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Right of Way in Perth surf(Euro folks pls read)

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Created by getfunky > 9 months ago, 22 Jan 2008
getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
22 Jan 2008 12:48PM
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Hi folks,

The old vexed qusetion of right of way rears it's head again.

I have noticed City Beach getting pretty crowded (well relatively anyhoo) lately.

The rule for RoW as far as I know is starboard tack has priority. This is fine until you get into a situation where you have gone into the waves in shallow water and are attempting to turn so as to exit and get back out again and there is some eager beaver right on your tail thinking I have RoW cause i'm starboard... Great plan genius but where is the 1st kiter supposed to go? Up into the dunes maybe??? [}:)]

I have had a few near misses lately (nothing to get too worked up about as I usually play it safe and abort if there is likely a squeeze for space). However I have seen this scenario played out to others at CB more times in the past few weeks than in a couple of seasons combined.

I had a quick chat to a couple of guys that I saw doing this several times recently. There were Austrian lads and were ok with the suggestion to give way to those coming out of the surf. They were from a flatwater background and had only been in town a week or two. No-one had mentioned the bad form in cramping the kiter in the surf before.

For the record I usually give way to anyone leaving the surf zone (port tack) and on the open water return to the starboard priority. I pretty much expect the same also. For most folks this is fine. Every now and then some water hog comes along but such is life. It is just not smart at all to sit behind someone with nowhere to go.

Anyone else find similar happenings this season??

kitecrazzzy
WA, 2184 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:00PM
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your going back out through the zone?

trevor1
WA, 598 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:02PM
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After counting to 10 many times ...

... the word is "anyhow"

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:03PM
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Find this all the time especially if you are at Pinnaroo , which I don't kite at ,just blow through to Mulla's on a down winder but , yea mate it's bloody shocking , and some of these guys are right idiots , I usually play it safe also , and abort or sometimes try and point my tack so theie brains maybe engage

Are the right of way rules being taught by instructors properely , I wonder?
As I have had a few friends start up and they have not been taught any rules!!!!

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:01PM
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kitecrazzzy said...

your going back out through the zone?


Yes.

CB is not a 'one break' location, so there is not a zone as such. There is piddly little waves all along.

The day I chatted to the two tourists one was repeatedly following a kiter in right behind them. The 1st kiter would be almost on the shore, flip their kite around to head back out only find a bloke steaming straight at them and go "holy mofo!!!" and radically swing their kite back toward land/punters etc. [}:)]

I watched this for about 30 mins and was surprised the tourists hadn't put it together that they were causing stress for the kiters they were stalking, as the shocked stalkees were stacking, losing boards, getting dragged up into the shallows and generally not happy. On that day there wasn't even more than 6 kites up, and plenty of free space, which made it even weirder to be putting either party into a nowhere to go situation.

The two guys were competant/intermediate kiters and very receptive. Especially after a gentle suggestion they were likely to encounter very aggressive kiters if they kept at this habit. They just had been used to very crowded spots (so probably didn't think they were in anyone's comfort zone) and flat water.


PS trevor1: Anyhoo is a bad habit picked up from a lovely Canadian ex-flame. I'm sure it is not as bad as turning to find you have a stalker gunning you down Now go take a laxative...

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
22 Jan 2008 5:34PM
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mmm, Canadian beavers... (anyone else seen that Molsons ad?)

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
23 Jan 2008 11:27AM
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When in such a situation surely a cranked downloop speed run downwind and a tight jibe will get you out of it?
try it next time.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:06PM
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Just lurve your new look Reli man...and where did you get those shades? They are just so cool.....hope it is windy today, yesterday wasn't too bad but I put up too big a kite so was overpowered but jumps were good.

My only advice is to use your friggen head when out there, look before you do anything...don't assume anyone knows anything................assume that THEY KNOW NOTHING. And every once in a while something does happen, but that is really is not too often given how many kites are out there these days.

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:08PM
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My new look is a tribute to Cory. He's my new special hero.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:11PM
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I couldn't slap him very far, but I do love the sound of the slap.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:15PM
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poor relative said...

When in such a situation surely a cranked downloop speed run downwind and a tight jibe will get you out of it?
try it next time.


Ummm, I am so lame that I still have never watched a kite DVD and haven't tried a downloop either... I also have only ever tried missionary and didn't get laid until 36...

Ok that last bit is a crock but I am lame (and I hate being stalked) [}:)]

RobinFuel
WA, 15 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:58PM
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Well it is not only the Euros that have to watch out.
A few weeks ago some guy with a Flexifoil (Red/green/yellow) cost me 2 lines int the break at city/floreat beach. Just said sorry and went on with his downwinder. If you are reading this, you owe me a set of lines dude.
This guy was on my ass all the time and when it went wrong he was so close behind me that our kites hit because his kite was above mine.
Just give eachother room, especially in the surf, is that so hard?
Robin

posko
WA, 179 posts
23 Jan 2008 1:06PM
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going in to bat for one Euro mate at CB. this is becoming a very busy set up beach for downwinders and we all love the place. and some guys just like to kite there and not go down wind... each to their own.

now the guy i'll back here is some what different from all of us... he's visually impaired to point he see his own kite at a clouded blur.... FREAK OUT BLIND MAN KITING HOW DANGEROUS... wait up he can do s bend to blind can you? i have talked to him about being cautious when approaching the beach and he is doing all he can...
so if this is the guy stalking you fret not he leaves Sunday.

cheers and good wind and happy kite communities.
Pos

jan
WA, 1119 posts
23 Jan 2008 6:07PM
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poor relative said...

When in such a situation surely a cranked downloop speed run downwind and a tight jibe will get you out of it?
try it next time.


i second the downwind turn and gybe

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jan 2008 6:13PM
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WTF??

I have been on the wrong end of the flexidude couple of times (flexiguy not really giving way on the starboard or port). Just figured he wasn't a real sharing kinda guy. Not major close calls and nothing life threatening just a bit of lost ground. Like I said I usually give ground rather than lose a limb (especially if on a downwinder what is the point?) but seriously if he is that badly sighted - good skills or not - then he is quite a liability to all around him.

I don't want to be the bloke that says you can't play in the sand pit but crikey, if he doesn't even realise he has rooted someone's kite then that is not acceptable. Hmm tough one, kinda glad he is splitting town though...

Anyhoo hope some of our Euro friends have read this thread at least so there is a bit more awareness of the surf protocol.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jan 2008 6:21PM
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Oh BTW the worst offenders I have seen were the 2 Austrian blokes. It wasn't occassional, more it was almost every run into shore it was happening.

The good thing was whilst one chap was on the beach I was able to point out what the other bloke was doing to him as he did it twice whilst I was avin a chat. The poor bugger getting stalked both times was spewing though...No dramas and the Austrian guys both seemed to take it onboard well.

I did mention if they had been doing that all day at Brighton they may have sampled a famous Aussie knuckle sambo (no onions thanks) or at least been conversant in colourful coloquialisms by the end of the day..

Maybe it was the fexidude copping the stalking and he had no idea anyhoo!!!

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
23 Jan 2008 6:31PM
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Learn to downloop, as it could be argued that they are on the wave and have right of way.
downloop hard, go downwind fast your out of the way then.
Win Win
You get out of the way, guy behind enjoys his wave.
Simple eh?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jan 2008 6:42PM
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poor relative said...

Learn to downloop, as it could be argued that they are on the wave and have right of way.
downloop hard, go downwind fast your out of the way then.
Win Win
You get out of the way, guy behind enjoys his wave.
Simple eh?


PR it might be one of those had to be there things but the stalker guy was following the 1st guy in about 20m behind at most andf not really upwind either, more right behind. There was not even room for the poor 1st bloke to do anything but swing kite kite hard over land (wqatch out punters) and bail from his board!

This is not on any way you like to to look at it. If the 1st guy had stacked, turned or even farted there was trouble brewing... It is obviously always good to have a look before turning but i suspect 90% of Perth riders would not have expected anyone that close on their butt.

Now I know some consenting guys do like to spoon - and that is fine - but i like just one bod in my harness and that is mine! The Austrian dude was like a spandex ballhuggers - too close for comfort.

kitecrazzzy
WA, 2184 posts
23 Jan 2008 11:45PM
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[ridiculous suggestion]
is it possible your not assertive enough? if your not a beginner you may be well trained in the art of kite fighting, the idea is to put your kite in a position that gives no risk to your kites well being yet could chomp the other kite to pieces. [or just take the wind out of the canopy and make it fall out the sky]
once your kite control is down to the extent that it is easy for you to do it can be your favourite weapon in the battle for air supremacy
[/rediculous suggestion]

RayQ
WA, 635 posts
24 Jan 2008 12:58AM
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Not that BIG spanish girl giving u trouble again?

CAUTION
WA, 1097 posts
24 Jan 2008 10:38AM
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RobinFuel said...

Well it is not only the Euros that have to watch out.
A few weeks ago some guy with a Flexifoil (Red/green/yellow) cost me 2 lines int the break at city/floreat beach. Just said sorry and went on with his downwinder. If you are reading this, you owe me a set of lines dude.
This guy was on my ass all the time and when it went wrong he was so close behind me that our kites hit because his kite was above mine.
Just give eachother room, especially in the surf, is that so hard?
Robin


just like to note there are a few rasta flexi's ATM, me being one. Couldnt have been me in your case Robin as i wasnt in town, but must say if the kite on ur aviator is the one you use (the red, white and blue fuel) you were doin some booya kiteloops on tuesday between floreat and the drainpipe.
Looked sick!

Yeh it is getting very buusy, and i admit we all get a little excited when racing down the line of the 1-2 footers. We just need to keep an eye out for each other, which I think was the original intent for this post.



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