G'day all,
does anyone know the projected area of the Ozone Edge 19m??
Thanks for your time,
Robbie 
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
G'day all,
does anyone know the projected area of the Ozone Edge 19m??
Thanks for your time,
Robbie
what do you mean by the projected area?
I'm 100% sure I will not be able to answer your question, just interested. Never heard anyone talk about projected area before..
Sure, from a conventional 3-dimensional perspective it's gonna be about 15m2. Retailers and the like are obliged to tell you that to avoid lawsuits over existential quandaries and global interagency investigations. However, though I probably shouldn't, I can tell you a bit more than that.
All Ozone kites are just the 3D manifestations of portals between pan-dimensional realities; that some of them happen also to function well as kites in our conventional reality is just a happy coincidence.
In this specific example, by bending the space-time continuum, Ozone have been able to achieve a projected area of 21.36 square metres with only 19 square metres of cloth. Another way of saying this is that the Edge is actually a 5-dimensional kite.
You mean to say the stated size of a kite might not actually be its actual sail area? 
Select to expand quotedjdojo said..
Sure, from a conventional 3-dimensional perspective it's gonna be about 15m2. Retailers and the like are obliged to tell you that to avoid lawsuits over existential quandaries and global interagency investigations. However, though I probably shouldn't, I can tell you a bit more than that.
All Ozone kites are just the 3D manifestations of portals between pan-dimensional realities; that some of them happen also to function well as kites in our conventional reality is just a happy coincidence.
In this specific example, by bending the space-time continuum, Ozone have been able to achieve a projected area of 21.36 square metres with only 19 square metres of cloth. Another way of saying this is that the Edge is actually a 5-dimensional kite.
Whats he's trying to say is that he's been niibling on magic mushrooms......
Select to expand quoteChris6791 said..
You mean to say the stated size of a kite might not actually be its actual sail area?
Damn, that's a bit like that Slingshot rep who, when asked on kiteforum.com why the 2012 12m RPM was just a tiny bit bigger than the 10m, replied that SS sizes their kites depending on how they feel and not based on their physical size.
So, along those lines, instead of buying a 911 Turbo, you might as well buy a Holden Barina, take out the windscreen and remove the muffler and save a lot of money because I bet it's going to feel as fast as the 911. 
Select to expand quotedjdojo said..
Sure, from a conventional 3-dimensional perspective it's gonna be about 15m2. Retailers and the like are obliged to tell you that to avoid lawsuits over existential quandaries and global interagency investigations. However, though I probably shouldn't, I can tell you a bit more than that.
All Ozone kites are just the 3D manifestations of portals between pan-dimensional realities; that some of them happen also to function well as kites in our conventional reality is just a happy coincidence.
In this specific example, by bending the space-time continuum, Ozone have been able to achieve a projected area of 21.36 square metres with only 19 square metres of cloth. Another way of saying this is that the Edge is actually a 5-dimensional kite.
Nice....
... some funny answers here boys, cheers, not very helpful but funny none the less !
I know there is alot more to it but as I understand it, projected area can be described generally as the area a kites shadow would cast if parked at 12 o'clock, with the sun directly overhead. And generally if you have more area to catch the wind, or more projected area, the more parked power its gunna have, roughly speaking that is. Over the years I found, the bigger the projected area of a kite, the better pull it has, especially to get my monster arse going.
So when I tried an Edge 19m, then jumped on my 18m Dyno, the Dyno had more static power and it got me wondering if the projected area had any bearing on what power it had. I know if you can swing a kite like an anvil, you can generate power but I'm lazy and want to park it.
Anyway, I couldn't find anything on the net so I thought I throw it out to the peanut gallery to see if anyone would know.
So,,, does anyone know for sure????
cheers again,
Robbie
Robbie I'd say it is a function of aspect and hence what conditions you were in. The edge is in the end even higher in aspect than the Dyno. Hence if you pull that bar in and really lean into your rail, the edge will shoot more forward in the window, while the Dyno won't do this to the same degree. Hence you get that static grunt you are talking about. This static grunt is very handy when you are kiting in currents (tidal for you) and swell.
I have been flying mainly the Zephyr (lower aspect than the edge) and the 8m cat lately (much much lower aspect than the edge) and yesterday got out on the edge. Some swell about..and yeh the lack of static grunt is prevalent. But get off your rail a bit, let the edge breathe and then off she goes at speeds much higher than either of those kites above could generate. Yeh the edge is more technical in that respect.
Hence I reckon the edge at your weight in those tidal currents you get..may not be the best option. Hence why I understand you have been looking into the fuse, makes sense. But 16m...not big enough probably.
Caught between a rock and a hard place hey.
Tell ya a kite that is high aspect, does boost and does offer static grunt is the Liquid force NRG. Solid canopy to, good grunt yet efficient. Look into them...and they drift better than the edge, dyno, rebel, fuse and even the Cat for gods sake. (Not as good as the reo, but what is?), bit slow on the turn but hey so are the high aspect Dynos and edges.
Seriously look into them, I reckon it could be a really good option.
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
So when I tried an Edge 19m, then jumped on my 18m Dyno, the Dyno had more static power and it got me wondering if the projected area had any bearing on what power it had. I know if you can swing a kite like an anvil, you can generate power but I'm lazy and want to park it.
Nice analogy Robbie, but if your swinging an anvil you're doing it wrong
How many kites have you got this week Eppo, surely half the second-hand kites at the Perth shops are your trade-ins? :)
ozone stopped publishing aspect ratio and projected area some time ago. its a bit of a bummer because i like to know also.
Your right the greater the projected area the more power.
Eppo also right. high aspect kites have less grunt static. But once aparent wind kicks in they have more power if you can give them decent board speed.
Nope I still have the edge etc...just like to ride a heap of kites to see what they are like. The NRG is one particular kite that impressed me and knowing robbie and what he is looking, for I think it could be a decent fit.
Had some epic sessions on the zephyr, that baby is staying right put in my shed. Just love it! The edge is the edge. The cat is perfect on a TT in the surf..had a couple of great sessions this week. Nah pretty settled...if anything, I'd love to add something like a 10m NRG to my quiver for boosting and wave play...but not sure I can justify it....mmmmm
Projected area refers as above the area of the kite looking straight up at it in flight or in other words the area that's actually functional catching the wind I would also guesstimate it at around 14-15 sqm ,but you still can't compare projected area head to head as it also comes down to the aspect ratio and the efficiency of the wing ,all these factors are going to impact the end result of power output ,but it would be handy if manufacturers gave out these details like in the old days.
^^^^ yep I agree.
My old 2011 Dyno is different in that its high aspect and in conjunction with its huge leading edge, doesn't sit too far forward so it has good static pull when parked, it keeps pulling even when I let it go right up into the wind window. Most, if not all lower aspect kites I've tried sit further back into the wind window so therefore have nice constant power but seem a little harder to get to windward, not as easy as my old Dyno anyway.
These new thin leading edge high aspect kites go upwind great but suffer with being loaded up too much, especially when my heavy arse is hanging off it. When I get a kite thats got high projected area for a given size, its usually going to get me going well when parked but bend and fold when loaded up in a turn/jump or edging hard. I don't like that, if you have it happen to you, you won't like it either, trust me!
Does anyone know what the projected area of the Core XR2 or XR3 19m?
cheers,
Robbie
