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Safety First - let's learn from our mistakes!

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Created by kiterepublic > 9 months ago, 2 Aug 2013
kiterepublic
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2 Aug 2013 1:40PM
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Safety Notice: Let's learn from our mistakes!

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Click here for full report... www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/1028-kite-surfer-rescued-in-brighton.html


OK... so I think we can all agree that this is totally unnecessary and horrible for the Kiteboarding world and all the kiters that would like to be able to continue doing what they love doing in their spare time.

SO... what's the solution?

Firstly... this is what lesson are for!

If you were thinking you'll just get a mate to teach you, or that you'll just pick it up as you go... remember this article, AND LEARN FROM IT!!!

Self rescue, understanding as well as practice is an important part of kiteboarding. Not only knowing HOW to do it confidently, but also WHEN to do it can mean that no matter what situation you are in, you can generally get out of it.

In the situation this 41 year old man in Brighton found himself in there are 2 options for him...

1. If the wind is at an angle between cross shore and onshore then a normal self-rescue will do the job. This means using the safety to get to your kite, and then keeping the kite inflated and using the 'land' side of the kite like a sail to bring you back to shore.

2. If the wind swings cross-off or offshore then you may need to do a self-rescue with full packdown so that you can paddle your kite back against the wind with minimal size so you don't get pushed back out to sea. Remember once you do this you will be much harder to see.

Either way, you must make sure your struts are always closed off when you are going out to kite just in case.

Letting the kite go should never occur unless you are being dragged dangerously with power and can not gain control. Remember... if you do let the kite go then make sure you call 000 or marine rescue to report that you are ok, but your kite is loose on the bay (with rough co-ordinates). This way they will not have to begin a search and rescue operation, just recover the kite.

If you are unsure on any of these procedures, or you are looking for lessons, make sure you contact KITE REPUBLICon (03) 9537 0644 or email info@kiterepublic.com.au

To see more 'Safety Learning Experiences' please click the link below...

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Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
2 Aug 2013 2:41PM
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I guess you should have read this thread before making a load of half witted assumptions.....www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Police-rescue-kite-surfer-off-Brighton-Beach-VIC/

eppo
WA, 9733 posts
2 Aug 2013 1:02PM
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Ha ha ha ....now that is just plain funny! Doh

kiterepublic
VIC, 203 posts
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2 Aug 2013 4:06PM
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Paul1 said..

I guess you should have read this thread before making a load of half witted assumptions.....www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Police-rescue-kite-surfer-off-Brighton-Beach-VIC/


cheers for the link, hadn't seen that one. There's another one here too... www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Victoria/Brighton-kiteboarder-in-trouble-late-yesterday/

not sure what assumptions you are talking about?

Anyway guys... if you're not 100% on your self rescues or what you would do in this situation make sure you make it along to one of Kite Republic's 'Safety First Clinics'...

the next one will be August 10th, 11am to 1pm at the Kite Republic School on St Kilda West Beach.

Info here... www.kiterepublic.com.au/?option=com_content&view=article&id=519%3Akr-safety-first-self-rescue-clinic&catid=3%3Aevents&Itemid=22

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
2 Aug 2013 4:16PM
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I don't understand the red thumbs, ok he pointed out that a few incorrect stuff about James incident. But fck sake the man is only trying to help prevent further incidents.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
2 Aug 2013 3:20PM
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I don't understand the red thumbs, ok he pointed out that a few incorrect stuff about James incident. But fck sake the man is only trying to help prevent further incidents.


It looks more like a plug for his own business. Twice. Especially since there are two other threads on it.

Plummet
4862 posts
2 Aug 2013 3:48PM
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Yes using a accident to promote his own business.

lostinlondon
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2 Aug 2013 6:14PM
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Yes using a accident to promote his own business.


C'mon - it's not like anyone died or was seriously injured from this incident. And the clinics Chris is promoting are FREE, so it's not like he is profiting from someone's misfortune.

Gorgo
VIC, 5104 posts
2 Aug 2013 6:24PM
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lostinlondon said..

.... the clinics Chris is promoting are FREE, so it's not like he is profiting from someone's misfortune.


Where does it say that? If he wanted to offer a free clinic why didn't he just say "Come to a free clinic on how to self rescue."?

Found the link. It took a bit of searching.

www.kiterepublic.com.au/?option=com_content&view=article&id=519%3Akr-safety-first-self-rescue-clinic&catid=3%3Aevents&Itemid=22

picker
VIC, 431 posts
2 Aug 2013 6:25PM
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oi. don't get all upset about promoting a business. We should be more worried about our sport getting banned from locations and kites in trees/powerlines.

Either way, don't be affraid to call 000 that's what the service is for. You won't get a fine or a bill unless the air ambulance hauls you in and takes you to hospital. Either way, just tell them your name is Tony Abott then.

If thing's go wrong the service men and women are there and always happy to help. Its what they train for and look forward to.

If your new to the sport, been taught by a mate, or just a but dusty, get on down for a free lesson and get your saftey 100%. Then have a plan B and C when things go wrong.

I cross the bay lots by myself. Have a mobile in a bag, light, flare, Epirb etc in my PFD and accept the risk in things go wrong. No need to be a cowboy but take the adventure when its there. If you ever want to join me look me up.

Big thanks to Chris for all his hardwork and effort.


*have no financial interest in the sport.

doonas_r_cool
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2 Aug 2013 7:24PM
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kiterepublic said..

Safety Notice: Let's learn from our mistakes!
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Click here for full report... http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/1028-kite-surfer-rescued-in-brighton.html


OK... so I think we can all agree that this is totally unnecessary and horrible for the Kiteboarding world and all the kiters that would like to be able to continue doing what they love doing in their spare time.

SO... what's the solution?

Firstly... this is what lesson are for!

If you were thinking you'll just get a mate to teach you, or that you'll just pick it up as you go... remember this article, AND LEARN FROM IT!!!

Self rescue, understanding as well as practice is an important part of kiteboarding. Not only knowing HOW to do it confidently, but also WHEN to do it can mean that no matter what situation you are in, you can generally get out of it.

In the situation this 41 year old man in Brighton found himself in there are 2 options for him...

1. If the wind is at an angle between cross shore and onshore then a normal self-rescue will do the job. This means using the safety to get to your kite, and then keeping the kite inflated and using the 'land' side of the kite like a sail to bring you back to shore.

2. If the wind swings cross-off or offshore then you may need to do a self-rescue with full packdown so that you can paddle your kite back against the wind with minimal size so you don't get pushed back out to sea. Remember once you do this you will be much harder to see.

Either way, you must make sure your struts are always closed off when you are going out to kite just in case.

Letting the kite go should never occur unless you are being dragged dangerously with power and can not gain control. Remember... if you do let the kite go then make sure you call 000 or marine rescue to report that you are ok, but your kite is loose on the bay (with rough co-ordinates). This way they will not have to begin a search and rescue operation, just recover the kite.

If you are unsure on any of these procedures, or you are looking for lessons, make sure you contact KITE REPUBLICon (03) 9537 0644 or email info@kiterepublic.com.au

To see more 'Safety Learning Experiences' please click the link below...



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Thanks Chris & Kite Republic....

Yes Chris Sal, I read his report on what happened.

Summary - Kiting, in conditions that he was comfortable with, with a well researched forecast
and understanding of weather systems in Port Phillip Bay, within a range of the beach he was confident
he could swim back to.

Wind died, couldn't relaunch.
Happens very often in Melbourne, happened to me and to friends and fellow kiters many times,
in fact, there are many people in this awesome kiting community that have either been rescued or rescued
a fellow kiter because of this or similar incidents.

What he did...
Tried to self rescue, during this process, lost contact with his kite, gust came, kite went. It happens.
He then made the call to not chase the kite, but to swim to shore.

Meantime... authorities had been notified that a kiter was in need of assistance.

Authorities picked him up close to shore.

Everything he did was correct. He got unlucky with the gust, but made the correct call to leave the kite drift
further offshore and swim back in. Again he was within his range of the beach.

Chris, your life as a kiter is far more important than a kite.

Key points
Know how to self rescue properly,
Kite within your limits,
Kite with a buddy,
Keep an eye on changing weather situations,
Your kite floats & is highly visible, if you find yourself further out to sea
than you can swim in, in offshore conditions, stay with your kite, don't deflate
any part of it, or undo lines, wrap your flagging line first, then get the kite on it's
back, use the floatation and start the slow swim in with your kite, or just chill
and hope that the people that you have notified you are going kiting with notify the
authorities or the kind people on the beach who see you floating away call for help.

What did come from this was the police asking kiters to label their kites & boards with names and phone numbers & driver license numbers, that way if ditched & found, the authorities can ring and confirm that the person associated with found gear is ok.

Sensationalizing headlines to promote your brand is bad practise, doing it under the guise of running a free clinic is cheap, low and **** form, but I guess so is teaching beginners in gusty offshore conditions.

Awesome you are running a free clinic, good to see Kite Republic putting back into the sport. I highly recommend people practise ALL their safety systems regularly especially Self Rescuce.

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kiterepublic
VIC, 203 posts
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3 Aug 2013 2:44AM
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doonas_r_cool said...
kiterepublic said..

Safety Notice: Let's learn from our mistakes!
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Click here for full report... http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/1028-kite-surfer-rescued-in-brighton.html


OK... so I think we can all agree that this is totally unnecessary and horrible for the Kiteboarding world and all the kiters that would like to be able to continue doing what they love doing in their spare time.

SO... what's the solution?

Firstly... this is what lesson are for!

If you were thinking you'll just get a mate to teach you, or that you'll just pick it up as you go... remember this article, AND LEARN FROM IT!!!

Self rescue, understanding as well as practice is an important part of kiteboarding. Not only knowing HOW to do it confidently, but also WHEN to do it can mean that no matter what situation you are in, you can generally get out of it.

In the situation this 41 year old man in Brighton found himself in there are 2 options for him...

1. If the wind is at an angle between cross shore and onshore then a normal self-rescue will do the job. This means using the safety to get to your kite, and then keeping the kite inflated and using the 'land' side of the kite like a sail to bring you back to shore.

2. If the wind swings cross-off or offshore then you may need to do a self-rescue with full packdown so that you can paddle your kite back against the wind with minimal size so you don't get pushed back out to sea. Remember once you do this you will be much harder to see.

Either way, you must make sure your struts are always closed off when you are going out to kite just in case.

Letting the kite go should never occur unless you are being dragged dangerously with power and can not gain control. Remember... if you do let the kite go then make sure you call 000 or marine rescue to report that you are ok, but your kite is loose on the bay (with rough co-ordinates). This way they will not have to begin a search and rescue operation, just recover the kite.

If you are unsure on any of these procedures, or you are looking for lessons, make sure you contact KITE REPUBLICon (03) 9537 0644 or email info@kiterepublic.com.au

To see more 'Safety Learning Experiences' please click the link below...



www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151445856565957.1073741838.81220095956&type=3


Thanks Chris & Kite Republic....

Yes Chris Sal, I read his report on what happened.

Summary - Kiting, in conditions that he was comfortable with, with a well researched forecast
and understanding of weather systems in Port Phillip Bay, within a range of the beach he was confident
he could swim back to.

Wind died, couldn't relaunch.
Happens very often in Melbourne, happened to me and to friends and fellow kiters many times,
in fact, there are many people in this awesome kiting community that have either been rescued or rescued
a fellow kiter because of this or similar incidents.

What he did...
Tried to self rescue, during this process, lost contact with his kite, gust came, kite went. It happens.
He then made the call to not chase the kite, but to swim to shore.

Meantime... authorities had been notified that a kiter was in need of assistance.

Authorities picked him up close to shore.

Everything he did was correct. He got unlucky with the gust, but made the correct call to leave the kite drift
further offshore and swim back in. Again he was within his range of the beach.

Chris, your life as a kiter is far more important than a kite.

Key points
Know how to self rescue properly,
Kite within your limits,
Kite with a buddy,
Keep an eye on changing weather situations,
Your kite floats & is highly visible, if you find yourself further out to sea
than you can swim in, in offshore conditions, stay with your kite, don't deflate
any part of it, or undo lines, wrap your flagging line first, then get the kite on it's
back, use the floatation and start the slow swim in with your kite, or just chill
and hope that the people that you have notified you are going kiting with notify the
authorities or the kind people on the beach who see you floating away call for help.

What did come from this was the police asking kiters to label their kites & boards with names and phone numbers & driver license numbers, that way if ditched & found, the authorities can ring and confirm that the person associated with found gear is ok.

Sensationalizing headlines to promote your brand is bad practise, doing it under the guise of running a free clinic is cheap, low and **** form, but I guess so is teaching beginners in gusty offshore conditions.

Awesome you are running a free clinic, good to see Kite Republic putting back into the sport. I highly recommend people practise ALL their safety systems regularly especially Self Rescuce.

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Hi Paul, as per fb thread hope you can make it along and help people learn from and further prevent these incidents...

Hi Paul, thanks for your take on the event. There were some good constructive points you bought up amongst that write up. It would be nice if you feel like coming along and helping others learn and consolidate the specific role of self rescue and full pack down for the different safety systems in different scenarios in kiteboarding.

It sounds like you have had some experience with both successful and unsuccessful self rescues during your kiting. It's good to help people not only learn the specific routine for their specific safety systems, but also to learn what can go wrong if specific parts are performed incorrectly, as obviously can and has happened from most experienced kiters along their learning paths. The more we can minimize the mistakes the better for all of us.

Hopefully nobody else will have to make the decision of whether to swim after their kite or not.

We are running a free clinic from 11am to 1pm on Saturday, August 10th at the Kite Republic School on St Kilda West Beach on this topic.

If you would like to join us and share some of the correct and incorrect experiences you have had and have seen from others as an experienced kiter you would be warmly welcomed.

Look forward to seeing you there :)

juggler
VIC, 243 posts
4 Aug 2013 9:24AM
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Good work Chris,
And your right, after about 5 years of kiting I never had to do a self rescue. One night sitting there on YouTube and found myself watching a self rescue video, sure enough that week had a line snap on me about 500m offshore at Brighton. And I was back in shore in no time, felt like 5 mins but was probably 30!
It felt like instinct, it was clear in my head what to do with my lines & used my kite as a sail.

If you've never had to do it go & have a lesson or watch some of the videos online.

dafish
NSW, 1654 posts
4 Aug 2013 11:07AM
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In my opinion you are not an independent kiter until you can perform a self rescue. It has to be automatic. You often only have a few seconds to deal with the situation and then react. If you haven't had any misfortunes then you should practice so it is automatic. We had a situation in the bay this year during a big southerly swell and great wind. There were four of us out when the wind shifted and dropped off to a light offshore. Three of us did full packdowns, I was about 1 nautical mile out on a big tack when it happened. I was back on the beach in 50 minutes. One guy freaked out and had to be rescued. Could of avoided the chopper and boat had he reacted immediately. He was only 200 meters out when his kite fell out of the sky and started drifting out to sea. Big lesson for him.
Again, this has been mentioned, but I will reiterate it one more time. NEVER go out further than you are prepared to swim. Period.

kiterepublic
VIC, 203 posts
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10 Aug 2013 8:11PM
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juggler said..

Good work Chris,
And your right, after about 5 years of kiting I never had to do a self rescue. One night sitting there on YouTube and found myself watching a self rescue video, sure enough that week had a line snap on me about 500m offshore at Brighton. And I was back in shore in no time, felt like 5 mins but was probably 30!
It felt like instinct, it was clear in my head what to do with my lines & used my kite as a sail.

If you've never had to do it go & have a lesson or watch some of the videos online.



True juggler. It's easy to think it'll be fine when it happens and because someones a good kiter that they'd be fine, but it's another thing all together when put in the situation having never done it.

As was shown during the accident mentioned above, James is a solid kiter, he knew how to do the self rescue and performed the first 3/4 of it fine, just 1 lapse in concentration by disconnecting the kite to himself led to this situation where news channels and national newspapers from the sounds of things blew it out of all proportion.

Was great to get 20-30 kiters out there practicing this morning and learning exactly how to perform a self rescue with each different type of safety system.

Pics and a little wrap here if interested :)


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Thankyou to everyone that made it along this morning and consolidated and tidied up their knowledge on safety systems, self rescue procedures, and which situations to use these in with KITE REPUBLIC owner and IKO International Kiteboarding Organization Examiner Chris Sal.

It's great to see so many kiters of varying experience levels getting out there and improving their knowledge on safety.

Thankyou to Craig Brandie, Michael Dunphy, Thomas Branse and the rest of the crew for coming along and helping out.

If you have any questions or need clarification on anything in regards to safety, please email chris@kiterepublic.com.au and he will be happy to answer any of your questions

Looking forward to the next KR SAFETY FIRST Clinic that will be in early October.

See you in the water soon!







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