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Pump harder, faster.

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Created by alverstone > 9 months ago, 14 Jun 2016
alverstone
WA, 533 posts
14 Jun 2016 12:59PM
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This isn't rocket science, but has any manufacturer made a double-cylinder pump for faster inflation ... for a kite?

(Stands back and waits for innuendo, smut and not-so subtle allusion to hard-banging times .)

But seriously, is there a multi-cylinder pump on the market?

Greenarrowz
NSW, 301 posts
14 Jun 2016 5:17PM
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JamesGibbons
53 posts
14 Jun 2016 4:21PM
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This is one of my old SUP pumps. Just stuck a kite nozzle on the end and it pumps up my kite twice as fast as my old one

kitcho207
NSW, 865 posts
14 Jun 2016 8:31PM
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It's just the fact that the bigger surface area of the piston/s in the pump, you will have more flow BUT you won't get as much pressure. Force = pressure x area

Peahi
VIC, 1481 posts
14 Jun 2016 8:42PM
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kitcho207 said..
It's just the fact that the bigger surface area of the piston/s in the pump, you will have more flow BUT you won't get as much pressure. Force = pressure x area


On that basis then you would want a pump that is skinny (pressure=Force/area) smaller area = higher pressure, I always use the pin prick example, a pin prick has very high pressure because of small area.

Hence why proper bike pumps are tall and skinny to get 120psi up to 200 but using a bike pump to pump a kite would take forever!

Pumping up a kite is more about air volume than pressure so large air flow is more important, but I think inflatable SUPs would require more pressure than kites.

gesper
NSW, 518 posts
14 Jun 2016 9:06PM
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Greenarrowz said..






How long did that take ya to make up , top idea

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
14 Jun 2016 9:13PM
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teabaggin said...
Greenarrowz said..






How long did that take ya to make up , top idea


Personally not sure about that. My back hurts just thinking about pushing 2 pump pistons up and down. Prefer an Island battery pump for sure. Cheers Billy.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
15 Jun 2016 1:36AM
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Is there anything gaffa tape cant do ????

Plummet
4862 posts
15 Jun 2016 3:40AM
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lotofwind said..
Is there anything gaffa tape cant do ????


Apparently not

alverstone
WA, 533 posts
15 Jun 2016 3:15PM
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JamesGibbons said..



This is one of my old SUP pumps. Just stuck a kite nozzle on the end and it pumps up my kite twice as fast as my old one


Finally, a reason to take SUP'ing seriously .

Will be dropping by one of their shops to see if they sell these, as I can't be arsed cutting, glueing and gaffer-tapping.

I will have to be in disguise though ... .

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Transition_Surf
SA, 286 posts
17 Jun 2016 12:37PM
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wmfg.co/products/wmfg-kiteboard-pump-2-0t

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
17 Jun 2016 2:03PM
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I've got one of those

Kozzie
QLD, 1451 posts
17 Jun 2016 4:34PM
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people are going to be banging down my door to get my aboriginal themed condoms. bumps and stripes painted on them for texture,

go faster and longer with the woomera!

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
17 Jun 2016 9:07PM
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Kozzie said..
people are going to be banging down my door to get my aboriginal themed condoms. bumps and stripes painted on them for texture,

go faster and longer with the woomera!







Swavek
WA, 394 posts
17 Jun 2016 11:11PM
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Bought this pump on ebay but would not have bought it if I had a chance to hold it in my hands and examine it first. Not worth $100 ($79 plus $20 shipping). It is listed on every website as 10" diameter pump - can't believe so many places reviewed it and nobody corrected this error. 10" is over 25 cm - the pump diameter is the same as any other kitsurfing pump (about 11 cm). It is just a bit taller, great, but why does it cost so much more? 15 cm longer aluminium rod and plastic pipe? That is probably $3 more in materials.

A stiffer hose might be a good idea compared to many flimsy hoses that kink and crack but the hose has a threaded end on the pump side. Need to rotate the hose 3-4 times to connect it to the body of pump - rather useless idea (given the hose is quite stiff), standard twist connector would be much better.

I cut off the end of the supplied leash (piece of rope with pathetic plastic clip) and tied to it the end of my old ozone pump elastic leash (now can stretch the leash slightly and put it over the pump handle to hold it together with the body of pump, not just a dangling piece of string that gets in the way). Supplied twist lock nozzle is slightly different than standard twist nozzles - it popped off a couple of times when I was pumping my kite as it was a bit loose compared to the standard twist connector.

Nozzles supplied loose in a fabric bag - used a piece of string to tie all the ones I needed for my kites to the end of hose (good that the nozzles at least have an eye to be tied to a string).

On the plus side:
It is taller so more comfortable to pump
There is a bit of extra volume, so you would pump your kites a bit faster (30% or so)
There is a small removable plug that makes the pump work in the downstroke only (easier to get good pressure towards the end of pumping)
Hopefully the pressure gauge built into handle is a reasonable quality and will last for a while (time will tell)


Overall, great idea to make a better than average pump but it needs improvement. It would not be hard to come up with a better pump for less money or much better pump for the same money (hope other suppliers should be on board soon).

I guess part of it is the suppliers are not really interested in selling a quality product that would last - stuff needs to break so we can be charged again for 'spare parts' or be forced to buy another one.

pearl
NSW, 984 posts
18 Jun 2016 3:15AM
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I have the WMFG as well and the hose is a total failure. I am going to have to remake it somehow. The connectors just pop off the end with the slightest pressure. I think the tall skinny SUP pump is easier, hence faster, but I question the reliability of them all!

EastCC
QLD, 356 posts
18 Jun 2016 6:51AM
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Other manufacturers are already on it for some time now. Looks the same different colours.

oceanrodeo.com/product/big-pump/?v=7516fd43adaa
$89AUD
Have been using this for a while now, no issues yet.
If you're a shorter person then I think a regular pump is better as you end up only using half of the stroke, fully extended it is quite high.
It does pump the kite with less pumps due to the bigger stroke/volume.

No issues with the hose. The guage works fine and seems to be consistent but I only use it as a guide.

I like the pump and use it all the time.
My mate doesn't and uses a standard sized pump.

Swavek
WA, 394 posts
19 Jun 2016 9:06AM
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Ocean Rodeo pump looks exactly like the one I have. Is your hose quick disconnect or threaded connection to the pump?

EastCC
QLD, 356 posts
19 Jun 2016 5:13PM
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Swavek said..
Ocean Rodeo pump looks exactly like the one I have. Is your hose quick disconnect or threaded connection to the pump?


Quick connect

spot1
WA, 1588 posts
19 Jun 2016 6:46PM
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Why pump harder and faster just pump smarter buy an electric pump



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