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Perth vs Any Other City

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Created by wishy > 9 months ago, 29 Apr 2013
high as a kite
SA, 1312 posts
2 May 2013 2:05PM
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eppo said...
Yeh western Sydney that's where I'm thinking about moving. Anyone been there and can let us know the good spots?


LOL

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
2 May 2013 12:57PM
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Ah, well, I must be wrong than...

But, hell, one single incident in a Chinese sea and how you'll export to S. Korea and Jap? They might resource it to Brasil than (Vale already making more tonnes).

But this is not a discussion about macro economy and geopolitics...

Perth is the center of the world of comedy atm. Going to see Adam Hills this weekend. Will make my week more exiting.

As per below DIVERSITY is what makes life more interesting.

dafrog
321 posts
2 May 2013 1:28PM
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Eppo, spot on mate.

Lack of reinvestment to deal with the aftermath of the mining boom will be the downfall. reach arab oil countries (Qatar, UAE, Dubai...) are facing the same issue with limited resources generator that will go dry within the next 50 years so they have decided to massively invest in infrastructure to attract knowledge based companies to diversify their economy and profile.

Here the federal government takes 80% of your profits and reinvest close to nothing (in WA) towards diversifying your income sources, instead choosing to spread the wealth in social payouts. The reality is that yes demand for minerals and oil products will not disappear but many jobs in WA are to do with developing new projects, existing projects are run with very few actual employees.

On top of this you have to take in account that you ship the raw products, there is no transformation into finish product here meaning you lose 1000's of jobs and any added value on the finished product. Table that with enhanced competition from Africa and South America where cost of production is much lower and the result is that if demands drops, raw prices will have to drop but costs will remain high.

The end result will be production being stopped and mines closed while foreign mines will increase production, then the companies will ship their hardware to the other areas, lay off staff then the land leased will be blocked as they will retain rights and wait until prices rise again before reopening the mines (this has happened before) meanwhile people in WA will be unemployed, unable to pay high mortgages, bubble will burst and people will be left with nothing of value but used to living above their means.

Someone mentioned Detroit, it's a real possibility that this happens here too. In the end the issue is that WA is making a hell of a profit right now, but most is swallowed by the federal government and not much is reinvested. Every big new project as either been blocked, put on hold or canceled (gaz terminal, water pipeline, deep sea harbors...) while the profits were drained from WA itself...

You guys should be independent from the federal government, you are getting ****ed over big time... I'm sure Queensland, NT and SA would follow you guys into applying pressure for a better restructuring of federal income and spending... No taxation without real representation... At the moment you guys are almost unrepresented because you are underpopulated when compared to NSW and VIC, your voice s unheard because of the fact that in the current democratic system you are a demographic minority despite being the highest income producer...

I come from a place which is similar in that aspect and we have been trying to become independent for years without success... So we keep bowing down to some far away masters that do nothing for us but take our finances. I hope you guys manage to find a way before it is too late and you are left dead in the water by a government so keen to take your money but unwilling to help you when the bad times come.

default
WA, 1255 posts
2 May 2013 1:49PM
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dbabicwa said...
Ah, well, I must be wrong than...

But, hell, one single incident in a Chinese sea and how you'll export to S. Korea and Jap? They might resource it to Brasil than (Vale already making more tonnes).

But this is not a discussion about macro economy and geopolitics...

Perth is the center of the world of comedy atm. Going to see Adam Hills this weekend. Will make my week more exiting.


yeah, I should have said Asia rather than world. India will be a future export market. China demand will be around for some time, just not at the current volumes, but then again it might just be.

The mining "boom" as we have known the last 7-10yrs has peaked no doubt and there will be many job losses (less CUBs - yay). The engineering sector in mining is the first to show signs and the signs are there now but mining will go on (as it always has done).. more like we knew it 10-15 years ago (as far as growth goes) now the big players are looking to change the way they do business - more sustainable, greater productivity.. but whilst all that ore is still in the ground, there will be mining. It is their business after all.

Anyone in the mining game at present has to reassess their position within it and position themselves to be in the long term workforce if they want.. a game of natural selection.

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
2 May 2013 2:31PM
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dafrog said...
Eppo, spot on mate.
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I salute you for your bravery to write the above.

Perth hasn't got that diversity indeed. It definitely lost a chance to become a Hub, other than a mining one.

For sure you do not need to watch a TV all the time. But, I recon that's what a majority of Perth population do. Some read books and play games as well :)

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
2 May 2013 3:13PM
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I mostly agree with Dafrog, in particular about our ever expanding federal government that just cant help itself wading into areas that are not its responsibility. I like the Swiss model where the feds do defence, foreign affairs, national infrastructure etc and leave health, education, police etc to the Cantons. It would remove 100 billion from our fed budget. Swiss federal budget is 1/6th of ours for 1/2 the number of people. And the efficient cantons all charge a lot lower income taxes than we are used to.

Or bugger it, lets just secede. (Im not really a fan of that though)

Pity you didnt get another visa Benoit, maybe you could get into politics and sort the bastards out!

sebol
WA, 753 posts
2 May 2013 3:21PM
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dafrog said...
Eppo, spot on mate.

Lack of reinvestment to deal with the aftermath of the mining boom will be the downfall. reach arab oil countries (Qatar, UAE, Dubai...) are facing the same issue with limited resources generator that will go dry within the next 50 years so they have decided to massively invest in infrastructure to attract knowledge based companies to diversify their economy and profile.

Here the federal government takes 80% of your profits and reinvest close to nothing (in WA) towards diversifying your income sources, instead choosing to spread the wealth in social payouts. The reality is that yes demand for minerals and oil products will not disappear but many jobs in WA are to do with developing new projects, existing projects are run with very few actual employees.

On top of this you have to take in account that you ship the raw products, there is no transformation into finish product here meaning you lose 1000's of jobs and any added value on the finished product. Table that with enhanced competition from Africa and South America where cost of production is much lower and the result is that if demands drops, raw prices will have to drop but costs will remain high.

The end result will be production being stopped and mines closed while foreign mines will increase production, then the companies will ship their hardware to the other areas, lay off staff then the land leased will be blocked as they will retain rights and wait until prices rise again before reopening the mines (this has happened before) meanwhile people in WA will be unemployed, unable to pay high mortgages, bubble will burst and people will be left with nothing of value but used to living above their means.

Someone mentioned Detroit, it's a real possibility that this happens here too. In the end the issue is that WA is making a hell of a profit right now, but most is swallowed by the federal government and not much is reinvested. Every big new project as either been blocked, put on hold or canceled (gaz terminal, water pipeline, deep sea harbors...) while the profits were drained from WA itself...

You guys should be independent from the federal government, you are getting ****ed over big time... I'm sure Queensland, NT and SA would follow you guys into applying pressure for a better restructuring of federal income and spending... No taxation without real representation... At the moment you guys are almost unrepresented because you are underpopulated when compared to NSW and VIC, your voice s unheard because of the fact that in the current democratic system you are a demographic minority despite being the highest income producer...

I come from a place which is similar in that aspect and we have been trying to become independent for years without success... So we keep bowing down to some far away masters that do nothing for us but take our finances. I hope you guys manage to find a way before it is too late and you are left dead in the water by a government so keen to take your money but unwilling to help you when the bad times come.


I love optimistic people.

I'll buy a shovel on my way home and start digging the nuclear shelter for my kids tonight.

ps: I actually agree with most of your statement but choose to ignore it and go kitting instead.

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
2 May 2013 3:59PM
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Dave Whettingsteel said...
I mostly agree with Dafrog, in particular about our ever expanding federal government that just cant help itself wading into areas that are not its responsibility. I like the Swiss model where the feds do defence, foreign affairs, national infrastructure etc and leave health, education, police etc to the Cantons. It would remove 100 billion from our fed budget. Swiss federal budget is 1/6th of ours for 1/2 the number of people. And the efficient cantons all charge a lot lower income taxes than we are used to.

Or bugger it, lets just secede. (Im not really a fan of that though)

Pity you didnt get another visa Benoit, maybe you could get into politics and sort the bastards out!


I'll join on the Swiss wagon and say the politicians in Swiss are not paid. It's a voluntary work (bless our Mayor for her 60k salary - she wants more now like 240k:).

Also, it's interesting you've mentioned that country - Zurich is always on top as the most livable city on the Planet.

Funny tho, a lot of my friends are finding it boring as hell:( Boring like myself:)

default
WA, 1255 posts
2 May 2013 4:17PM
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I haven't been bored since I was a pimply teenager

and I live in Perth

and just got back from this 3.5hrs away



Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
2 May 2013 4:29PM
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default said...
I haven't been bored since I was a pimply teenager

and I live in Perth

and just got back from this 3.5hrs away






I live (well part of the time) at Horrocks, 500kms from Perth, 1 general store and 200 people and the last word I would use to describe my time there is boring! It's all about what hits your buttons I reckon.

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
2 May 2013 4:43PM
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^^^
So why do you discussing Perth than? :)

And this photo proves what? Again, something 3.5hrs off Perth...C'mon guys. Yeah, just made 500 :) Troll:)

default
WA, 1255 posts
2 May 2013 4:54PM
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^ proves nothing, just felt like sharing.. was there 2 days ago (only a short flight away), now sitting at my cbd desk looking out the window reflecting on those left handers. Life is good and maybe you just need a nice holiday

couldnt really give a toss what people think about this place or that place, lived all over the shop and am happy with my life here or there

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
2 May 2013 4:58PM
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default said...
I haven't been bored since I was a pimply teenager

and I live in Perth

and just got back from this 3.5hrs away




Yeah that's awesome. and you only have to spend 25% of your awake time of your weekend driving, and $175 on petrol. That's assuming you have free accommodation.

default
WA, 1255 posts
2 May 2013 5:19PM
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wishy said...
default said...
I haven't been bored since I was a pimply teenager

and I live in Perth

and just got back from this 3.5hrs away




Yeah that's awesome. and you only have to spend 25% of your awake time of your weekend driving, and $175 on petrol. That's assuming you have free accommodation.


thanks man :)

photo's actually uluwatu, not yallingup lol

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
2 May 2013 5:26PM
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^^^
Of course it's Bali, didn't think for one moment...:)

Having a "trip" always helps. Red or Blue? Just kidding.

Here, something 99.99% will never see in a lifetime:




This proves there is a Vulcan in Perth. Or a big mushroom. Not sure which after one

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
2 May 2013 6:59PM
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dbabicwa said...
^^^
So why do you discussing Perth than? :)

And this photo proves what? Again, something 3.5hrs off Perth...C'mon guys. Yeah, just made 500 :) Troll:)

I work in Perth 3 to 5 days a week.... Am I allowed to discuss Perth now big boy?

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
2 May 2013 7:16PM
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On an overall Australian perspective backing my rant before. The CEO of myer has said the disability funding increases through raising the Medicare levy will hurt the retail industry.

well I'm not giving an opinion on how it is funded as this inept government (has there ever been a worse government, a balance of trade beyond anything Australia has ever seen and they still run a deficit what a bunch of drop kicks)

But the fact that this fat ass myer dic providing nothing but increasing our internal cash flow dependence on people buying crap they don't need, to make such a comment in juxtaposition to helping improve the life of people with disability just shows you how ethically twisted we have become. No it's more important those shops keep employing stupid people to sell crap to cashed up stupid people made in other countries where all the real profits go, than to improve the marginalization of people already dealt a crap hand.

What have we become. Myer you can go and suck my wang. Getting rich and fat off a twisted economic system that will eventually rob all of us of our standard of living.

Man I gotta stop listening to the news hey. Does anyone else see the puppet masters at play here. Oh well survival of the fittest I suppose has it ever been different ? History tells us no. Not much hope for these Homo sapiens hey.

Lets just kite till we can't anymore no point in worrying about this crap not what bloody city we live in!!!

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
2 May 2013 8:26PM
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Eppo, I think it was a dum comment but as is usual taken out of context by the media.
His general point was all increases in taxation (such as Medicare increase to fund ndis) reduces people's net income hence reduces how much people spend. Which is a plain fact. CEO of a national retailer should have been more careful for sure.

More importantly who got a kite in after work today? I just had a quickie, but I got 4 days straight last weekend from Anzac Day onwards up at horrocks.... Wooo, love wa!

GD3D
WA, 21 posts
2 May 2013 9:30PM
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You think Perth's boring. Try living in Mandurah.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
2 May 2013 10:12PM
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Dave Whettingsteel said...
Eppo, I think it was a dum comment but as is usual taken out of context by the media.
His general point was all increases in taxation (such as Medicare increase to fund ndis) reduces people's net income hence reduces how much people spend. Which is a plain fact. CEO of a national retailer should have been more careful for sure.

More importantly who got a kite in after work today? I just had a quickie, but I got 4 days straight last weekend from Anzac Day onwards up at horrocks.... Wooo, love wa!




Fair point Dave.

windwatching
WA, 24 posts
3 May 2013 5:56AM
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Boring? Bull****! You blokes need to get a boat! Ever heard of diving and fishing? Wishy, you're a cockhead!

Chris_M
2132 posts
3 May 2013 8:17AM
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From looking at this page, it would seem that spending time on the internet is a popular leisure activity for Western Australians, that and talking about mining, obviously.

No FOMO

daggy
WA, 528 posts
3 May 2013 7:17PM
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Read a good story in last weekends paper about how some of the biggest mines are investing in DRIVERLESS trucks (haul packs) to lower their workforce requirements
Apparently a big success.
So , yes they actually are growing the mines while slashing jobs for bogans!
better enjoy that HSV while you can ,mate!

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
3 May 2013 7:22PM
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That's one of my projects and its not about reducing workforce, it's about maximizing up time and productivity of the trucks.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
3 May 2013 8:18PM
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Heard Clive palmer is gonna run for prime minister. One of his main platforms is to invest in downstream processing so a tonne of iron ore is worth a 1000 times more. He made the point that Japan has as high or higher workforce cost than Australia and yet turn our cheap and more readily available minerals (from other developing countries) into valuable products. someone making some sense for once!

He also said we have two prime minister candidates that have not even run a tuck shop trying to work a multi billion dollar business. Classic!!

dachopper
WA, 1800 posts
3 May 2013 11:18PM
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wishy said...

Now that the wind has died off, has everyone started to notice that Perth is a really awful place when compared to any other city in Australia?

Let me point out a few key areas for discussion:
1. Food Prices (Restaurants & Supermarkets & markets are all 50-100% higher than Brisbane or Sydney)
2. House Prices (Anything in a decent area is $500k+ even 1 bedders WTF)
3. Low breeds per capita (Unskilled labourers and their trailerpark Rayleen-Sheilas seem to be breeding out of control, even in the nicer suburbs!)
4. Nowhere to drive to (Drive upto 3 hours in any direction from Brisbane, Sydney or Melbs and you will be somewhere magical; think Byron Bay, Noosa, Mt Warning, Springbrook Mountain, Seal Rocks, Jervis Bay, etc etc. Drive any less than 3 hours from Perth and you will be in some sort of awful barren wasteland)

Now I know there is going to be a lot of "if you don't like it then leave" comments, and I will, just let me collect a few more massive mining paycheques and take every cent I have earnt back to the east coast. I personally think we should start mining Perth, Margaret River, and the Pinnacles.


That's all such an "Eastern states" thing to say.
1. The most expensive stake I ever had was from a stake house on the East coast $90

2. Try buying a house within 11 km of Sydney for under $500,000. Impossible, you can buy them in Perth about 5km from the CBD though

3. Nowhere to drive to .... Lol The amount of Eastern staters that point out that they have snow fields 2 hours away blah blah blah, and 90% of them have never even been there. Go to Rottnest / penguin island / forests in Dwellingup / Winery tours south or even East / big wave surfing at margs / reef diving or fishing up in the north west / or..... you can F&*^ off to east side, pay 10 different tolls as you sit in another trafficjam caused by yet another addition to the stinking m5 freeway... you also have at least a 50% chance of rain cause it's cloudy every day on the east coast. and a 20% chance of kiting because there is no wind and good spots are.... as you said.... 3 hours from everywhere. Don't forget to renew you pink slip, green slip, white slip , e-tag, and visit the mechanic every year to get another slip..... While your at it, spend most of the WA generated GST revenue on your states economies to pull them out of the recession that they are in.

4. I've been all up and down the East coast, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if there are a gazillion attractions because there's an 80% chance you won't get out of your car due to the torrential downpours.

It is good that we are getting more and more miners from the East coast coming to stay temporarily over here, which is tightening the rental market so much, I can ask for ridiculous amounts of rent :)

diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
4 May 2013 10:22PM
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Good to see the F#$#k wits will be leaving Perth soon! .
More room for Kiters that want to live the dream with a positive outlook .

I always love to here the storys of positive people who have come from nasty places in the world and come to Perth and respect it for what it is! .
Its disappointing to to see such negativity from our own country men.

Kiting all year round for me winter swells and winter qualls all the way from Trigg to Leightons .
Its a shame pal because your going to miss out out on some worldclass kiting this winter!.
6-7 m swell at rotto mmmmmm!

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
5 May 2013 1:41AM
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dachopper said...
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The amount of Eastern staters that point out that they have snow fields 2 hours away blah blah blah, and 90% of them have never even been there.
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How about we build in Perth an indoor ski slopes? Around Perth hills?

Would that qualify as something BIG so you guys come to Perth for a bit of skiing in a mid of summer:) + heaps of ppl from this part of Asia?

So you actually see a bit of snow:) Or make a proper snowman:) And hey, you'll charge even more for your rental property:)

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How come that Singapore just opened Gardens which will attract like zillion ppl. Many of you, including myself, will visit this at some stage I recon.

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You might see critics as F#$#k wits, but some of us actually CARE about Perth and the city we live in. And Mandurah as well (thumbs up GD3D)!

And unlike some, others have a constructive opinions. At least I think they are :)

Ok, I'll F#$#k off to bed now after 6hrs watching a TV.

moon waxing
WA, 310 posts
5 May 2013 10:06AM
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dbabicwa said...
How about we build in Perth an indoor ski slopes? Around Perth hills?


Might have to wait a while (pun intended) but...

http://www.snowpark.com.au/


At least there's a cable park happening now

theDoctor
NSW, 5785 posts
5 May 2013 12:08PM
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Dave Whettingsteel said...
That's one of my projects and its not about reducing workforce, it's about maximizing up time and productivity of the trucks.



and reducing workforce



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