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Retractable leash

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Created by deXtrous > 9 months ago, 1 Jan 2010
moon waxing
WA, 310 posts
2 Jan 2010 11:54PM
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OK I don’t really want to spend time on this subject as it comes up every few months, if you can’t be bothered to use the search function or you may just be trolling but I am genuinely concerned you think it wouldn’t be a problem because you’ve thought it through.

For your information the link to the picture of a lady



(it's difficult to tell as it's such a mess) with her mouth smashed in was done using a reel leash.

I can speak from experience in my early days I used a reel leash until the leash got wrapped around the unit, disabling any “safe” retractable operation, sending the board over my head missing it by inches.

No one's holding a gun to your head, go do it but don’t speak authoritatively that there will be no problems.

bjw
QLD, 3685 posts
3 Jan 2010 7:23AM
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When I was learning the guy in Balmoral Boards told me NOT to buy a leash when I went into the store to buy one.... I bought one and used it for about 2 weeks.

Moon waxing. That photo..... ewww

Cezar
VIC, 270 posts
3 Jan 2010 12:29PM
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Id like to offer diffrent point of view on the subject .I see great benefits of having every single kook on the leash.
The benefit is 2fold, 1stly its the foolproof way to recognize someone who has very limited idea what he/she is doing when I see those people at my local I keep awaaaay, its much better way than looking for a cabrinha kite in the sky, sometimes it may be misleading coz some real kiteboarders might also ride cabrinha.
2ndly, there is no doubt that in most cases its faster to recover a board on the leash so you have less kooks body dragging backwards and forwards blocking your way, many of them can bodydrag to some degree but are simply too lazy or perhaps just want to have more FUN on the board as the guy who started this topic put it so let them have FUN and if in the process they loose some body parts so be it.
Long live the retractable leash!!!!

pynnee
WA, 164 posts
3 Jan 2010 10:27AM
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all you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face. the one thing we all have over use is experience. either learn from our mistakes or learn from your own. if you decide to learn from your own then we will know we tried and sleep very easy at night. prob alot easier then you when you are woken up every 2 hours by a nurse checking on you.

Taurus
VIC, 189 posts
3 Jan 2010 2:24PM
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pynnee said...

all you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face. the one thing we all have over use is experience. either learn from our mistakes or learn from your own. if you decide to learn from your own then we will know we tried and sleep very easy at night. prob alot easier then you when you are woken up every 2 hours by a nurse checking on you.


Few people have actually put forward their experience, I have used the search function and have found the same thing, everyone says its a no-no however few share their experience with the leash and often those that do share a 3rd person account (a photo doesn't tell the full story either), therefore its no surprise we try to argue the point because all we have is our own experience to go by.

With responses like 'you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face' I feel that either some are a bit brainwashed against the leash or are elitist (like skateboarders that don't wear helmets to look cool). Just because someone is new doesn't mean they are stupid (not yet competent yes) we will understand if you actually explain your personal experience rather than yelling leash = devil, we reach out to the community and all we get is comments like the above user, hospital food is good and nurse checking on you every 2 hours.

The only person I have seen share their experience is djdojo. Newbies have just made an investment of ~$3000 and are worried about losing $900 of that while progressing to a level of competence.

Yes I know I'm a newb, so no need to point that out to me again.

MellowYellow
WA, 23 posts
3 Jan 2010 1:02PM
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I USE A OCEANUS REEL LEASH!!! [}:)]

There, I've said it. I used it as a beginner, and I used it last season as a slightly more experienced kiter, and I'm using it again this season too

I love it, and at no time has it tried to kill or maim me

I don't consider myself a beginner any more - I can body drag if I need to, stay up wind, go toe side, jump a little, carve a turn, ride a swell - but I'm certainly no expert. I learn a little each time I go out, and nothing in my kiting experience so far has turned me away from using my leash.

Yes, I've had a few stacks where I've lost control of the kite and it has whipped me straight out of the water again, and the board has been at the full extent of it's leash, but there is no elasticity in the leash so the board did not want to 'ping' back to it's attachment point - me!

There has been a couple of occasions where my leash has been a real bonus :

One of these times my kite has somehow managed to invert and get tangled in the lines, to the point where I have not been able to re-launch it and have had to drift into shore. I did not have to worry about hanging onto my board because it was on the end of my leash, all safe and secure and not heading off down the beach somewhere. It was one less thing I had to worry about.

The other time was when I went out and the wind dropped to the point where I just couldn't re-launch the kite easily. I spent a bit of time drifting down wind whilst trying to get the kite back up in the air. Once again, didn't have to worry about where my board was, and could focus all my energy on getting the kite up again. Got the kite up, reached back and grabbed my waiting board, and off I went.

One kiting spot I sometimes use has a very narrow beach for rigging, and the water is quite shallow for a fair way out. The launch is done from the water. I simply attach my board to my leash, get my bar and wade on out to my launch position, my board trailing along beside me. Kite is launched and my board is right there next to me, not drifting down wind or sitting back on the shore. It also works well when you come in. Just step off the board, land the kite, disengage your rig and walk into shore with your board trailing along after you. Sweet

To the guy who says the leash is good because he can see it and keep well away from the user because it signifies he is a noob and obviously incompetent - fantastic! I'm happy to have plenty of room on the ocean, and feel no shame in displaying my leash to all and sundry. Stay well away from me, I don't care. Whisper and point at me with your cool friends. Once again, don't care. Maybe it's an 'age' thing

Just about everything in life is a choice, and you make your choice based on information you gather, both positive and negative. You weigh up the risks against the benefits, as you see them, and base your decision on that. Everyone is different, and what is a high risk to one person may be seen as a very low risk to someone else. Whatever choice we make, we must be prepared to accept the consequences of that choice.

My attitude to my leash might change if I start to do more jumping, but for now, I wouldn't be without it

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
3 Jan 2010 1:10PM
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Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
3 Jan 2010 3:41PM
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I should know because I'm a noob.

pynnee
WA, 164 posts
3 Jan 2010 2:25PM
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vbold said...

pynnee said...

all you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face. the one thing we all have over use is experience. either learn from our mistakes or learn from your own. if you decide to learn from your own then we will know we tried and sleep very easy at night. prob alot easier then you when you are woken up every 2 hours by a nurse checking on you.


Few people have actually put forward their experience, I have used the search function and have found the same thing, everyone says its a no-no however few share their experience with the leash and often those that do share a 3rd person account (a photo doesn't tell the full story either), therefore its no surprise we try to argue the point because all we have is our own experience to go by.

With responses like 'you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face' I feel that either some are a bit brainwashed against the leash or are elitist (like skateboarders that don't wear helmets to look cool). Just because someone is new doesn't mean they are stupid (not yet competent yes) we will understand if you actually explain your personal experience rather than yelling leash = devil, we reach out to the community and all we get is comments like the above user, hospital food is good and nurse checking on you every 2 hours.

The only person I have seen share their experience is djdojo. Newbies have just made an investment of ~$3000 and are worried about losing $900 of that while progressing to a level of competence.

Yes I know I'm a newb, so no need to point that out to me again.


when I was beginning I used a leash because I was dumb enough not to get lessons and there for didn't know. I used the leash for almost a whole season with out getting hurt. last time I used it I came off and was fine. when I thought I had everything under control I tried to pull my board in using the leash and as I did, my kite pulled me out of the water and the leash acted as a giant lackey band.the board hit me in my back and sliced my back open through my wetty. if it had of hit me an inch to the left on my spine I don't know if I would have been paralysed or what. that was with a 9 foot leash. that's my experience, I'm sure there are alot worst out there. hence the reason why MOST experienced people are so dead set against leashes. like I said in my last post, our advice is there and if you choose to ignore it, its up to you. but if almost every experienced rider out there thinks it is such a dangerous thing and they feel compelled to warn you about it maybe there is a reason behind it. good luck with what ever path you choose...

KiteNutt
QLD, 280 posts
3 Jan 2010 4:48PM
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Here's my personal experience....

Board leash = Kook

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
3 Jan 2010 6:21PM
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pynnee said...

vbold said...

pynnee said...

all you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face. the one thing we all have over use is experience. either learn from our mistakes or learn from your own. if you decide to learn from your own then we will know we tried and sleep very easy at night. prob alot easier then you when you are woken up every 2 hours by a nurse checking on you.


Few people have actually put forward their experience, I have used the search function and have found the same thing, everyone says its a no-no however few share their experience with the leash and often those that do share a 3rd person account (a photo doesn't tell the full story either), therefore its no surprise we try to argue the point because all we have is our own experience to go by.

With responses like 'you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face' I feel that either some are a bit brainwashed against the leash or are elitist (like skateboarders that don't wear helmets to look cool). Just because someone is new doesn't mean they are stupid (not yet competent yes) we will understand if you actually explain your personal experience rather than yelling leash = devil, we reach out to the community and all we get is comments like the above user, hospital food is good and nurse checking on you every 2 hours.

The only person I have seen share their experience is djdojo. Newbies have just made an investment of ~$3000 and are worried about losing $900 of that while progressing to a level of competence.

Yes I know I'm a newb, so no need to point that out to me again.


when I was beginning I used a leash because I was dumb enough not to get lessons and there for didn't know. I used the leash for almost a whole season with out getting hurt. last time I used it I came off and was fine. when I thought I had everything under control I tried to pull my board in using the leash and as I did, my kite pulled me out of the water and the leash acted as a giant lackey band.the board hit me in my back and sliced my back open through my wetty. if it had of hit me an inch to the left on my spine I don't know if I would have been paralysed or what. that was with a 9 foot leash. that's my experience, I'm sure there are alot worst out there. hence the reason why MOST experienced people are so dead set against leashes. like I said in my last post, our advice is there and if you choose to ignore it, its up to you. but if almost every experienced rider out there thinks it is such a dangerous thing and they feel compelled to warn you about it maybe there is a reason behind it. good luck with what ever path you choose...



This thread was not intended to be a debate on whether or not current board leashes are safe. It was a thread to discuss new ideas to better the board retireval system. You seem to have gotten a bit lost.

People are always going to use leashes so rather then say, "Hey f'ing kooks', why not try to make the concept work?

Majority of you guys only offer useless critisism. Nothing helpful. Pretty weak.

njamo
WA, 28 posts
3 Jan 2010 4:39PM
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Have a look at this - report of a death in taiwan apparently caused by leash. As th e others have said, sooner or later things will go very pear shaped kiting and another factor like a board leash is the last thing you need.

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2349521&start=0

mantis5
QLD, 159 posts
3 Jan 2010 6:52PM
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KiteNutt said...

Here's my personal experience....

Board leash = Kook


TRU DAT BRO!

holden
WA, 42 posts
3 Jan 2010 5:18PM
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Board leash = lack of knowledge . Its a shame shops sell them .

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
3 Jan 2010 7:25PM
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deXtrous said...

pynnee said...

vbold said...

pynnee said...

all you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face. the one thing we all have over use is experience. either learn from our mistakes or learn from your own. if you decide to learn from your own then we will know we tried and sleep very easy at night. prob alot easier then you when you are woken up every 2 hours by a nurse checking on you.


Few people have actually put forward their experience, I have used the search function and have found the same thing, everyone says its a no-no however few share their experience with the leash and often those that do share a 3rd person account (a photo doesn't tell the full story either), therefore its no surprise we try to argue the point because all we have is our own experience to go by.

With responses like 'you newbs can argue the point till your blue in the face' I feel that either some are a bit brainwashed against the leash or are elitist (like skateboarders that don't wear helmets to look cool). Just because someone is new doesn't mean they are stupid (not yet competent yes) we will understand if you actually explain your personal experience rather than yelling leash = devil, we reach out to the community and all we get is comments like the above user, hospital food is good and nurse checking on you every 2 hours.

The only person I have seen share their experience is djdojo. Newbies have just made an investment of ~$3000 and are worried about losing $900 of that while progressing to a level of competence.

Yes I know I'm a newb, so no need to point that out to me again.


when I was beginning I used a leash because I was dumb enough not to get lessons and there for didn't know. I used the leash for almost a whole season with out getting hurt. last time I used it I came off and was fine. when I thought I had everything under control I tried to pull my board in using the leash and as I did, my kite pulled me out of the water and the leash acted as a giant lackey band.the board hit me in my back and sliced my back open through my wetty. if it had of hit me an inch to the left on my spine I don't know if I would have been paralysed or what. that was with a 9 foot leash. that's my experience, I'm sure there are alot worst out there. hence the reason why MOST experienced people are so dead set against leashes. like I said in my last post, our advice is there and if you choose to ignore it, its up to you. but if almost every experienced rider out there thinks it is such a dangerous thing and they feel compelled to warn you about it maybe there is a reason behind it. good luck with what ever path you choose...



This thread was not intended to be a debate on whether or not current board leashes are safe. It was a thread to discuss new ideas to better the board retireval system. You seem to have gotten a bit lost.

People are always going to use leashes so rather then say, "Hey f'ing kooks', why not try to make the concept work?

Majority of you guys only offer useless critisism. Nothing helpful. Pretty weak.




The critisism is there to save your stupid ass from decapitating yourself, calling it weak and nothing helpful makes you sound like someone who is not prepared to learn to bodydrag upwind to save your board. Stop being a little princess and finally realise there is no SAFE leash. Board leash + Kite = serious injury or death. WAKE UP !!!! Maybe you could call up the boys at Star Trek and see if they can lend you one of those beem me up thingy's to get you back to your my little poney board.

theDoctor
NSW, 5785 posts
3 Jan 2010 8:29PM
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mantis5 said...



TRU DAT BRO!


........ quick someone get this guy a reel leash

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
3 Jan 2010 8:43PM
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Once again for the blind knobs like paul (no offence mate!) this was only a thread for discussion of improving the system, not whether I should use one or not. I don't use one. I don't intend to use one (unless a better one is made!)

Hard concept to grasp, I know mate. It's all right

Beersy
TAS, 753 posts
3 Jan 2010 9:46PM
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deXtrous said...

Once again for the blind knobs like paul (no offence mate!) this was only a thread for discussion of improving the system, not whether I should use one or not. I don't use one. I don't intend to use one (unless a better one is made!)

Hard concept to grasp, I know mate. It's all right




I don't think typing no offense (correct spelling) changes the fact that that was an insult and a stupid thing to write. Apart from that you started a disscussion about board leashes and asked for peoples opinions on improving them. Most people have said DON"T USE THEM. There is no way to improve them that doesn't involve attaching the board to yourself with a length of line/rope. Regardless of distance or wether it is on a reel this will be dangerous. SO maybe take that advice and stop wasting your own time on imagining a new way to injure people.

mantis5
QLD, 159 posts
3 Jan 2010 9:09PM
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theDoctor said...

mantis5 said...



TRU DAT BRO!


........ quick someone get this guy a reel leash


Doctor.. I dont need no leash!

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
3 Jan 2010 10:43PM
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Beersy said...

deXtrous said...

Once again for the blind knobs like paul (no offence mate!) this was only a thread for discussion of improving the system, not whether I should use one or not. I don't use one. I don't intend to use one (unless a better one is made!)

Hard concept to grasp, I know mate. It's all right




I don't think typing no offense (correct spelling) changes the fact that that was an insult and a stupid thing to write. Apart from that you started a disscussion about board leashes and asked for peoples opinions on improving them. Most people have said DON"T USE THEM. There is no way to improve them that doesn't involve attaching the board to yourself with a length of line/rope. Regardless of distance or wether it is on a reel this will be dangerous. SO maybe take that advice and stop wasting your own time on imagining a new way to injure people.


We live in Australia. The correct spelling is offence, but it goes both ways. It's shameful when you try to school people and it bites you in the ass isn't it? :)

I insulted him as he had insulted me. This whole thread I have been civil and I've gotten attacked several times. I have only been trying to fuel food for thought. As I said twice before, people will always use leashes. Rather than disregard them, why not try to better their safety as a kiter? The statement 'there is no way to improve them' is completely ignorant. There is always room for improvement in any sort of situation.

Anyway, this thread has turn to **** so no further replies needed. Feel free to lock it.

myes myes
WA, 223 posts
3 Jan 2010 8:28PM
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You need to learn to take advice of people clearly more educated then yourself.

PLEASE come to grips with it. Leashes will never be safe.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
3 Jan 2010 11:38PM
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There's another thread at the moment on the safety leash. Kiting would be a lot safer without using them......for us. And would inherently get the sport banned. Experienced kiters would rather not attach themselves to a potential projectile....period.

Hardcarve1
QLD, 550 posts
4 Jan 2010 6:32AM
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For my two cents worth, I agree you should not have one and these are the reasons why from 11 years of kite boarding experience.

The surf board leash is the most deadly due to it building up so much energy allowing the board to get up to some serious speed. I found the waiting time for it flying back to be the horror, you feel the load go light and wait in silence with your head down as low as possible and time slows down. Then out of curiosity you just have to put your head up for a look only to hear the board whistle a few millimetres by your ear. It didn’t take long to work out this is not a nice place to be so we dumped them. I saw some very ugly wounds caused by broken leashes with the skin being opened up completely and the kiter shown the way to emergency.
Next came the rope which was just dandy, no problems with this system sending the board in the back my head. Things that pissed me off were how the rope tangled up and got in the way, the sudden shock load on the ankle after the big crash and yes we did try tying it to our harness but it was just as bad. The thing that really got me goat was it snapped my 6’2” 2002 RRD directional. All others were on Stonkers and it made me look good.
Then the reel leash which looked like the answer even though they didn’t last long and still put some serious load on the harness.
Then back in 2004 we saw the light and removed our leashes and walked free, it’s like walking on a nudist beach for the first time you think everyone’s watching.

But 99% of kiters know this already. Lets start another thread about helium in kites.

Jimmy Blunt
NSW, 39 posts
4 Jan 2010 7:51AM
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What about a Bikini-Leash?



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