Hey Guys,
I am look at possibly getting a replacement for my 9m Delta shaped kite, prefereably one that is faster turning and quicker through the window with medium to light bar pressure. Primarily used with a surfboard.
I don't want to remorgage the house either. I have a 7m kite that I really enjoy and want to replace the 9m with something that would compliment it, say something like a 10m or a really fast 11m. I get going nicely in the 7m around 20knots on a surfboard, so ideally a kite for say 12 to 20knots.
The Noise looks like an option, number one it designed for the surf, 2 its priced right and 3 as far as I understand it unhooks nicely which is what I want to get into. The other option is the same make as my NEW 7m.
Any other recommendations?
Cheers
Rich
Give the 10m Naish park a try,gotta be one of the fastest pivot kites i've ever flown it rocks ,awesome unhooked,ultra stable great range its not a delta but its a phenominal kite,deltas dont make as good unhooked kites as c/hybrids
if you're not wanting to break the bank, why not get a used Vapor or two ??
picked one up for $400 recently, hardly used !!
Wainman Smoke perhaps, maybe a Core GTS or superseded GT or sumthin along those lines. Never heard a bad word about those delta shaped kites.
Edit: Just thinking after typing that you'll probably be hard pressed to find a second handy as not many seem to part with them.
Hey Richswing,
I would recommend the Airush Lithium 10m if you are strictly on a delta diet but I would check the Airush Varial 9m if you feel that you will decide to unhook more than 20% of the time.
Demo em, if you are in WA it shouldn't be hard to find.
Cheers,
Schmidy
For unhooking on waves the 8m noise
they are sized down so the 8 feels like a 10
ozone c4 is the one for you
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing/Kites/~bblwx/2010-Ozone-C4-9-metre.aspx?search=UGQv7FO8Cy0%2bRRJQykK3vQ%3d%3d
look this is a blatant pimp but this puppy gives max thrust and boost (A bit bigger than a 9 tho)not sure about in the waves tho ,perhaps a bit slow in the turns
I'm pretty sure this baby comes without the troublesome trent 900
BTW I would consider the less expensive Best Kahoona or Griffin Argo both second gen and proven unlike the trent 900 and either unlikely to disappoint
The 8m bws definitely has the power of your average 10m so for those considering the option go size down. I sure wish I did!
Thanks guys for the advice, I would like to demo some gear but your recommendations look good. I have mixed emotions about the BWS and Best kites.
I may not have explained myself correctly, I want to replace my delta but not necessarily with a delta. They have their pro's like more power etc but their centre of gravity seem to be a bit too forward and tend to luff a bit (my experience).
I have always liked the shape of the Vapours, RPM's and NEW OS kites with the wider wingtips for faster steering and they tend to float a bit better.
Looks like some good gear is about but the Jumbo does not do it for me, too expensive maintenance costs.
Cheers
Rich
^ andrash does have a point, shame it's held so late in the season though. Only thing is out of all the kites I tried at kitestock last year the one that was fasest turning with the best drift was probably the NEW anyway (besides the kites that I was flying).
Don't be put off deltas by the way your delta flies I think most these days are way better balanced.
Every larger kite will feel slow compared to the NEW 7 so you will prob have to change your technique a bit regardless of what brand eg I believe the BWS is designed to be flown with the bar fully in (ready for unhooking) but when out is a bit slower. Still a damn good kite I am sure but may take a little while to get the feel for compared to your little mosquito.
Er.. Rich I know you are pretty stoked with your NEW kite - is the new NEW 9.5m alibi an option?
Everything New is new, but I think you knew that I knew about the new NEW too didn't you too. Phew!
What is your opinion on this?
Unless I have a thick bank account my next kite to a 7 should be a 10 minimum, or probably 11. Otherwise there is too much overlap (between a 7 and a 9). My rule of size quiver: ((little baby)+50%)+50%). Translate it to something reasonable: my present quiver is 6-9-13. The 13 is far too big (for me) for waves. So if budget matters my 2 kite quiver would be 6-10 or 7-11. They may not need to be the same style: I like a tame 6, but a wild 11. And I would have 2 boards: one for more power and one that needs less (larger-more volume; and smaller-less volume). What do you think?
Hey Andrash I wouldn't bet a house on overlap between a 7m and 9m.
I would have thought too much overlap with my 9m and 7m kites (both the same brand/model) yet there is a fairly big gap in range.
I have always felt my 9m is more like a 10m (he he maybe Ben stole the design like the SS stripes on the BWS kites) and my 7m is really more like a 6m. It really does feel like a 4m size diff but on the panels it's 7m and 9m.
All brands fudge the sizing a little (or a lot) so they can boast about 'great low end' or 'turning speed' when it is really a size larger/smaller than most comparable kites in the displayed size.
Best bet is to try both on a day where the wind sits 'between' the ranges of the 2 sizes. Pretty tricky tho.
Rich is it safe to assume the 7m NEW kites bottom end is not that of a more bow-ish 7m and more like a traditional C 7m? Maybe a 10m bow/delta/[insert snappy marketing terms here] is the largest you want to go?
Hey Guys,
Getfunky you knew me to well (is that right??), the Alibi 9.5 is an option but where can we demo them?? (Nate come to the party). I would prefer a 3 strut kite to keep the weight down.
I love my 7m but I have noticed the guys riding the NEW kites are either pulling too much backline and pinching the wingtips or maybe it is how the larger sizes look or maybe they fly forward enough so stalling the kite creates more lift, I don't know.
I have not tried many smaller kites out but I reckon I could get going on my 7m alot earlier than 20 knots because you can work it so fast, once the you board speed is up it motors along.
Like Andrash pointed out 
, I have not demoed any kites since 2009 Kitestock and then I only tried one because I did the mammoth downwinder that wiped me out. This year I am there 
.
I have tried to tell my wife that my old 9m kite is bad for my health because the last time I used it I pulled something in my should that felt like a bunch of springs going off and now I have this tingling and numb sensation in my left hand palm and fingers. That was a week ago but saying that I generally have a bit of discomfort in the left arm every time I use a kite with heavyish bar pressure.
I agree with the overlap issue Andrash but my only concern is loosing responsiveness in the kite, I think the magical number for any kite is below 12m, any bigger and it is tooo slow for surfing.
Ideally I would like a kite light enough and responsive enough to work from 12knots to 20knots and I really think the less struts the better to keep the weight down.
Definitely want ot star unhooking, being natural it would really open up my moves.
Oh yea, NEW is having a sale on, two kites for the price of one, does anybody want to go halvies 
???
Cheers
Rich
I've got a 7m GT & a 10m Bandit 3, both 2010. The GT in particular in the higher wind range is an exceptionally well balanced and reliable kite. All the riders at our spot have had a ride and their opinions are the same. Great freeride and wave kite. Easy upwind even at the lower end of its range. Flies forward into the window or something like that 
I love the Bandit 3 on the lighter days, such a fun and forgiving kite but can boost you high as well, and it holds easily up into the higher end of the wind range when you really should be thinking about going in and pumping up a smaller size. I've heard the 9m GT is just as good as the 7.
both Delta open C shaped, almost impossible not to relaunch due to the shape of the kite. I sound like I'm pimping but i have just really enjoyed both these kites. the Core GT I bought kite only from Kitepower and it was under $1000.
I've got a Noise 8m too, its not really a delta more of a hybrid bridled like a REV, great in the waves but maybe not what you are after.
Hope that was useful :)
Hey Rich,
Woops I havent been looking here the last little bit.
Yes the kites were on special last week. 2 4 1.
The closest kite to the 7m OS is the 9m OS. Lemon and lime colours in stock.
The 9.5 ALIBI looks like an OS but it tuned differently. Its more of a freestyle kite.
But after saying that I often use the 9.5 in the waves on a wave TT in 18.6 knots (light wind). Its good cause depowered it travels around the wind window like the OS and allows you to crack the white water on reeling point style breaks. (It doesnt just fall out of the sky depowered like some other rags do)
Using the 9.5mALIBI a couple weeks ago, I learnt 3 new stella tricks in the waves. Sweet ones too, Troppo recons one is a taka and the others ??
