Hey guys ive been tryin for a while to get powered kiteloops down. started on a bigger kite in lighter winds now ive been doin them on my 9m in 25ish knots. im still finding the kite isnt quite getting above my head for that super soft landing but other guys have been gettin them perfect on the same day. i probably should of walked up n asked them for a few pointers but didnt. anyway at the moment im waiting till im right near the top of the jump before i pull on my back hand, the kite doesnt always pull me to the hectik superman position but it loops n feels like im swinging on a rope swing lol im just wondering should i be pulling the back hand earlier than near the top of the jump? would this help the kite loop and get back to 12 quicker? some guys seem to loop and get it to 12 so much quicker than when i do it. i tried one the other day without out even jumping (just bringin it to 12 n pullin on the back hand to engage the loop) and it looped real hard n pulled me up in the air like 4 or so meters (although the landing was a hard one). it doesnt seem to do that when i do them while jumping high? ive got the balls and wanna get them down but at the moment my knees arnt gonna last that long.
Select to expand quotekernal said..
your probably using a bow or delta kite, you need a c kite
Not always the case.
The newer North Evos for example loop really nice.
And there are plenty of others
I'm at a similar stage. I learnt to back roll kiteloop before I could do a normal kite loop (still learning normal ones) assuming the jump is high enough the one thousand two thousand count then pull works rather than waiting to be at the top. with the back roll kite loop the timing just comes from being half way round the back roll, you just pull the bar to get the loop of the kite to pull you the rest of the way around.
If you know your kite a.b. or c doesnt matter... in a good gust, pull your loop 3/4 the way up while you have full power..
Thats what speeds your kite back to 12.
When youve got that down.- learn to steer the kite around, not just yank the bar... that gives you powerful horizontal loops where you superman that hard, the lines go slack :o just before you drop like a brick... Oh yeahhhh
Select to expand quoteMatt988 said..
I'm at a similar stage. I learnt to back roll kiteloop before I could do a normal kite loop (still learning normal ones) assuming the jump is high enough the one thousand two thousand count then pull works rather than waiting to be at the top. with the back roll kite loop the timing just comes from being half way round the back roll, you just pull the bar to get the loop of the kite to pull you the rest of the way around.
Yea i learnt backroll kiteloops years ago. they generally only get done a few meters off the water coz if u try boost one its a hectik harsh landing. i can do backloop handplants with a loop and darkslides with a loop but they are more of a downloop than a powered kiteloop.
Select to expand quoteeibwen said..
sheet out after the loop to help get the kite back up to 12 faster.
Yea i already do that. im more interested in the timing of engaging the loop and if it helps get the kite around faster.
Select to expand quoteSaveTheWhales said..
If you know your kite a.b. or c doesnt matter... in a good gust, pull your loop 3/4 the way up while you have full power..
Thats what speeds your kite back to 12.
When youve got that down.- learn to steer the kite around, not just yank the bar... that gives you powerful horizontal loops where you superman that hard, the lines go slack :o just before you drop like a brick... Oh yeahhhh
Yea thats what i wanted to know. ive been waiting till i was right near the top so i had the most air in the hope that it would give the kite more time to get round and back to the top but it doesnt seem to loop as fast when i do that. if i pull the trigher at the 3/4 way up will the power of the loop give me more air? i know that if u pull the bar when ur going up it loops with way more power. ive been running a 9m core riot xr3 when ive been trying them but ive got a core gts3 9m now to which is more of a bridled c shape that turns super fast. so defs need to pull the bar when im 3/4 n on the way up not at the top. ill give that a go next time i got some flat water n 25 knots. i have landed a few nicely but have landed way more not so nicely lol
Select to expand quoteDaineB said..
if i pull the trigher at the 3/4 way up will the power of the loop give me more air?
Its more of a Slingshot effect, as the kite dives - you get thrown upwards slightly on a flatter trajectory angle.
Dont bother with looping unless your kite is fully or overpowered... you just get smacked up for nothing 
Select to expand quote anyway at the moment im waiting till im right near the top of the jump before i pull on my back hand, the kite doesnt always pull me to the hectik superman position but it loops n feels like im swinging on a rope swing lol im just wondering should i be pulling the back hand earlier than near the top of the jump?
exactly that! start pulling WAY earlier and find the right timing. you need maximum tension in the lined before triggering the loop.
Select to expand quoteglasstraxx said..
were you trying these at the pond on sunday?
Yea i did a few on sunday at the pond. wasnt really enough wind though. was a bit underpowered.
Select to expand quoteWoott said..anyway at the moment im waiting till im right near the top of the jump before i pull on my back hand, the kite doesnt always pull me to the hectik superman position but it loops n feels like im swinging on a rope swing lol im just wondering should i be pulling the back hand earlier than near the top of the jump?
exactly that! start pulling WAY earlier and find the right timing. you need maximum tension in the lined before triggering the loop.
Ok cool ill give that a go next time if there's enough wind. thanks
Line tension is key. Although this may sound paradoxical, try loading slightly less (slightly less upwind angle) than normal...this will give you some forward momentum in the direction of travel..which opposes the kite being looped in the opposite direction (equals more line load). This way you face in the direction you are were travelling, then as and only as the loop pulls you through, then face the kite. Or more accurately probably it makes you leave the water a little earlier...
Also if you are looping a kite that's not a full blown C, then try leaving the water slightly earlier...hence the kite is still moving through 12 as you are in the air and commencing the loop (equals line load). So the kite actually doesn't stop moving...goes through 12... then pull the loop.
Say....'jump (your release point), one thousand...pull' Then eventually "release, pull". Remove the one thousand count. Eventually you won't count at all, but at least it quantifies it a bit. Worked for me anyway.
Also as someone said, follow the kite around the loop...don't just 'wang' the bar (equals more consistent line load).
Also...as someone a said be mindful (which is hard when learning when you freak out during the loop) to depower as you come in from the pendulum...
this allows the kite kite to get further over your head, which in turn creates a less powerful and faster downloop to catch you. Instead of the downloop happening in front of you, it happens like a heli loop above your head...and as it shoots well above your head (creates some line load).
If I can loop a 10m rebel in 25 to 30 knots, you can do it as well!
line load.
...and to complete...no matter how hard you try sometimes you just come on super hot. Especially if you are looping in the winds you should be looping in. Land facing straight downwind...landing toeside almost.
Ride it put and be prepared to actually ride it out on your toes, riding the other way you came in...which again works counter to the downloop (hence...you guessed it...line load).
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Line tension is key. Although this may sound paradoxical, try loading slightly less (slightly less upwind angle) than normal...this will give you some forward momentum in the direction of travel..which opposes the kite being looped in the opposite direction (equals more line load). This way you face in the direction you are were travelling, then as and only as the loop pulls you through, then face the kite. Or more accurately probably it makes you leave the water a little earlier...
Also if you are looping a kite that's not a full blown C, then try leaving the water slightly earlier...hence the kite is still moving through 12 as you are in the air and commencing the loop (equals line load). So the kite actually doesn't stop moving...goes through 12... then pull the loop.
Say....'jump (your release point), one thousand...pull' Then eventually "release, pull". Remove the one thousand count. Eventually you won't count at all, but at least it quantifies it a bit. Worked for me anyway.
Also as someone said, follow the kite around the loop...don't just 'wang' the bar (equals more consistent line load).
Also...as someone a said be mindful (which is hard when learning when you freak out during the loop) to depower as you come in from the pendulum...
this allows the kite kite to get further over your head, which in turn creates a less powerful and faster downloop to catch you. Instead of the downloop happening in front of you, it happens like a heli loop above your head...and as it shoots well above your head (creates some line load).
If I can loop a 10m rebel in 25 to 30 knots, you can do it as well!
line load.
...and to complete...no matter how hard you try sometimes you just come on super hot. Especially if you are looping in the winds you should be looping in. Land facing straight downwind...landing toeside almost.
Ride it put and be prepared to actually ride it out on your toes, riding the other way you came in...which again works counter to the downloop (hence...you guessed it...line load).
What would be the minimum wind speed u would be able to do a powered loop in and still have the kite catch you eppo? on ur 10m rebel?
Select to expand quoteDaineB said..eppo said..
Line tension is key. Although this may sound paradoxical, try loading slightly less (slightly less upwind angle) than normal...this will give you some forward momentum in the direction of travel..which opposes the kite being looped in the opposite direction (equals more line load). This way you face in the direction you are were travelling, then as and only as the loop pulls you through, then face the kite. Or more accurately probably it makes you leave the water a little earlier...
Also if you are looping a kite that's not a full blown C, then try leaving the water slightly earlier...hence the kite is still moving through 12 as you are in the air and commencing the loop (equals line load). So the kite actually doesn't stop moving...goes through 12... then pull the loop.
Say....'jump (your release point), one thousand...pull' Then eventually "release, pull". Remove the one thousand count. Eventually you won't count at all, but at least it quantifies it a bit. Worked for me anyway.
Also as someone said, follow the kite around the loop...don't just 'wang' the bar (equals more consistent line load).
Also...as someone a said be mindful (which is hard when learning when you freak out during the loop) to depower as you come in from the pendulum...
this allows the kite kite to get further over your head, which in turn creates a less powerful and faster downloop to catch you. Instead of the downloop happening in front of you, it happens like a heli loop above your head...and as it shoots well above your head (creates some line load).
If I can loop a 10m rebel in 25 to 30 knots, you can do it as well!
line load.
...and to complete...no matter how hard you try sometimes you just come on super hot. Especially if you are looping in the winds you should be looping in. Land facing straight downwind...landing toeside almost.
Ride it put and be prepared to actually ride it out on your toes, riding the other way you came in...which again works counter to the downloop (hence...you guessed it...line load).
What would be the minimum wind speed u would be able to do a powered loop in and still have the kite catch you eppo? on ur 10m rebel?
Honestly probably 20 knots. But getting the downloop back around is hit and miss. Then again the rebel doesn't really need the downloop to land soft, it gets well above your head anyway. But it does keep the kite in front of you if you come in too hot.
But it to be frank if you are serious about loops as obvious as it sounds, the rebels not your answer.
Loops are pretty soft, unless in 25 plus where you get some serious power and height..and you seriously pull not far off of the release, it does lack that real gut punch most look for. But it does other things so I put up with it.
Everythings a compromise and if those marketing wankers try and say otherwise run for the hills.
9m evo in 25 is a sick looping kite, but even that won't give you the yank the hybrid to full Cs will give you.
Be honest best looping kite I've been on is the torch...only naish kite I really liked to be hoenst. But damn that mother bangs through the loop.
I think my core riot xr3 is very similar to the rebel. i really enjoy using it and it does everything really well. i can just go out boost high and have a really cruzey fun session on it. i got the gts3's coz i wanted a faster kite for looping with but i think if the rebel can loop so can the xr3. im pretty sure ive just been engaging the loop too late but ill try on both and see. i just seem to have a bit more fun on the xr3 and every session is a good one. the gts3 does pull way harder on a loop though. ill wait till i got 25ish knots and some flat water to really give them a good crack and try get them perfected. thanks for the help.
I've just started doing powered loops.
20kn on my 12m is my threshold.
i do exactly what eppo said.
send it, take off , one thousand and pull the trigger on 2 thousand!
i had my first session staying upwind (no walk of shame last season..... So if I can loop, anybody can loop. You're either too old, or you're a pussy who should go play tennis!!
one thing I find on powered loops is that I often land toeside or shoulders square.
im guessing it's a technique thing..... But when the kite yanks me I seem to twist my body.
One no of my local rippers is drilling into me-
:shoulders square with kite when starting the loop
: land into your natural shoulder / hip
nearly there!!
loop it or kook it!!
Select to expand quoteRagzilla said..
I've just started doing powered loops.
20kn on my 12m is my threshold.
i do exactly what eppo said.
send it, take off , one thousand and pull the trigger on 2 thousand.
One no of my local rippers is drilling into me-
:shoulders square with kite when starting the loop
: land into your natural shoulder / hip
Shoulder square, land into your natural shoulder, hip...much better way of describing the setup and landing...will borrow that if you don't mind.
Select to expand quoteRagzilla said..
I've just started doing powered loops.
20kn on my 12m is my threshold.
i do exactly what eppo said.
send it, take off , one thousand and pull the trigger on 2 thousand!
i had my first session staying upwind (no walk of shame last season..... So if I can loop, anybody can loop. You're either too old, or you're a pussy who should go play tennis!!
one thing I find on powered loops is that I often land toeside or shoulders square.
im guessing it's a technique thing..... But when the kite yanks me I seem to twist my body.
One no of my local rippers is drilling into me-
:shoulders square with kite when starting the loop
: land into your natural shoulder / hip
nearly there!!
loop it or kook it!!
I was out the other day tryin them on some flat water. was bout 25knots on my 9m riot xr3. was pullin the bar way earlier and it seemed like the go. the kite was nearly above my head so the landings werent that bad. wasnt getting enough time to get a downloop in though. i keep my shoulders square throughout the loop and once the kite starts goin back up to 12 and im swingin on the kite towards the water like im on a rope swing i turn my shoulders n point the board downwind. i havnt tried one on my 9m gts in decent wind yet though. that turns alot faster and pulls way harder on the loop.
I ride fuels so may be different and i don't loop anymore after a good crash.
Like others said you need to be fully powered.
Get as much board speed as you can with the kite low, ease the kite up with the bar sheeted out (this will stop the kite sitting deep) sheet in and drive the kite just past 12 as you would in a normal jump pause and before the apex loop your kite.
When your kite has looped and pointing to 12 sheet out it'll climb quicker and you'll swing in underneath, sheet in for the kite to catch you and drive the kite into a downloop if you're still in the air.
Select to expand quoteNickT said..
I ride fuels so may be different and i don't loop anymore after a good crash.
Like others said you need to be fully powered.
Get as much board speed as you can with the kite low, ease the kite up with the bar sheeted out (this will stop the kite sitting deep) sheet in and drive the kite just past 12 as you would in a normal jump pause and before the apex loop your kite.
When your kite has looped and pointing to 12 sheet out it'll climb quicker and you'll swing in underneath, sheet in for the kite to catch you and drive the kite into a downloop if you're still in the air.
Sounds like a piece of cake haha
