Was down at the beach the other day there was all these kooks on wave kites who couldn't even kite, not even upwind in a section
What the hell's happening? First straps and now all these wave kites
Should shops moderate wave kite sales to non kooks?
Wave kites make good learners kites. low lift, easy to fly, easy to relaunch, lots of depower.
Before the ozone boys thought of marketing a kite to wave riders guess what wave kites were called?
Learner kites..........................................
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
Wave kites make good learners kites. low lift, easy to fly, easy to relaunch, lots of depower.
Before the ozone boys thought of marketing a kite to wave riders guess what wave kites were called?
Learner kites..........................................
Not true. Learner kites typically are slow and sit back deeper in the window for even power and steady predictability. Wave kites (tailored to the average punter) in theory should be designed to do almost the opposite; very fast turning, fly forward easily with a very on and off power delivery.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..Plummet said..
Wave kites make good learners kites. low lift, easy to fly, easy to relaunch, lots of depower.
Before the ozone boys thought of marketing a kite to wave riders guess what wave kites were called?
Learner kites..........................................
Not true. Learner kites typically are slow and sit back deeper in the window for even power and steady predictability. Wave kites (tailored to the average punter) in theory should be designed to do almost the opposite; very fast turning, fly forward easily with a very on and off power delivery.
So you change a bridle setting and make a "wave kite" a"learner kite" by making it slower turning.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..Plummet said..
Wave kites make good learners kites. low lift, easy to fly, easy to relaunch, lots of depower.
Before the ozone boys thought of marketing a kite to wave riders guess what wave kites were called?
Learner kites..........................................
Not true. Learner kites typically are slow and sit back deeper in the window for even power and steady predictability. Wave kites (tailored to the average punter) in theory should be designed to do almost the opposite; very fast turning, fly forward easily with a very on and off power delivery.
Everyone is open to whatever style of kite they like to ride in whatever conditions, but i know a high number of NORTH schools use NEO's.
The exact same kite as Airton, Sky and all the other wave team riders.The easy relaunch, stability and even power ticks boxes for both riders.Just my opinion.
Kiteboarding needs specialized wave kites, without them someone wouldn't have taken the time machine back to 2006 with 2016 kites disguised as 2006 kites - and produced a whole array of sick wave riding videos on youtube before the days such kites existed.
Yeah we need sub specialist wave kites now, oh and strapless freestyle kites. North have my fave marketing quote for their wave kites "Just forget about the kite and get on with riding the board" - maybe these guys read this ? I guess that kite doesn't come with a bar.
There is no doubt IMO that specialized equipment has infected kiteboarding with an immense amount of kookness. The conversations I hear at the beach today regarding equipment / marketing today make me go "wtff planet are u on to believe that bull5it or even think that your kiting will in some way suddenly improve?!" lol
Select to expand quoteJBFletch said..sir ROWDY said..Plummet said..
Wave kites make good learners kites. low lift, easy to fly, easy to relaunch, lots of depower.
Before the ozone boys thought of marketing a kite to wave riders guess what wave kites were called?
Learner kites..........................................
Not true. Learner kites typically are slow and sit back deeper in the window for even power and steady predictability. Wave kites (tailored to the average punter) in theory should be designed to do almost the opposite; very fast turning, fly forward easily with a very on and off power delivery.
Everyone is open to whatever style of kite they like to ride in whatever conditions, but i know a high number of NORTH schools use NEO's.
The exact same kite as Airton, Sky and all the other wave team riders.The easy relaunch, stability and even power ticks boxes for both riders.Just my opinion.
Not denying that learners may use a Neo or any wave kite for that matter... However it is pretty apparent that if two kites were designed for the direct specs of each discipline (Learner, Wave) they would certainly be different ends of the spectrum. (Kites specifically tailored to these two groups on the market most certainly are).
Guess what, we all learnt on C-kites back in the day as well (2-line and 4-line) and many schools used them to teach learners... I guess that makes C-kites learners kites as well and not the advanced kites they propose to be!!!
FYI Ozones Reo is very different to a learners kite (like the new Catalyst or Uno).
The only thing this thread and both of you @JB @Plummet highlight very well is the fact that Kiteboarding brands for the most part rely on one big load of marketing bull****, and also that you can learn (or ride) on almost anything if you want to 
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What a load of BS some of these post are
love some of the post trying to categorise different kitting brands and types
Been kitting for 14 years from two line to every thing in between and although very experienced wouldn't class myself as a great kiter far from it
Have seen and kited with some true super stars over the years riding full on c kites in waves and riding wave kites freestyle , the rider makes it happen not the kite
Unless you are in the top 10% around the world , most of us wouldn't know the difference between riding different brand and designs
The best kiter out there be it on Wave kites ,c kites , what ever , SB or twinnys , brands or home made boards
Is the one having the most Fun
Select to expand quotebearbusa said..
The best kiter out there be it on Wave kites ,c kites , what ever , SB or twinnys , brands or home made boards
Is the one having the most Fun
Too true man. To true!
He who has the biggest grin wins,
It is usually the guy who doesn't give three flying farks what anyone else thinks.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..
JBFletch said..
sir ROWDY said..
However it is pretty apparent that if two kites were designed for the direct specs of each discipline (Learner, Wave) they would certainly be different ends of the spectrum. (Kites specifically tailored to these two groups on the market most certainly are).
FYI Ozones Reo is very different to a learners kite (like the new Catalyst or Uno).
I happen to have the ozone range in my kite quiver with the exception of c4 (which I used to own). I haven't tried the endure yet either.
So I have chrono, edge. catalyst and reo. The reo at cat are practically the same. cat a little more lift and less drift, reo less lift more drift. The reo is easy as **** to fly.
For me the cat and reo are at one end of the spectrum, edge at the other for lei's then chrono even sillier again at the bleeding edge of "not for a learner kite".
So I guess we will beg to differ on this one.
Or maybe you just expect kites to feel completely different, when most kites feel pretty similar? I don't think a learner would have any problem using a C4 either, it would also feel pretty similar to Cat and Reo for them.
Either way it doesn't matter whether they feel similar, the point I was making is the characteristics people would like to have in each design are quite far apart. Ozone doesn't just take a learners kite and slap a Wave name on it. I know this because I see the feedback people give and what the designers are doing .
Select to expand quoteBigwavedave said..
How the hell did we kite in the waves when all we had were just kites?
The wave guys used kites that worked best in the waves.... guess what. they were learners kites!....
