach when I kitesurf in order to prevent shark attacks. No sharks have attacked me yet so I guess the rock is doing it's job! PM me if you would like to buy the rock off me.

Subculture
443 posts
31 May 2012 3:51PM
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lostinlondon said...


Specious reasoning Guuy... It's like me taking a rock to the beach when I kitesurf in order to prevent shark attacks. No sharks have attacked me yet so I guess the rock is doing it's job! PM me if you would like to buy the rock off me.


Don't sell your lucky charm..

Business idea - break rock down into smaller pieces.. More product = more profit Remember, keep the biggest piece for yourself

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
31 May 2012 6:38PM
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Subculture said...

lostinlondon said...


Specious reasoning Guuy... It's like me taking a rock to the beach when I kitesurf in order to prevent shark attacks. No sharks have attacked me yet so I guess the rock is doing it's job! PM me if you would like to buy the rock off me.


Don't sell your lucky charm..

Business idea - break rock down into smaller pieces.. More product = more profit Remember, keep the biggest piece for yourself


OR... I could start a rock breeding program and keep the Stud rock for myself! This doesn't require me to break my rock. Only problem is I hear rocks can be tricky to breed in captivity... I better get him a good looking rock to mate with...

Plummet
4862 posts
31 May 2012 4:49PM
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More people in Aussie are killed by vending machines each year than shark attacks.

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
31 May 2012 7:02PM
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thats because more people are trying to retreve stuff from
vending machines that they paided for, but is not forth coming

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
31 May 2012 7:03PM
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lostinlondon said...

guuy said...

Hi ,

First of all this is a debate I'm not a for or against ,I would just like some feedback.

With the increase of sharks I think we may have to start thinking if leashes should be worn.

As you know when you body drag you are a big lure for sharks. I know shark attacks are rare but they are increasing.


I think out of the two,a shark attack or board strike, a shark attack is much worse.


Specious reasoning Guuy... It's like me taking a rock to the beach when I kitesurf in order to prevent shark attacks. No sharks have attacked me yet so I guess the rock is doing it's job! PM me if you would like to buy the rock off me.


How big and How much ???

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
31 May 2012 7:30PM
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So a Leash attached to your board, board springs back on leash hitting you in the face knocking you out and leaving a nasty open gash pulsating out blood.
Or no leash, learn not to fall off.

Shane10
QLD, 102 posts
31 May 2012 8:12PM
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Are shark numbers on the rise?

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
31 May 2012 6:22PM
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Yeh back in 2001 when learning we all used leashes. The only major injury I've had from kiting is having the Board submerge then sling out of the water and crack my head open. Even with my hand up to prevent this, missed it and whacko. But I know why you posted this, few times been body dragging back especially down Denmark way and felt damn vulnerable.

thorn
WA, 172 posts
31 May 2012 7:05PM
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I've used a reel leash for 5 years, they are designed for kiting and work perfectly. Never had a problem as they can't retract against the pressure of the water, I actually have to pull my board back to me. Back in 2001 people used surfboard leashes so no wonder people got hurt.

People that don't fall off are the same people that never try any new tricks and hence never improve.

As far as IanR's comment about knowing at least 50 people hurt by board leashes is a joke, we are not idiots , please don't make things up.

moons
WA, 349 posts
31 May 2012 7:37PM
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Plummet said...

More people in Aussie are killed by vending machines each year than shark attacks.




I used a vending machine today and had no idea how close to death I was.
Rogue vending machine numders are on the rise.
I know we are in their environment but I think we should start to cull them

Subculture
443 posts
31 May 2012 7:39PM
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lostinlondon said...

Subculture said...

lostinlondon said...


Specious reasoning Guuy... It's like me taking a rock to the beach when I kitesurf in order to prevent shark attacks. No sharks have attacked me yet so I guess the rock is doing it's job! PM me if you would like to buy the rock off me.


Don't sell your lucky charm..

Business idea - break rock down into smaller pieces.. More product = more profit Remember, keep the biggest piece for yourself


OR... I could start a rock breeding program and keep the Stud rock for myself! This doesn't require me to break my rock. Only problem is I hear rocks can be tricky to breed in captivity... I better get him a good looking rock to mate with...


That's a much better idea! A bit of perseverance required but I like your thinking...

wldistel
QLD, 91 posts
31 May 2012 9:44PM
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I take a vending machines with me. I get lots of looks and its a **** to get out of my boot but iv never had a shark bite.

I really hate sharks, all sneaky like! I don't trust em, they look shifty

wldistel
QLD, 91 posts
31 May 2012 9:46PM
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I know, a rock vending machine!!

Im gana be rich, filthy rich I tells ya!!

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
31 May 2012 7:58PM
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yeah mean mothers them venders, ive never seen a shark or lion attack one

Luther
84 posts
31 May 2012 8:37PM
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IanR do tell why he's an idiot ? His choice and as he suggest he's had no problem with using one, why so much angst against him ?

Flying High
NSW, 217 posts
31 May 2012 11:18PM
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This will always be reviewed every season.

If you are educated about the risks of a leash and you feel comfortable go ahead.
When I was learning I started with lessons in flat water with no waves, rips or tidal currents. I was happy not to have a leash.

When I progressed to that next early and somewhat marginal stage in surf, river mouths etc, I was struggling and a leash was a good "safety blanket" for me to get to the next level.

I got advice and the shop I bought the inertial reel leash from wouldn't sell a leash without a helmet. I respected that and bought the helmet and leash and used both without any dramas. Maybe I was fortunate.

When I went to my next stage of riding - a surfboard I was concerned again, not because of my lack of ability body dragging etc, I was concerned about loosing my surfboard and injuring someone else. I didnt want to use a leg rope as it is more dangerous than the inertial reels I used when learning on a twin tip.
I chose not to use one but I didnt use the surfboard if there were lots of people in the surf, I would use the twin tip instead.

I choose not to use a reel these days because I feel comfortable without one and I still am dictated by the crowd whether I use a surfboard or not.

thorn
WA, 172 posts
31 May 2012 10:00PM
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IanR said...

Thorn I've been kiteboarding since 2000
I'd like to refer you to this website http://www.kiteboardleash.com/
A good Freind of mine was nearly scalped by a reel Leash in 2004
I'll try and get a photo of the damage for you tomorrow
Please don't call me a liar
You are an idiot for using a leash


I had a look at the site but I think it is someone trying to sell Go Joes, hence the negativity towards leashes, after all you wouldn't buy a GoJoe if you had a leash. I'm sure you do have a friend that was nearly scalped but you did say that you knew of at least 50 people hurt by leashes. I know a few people that have been hurt trying kite loops as I'm sure you do too but would never suggest that they be banned.
I think at the end of the day it is a personal choice. I'm happy whether anyone uses them or not.

Neptune
WA, 189 posts
31 May 2012 10:29PM
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Rudebeef said...

Are shark numbers on the rise?


Yes they seem to have risen in WA. There has been an unusual amount of shark sightings this year and several attacks too, some fatal. Beaches have been closed several times.

However even though it seems that there have been a lot of sightings, I wonder if it is because the coastguard now uses a helicopter and several other new technologies to actually find them. Maybe these amounts have been here for years but we just didn't know about it.

beefarmer
WA, 328 posts
31 May 2012 10:43PM
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i think what he's getting at is there is not a lot of scientific evidence that shark numbers are on the rise... e.g. a recent dept. of fisheries attempt to tag great whites resulted in zero sharks being tagged... though people seem to be seeing more sharks this year, it could be there's more people in the water, not more sharks

or maybe a bit of both, that's my guess.

crossed my mind though to keep things fair, if we were to cull lots of sharks because their numbers are increasing, we should also start culling a few people. and vending machines.


Plummet
4862 posts
1 Jun 2012 2:48AM
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How about you sacrifice a goat to the wind gods each session? chuck it in the water several km away from your flying site. that should keep the sharks interested.

Ps of course vending machine numbers are on the rise. Theres no demand for vending machine door flap soup in asia is there!

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
1 Jun 2012 8:53AM
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Breaking News!
Vending machine attach

Baps
21 posts
1 Jun 2012 8:01AM
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My wife and I both used retractable leashes when she started kiting and had no problems. It helped heaps with saving time to get on the board.

The picture above just makes the argument for a helmet more valid imo.

wldistel
QLD, 91 posts
1 Jun 2012 10:22AM
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KIT33R said...




Breaking News!
Vending machine attach


OMG OMG OMG When good veding machines go bad!!!! Im getting ride of George "thats what i call him". But what about the sharks and the icy cold cokes?

JimJones
QLD, 237 posts
1 Jun 2012 10:41AM
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Shark numbers, attacks and perceived risk......

Please look up "Availability bias", for example here:

. www.wisegeek.com/what-is-availability-bias.htm

As well as the "Illusion of control", such as here:

. www.sciencedaily.com/articles/i/illusion_of_control.htm

.....

But the killer is, even being aware of my/your biases, know that its nigh impossible for you to overcome them.



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