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One Year in OZ

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Created by simokite > 9 months ago, 5 Jan 2010
simokite
5 posts
5 Jan 2010 2:39AM
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Hi Guys,
I'm trying to manage my dream: living one year in OZ,Perth.
But I need tons of information about everything...so any kind of tips and advices are welcomed:
- cheap accomodation for two people (in Perth or very close to it)
- cost of living
- how to get an internship in a company...
and whichever thing you think It could be useful to me, please tell me...

Good wind and let me know.
Simone

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:00PM
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Australia is the most expensive Anglo-saxon country by far and 1 of the most expensive countries in the world, so you'll have to bring lots of money. Or a tent and not as much.

Average property price is A$585k (US$530k) vs US $175k vs GB pound 143k (US$ 230)... our interest rates are also the highest... so expect rent to cripple you (A$2000-3000 a month in the city (Sydney)). You even have to bid up places (pay more than the asking rent) cos Howard/Rudd invited the world in and didn't build the infrastructure to accomodate the influx.

Food is also more expensive than any other Anglo-saxon country... every time I go to Whoolies I spend A$100 for 2 days food (2 people)... And don't even think about bring supplies in, cos customs will analy probe you and confiscate anything they want and then charge u for the pleasure.

Kites, again most expensive.
Parking again most expensive... and allow for multiple fines (not sure about WA, but in NSW/Vic just open your wallet & bend over any time u see a Ranger/Cop).
++ Road tolls, speed/red light/hidden/funny/plane/chopper/car cams.

If you're a backpacker you'll be competing with boat people for jobs... minimum wage is $550/w but 10% just disappears in to a "Super" rip off, and the rest will vanish in taxes and medicare surcharges.

That sums it up, bring as much money as you can or you might not last a year .

Also because there are a lot of Great Whites, savage sea lions, Stingers, Tiger Sharks, Bull Sharks, most venomous Snakes/Spiders/Ants/Roaches/Bees/Flies/Fleas/Trees/Fish/Octopy/Dogs/Devils/Wombats/Birds in the WORLD and Medicare will only help you if you're about to die and then charge you for the ambulance... get medical insurance.


If you can afford A$7000 a month you can rent a nice place on the beach and have Tiger prawn BBQ everyday, with friendliest people... and life will be super sweet.

Aorta
VIC, 244 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:08PM
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The people of WA thank you for your service Flysurfer

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:30PM
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FlySurfer said...

Australia is the most expensive Anglo-saxon country by far and 1 of the most expensive countries in the world, so you'll have to bring lots of money. Or a tent and not as much.

Average property price is A$585k (US$530k) vs US $175k vs GB pound 143k (US$ 230)... our interest rates are also the highest... so expect rent to cripple you (A$2000-3000 a month in the city (Sydney)). You even have to bid up places (pay more than the asking rent) cos Howard/Rudd invited the world in and didn't build the infrastructure to accomodate the influx.

Food is also more expensive than any other Anglo-saxon country... every time I go to Whoolies I spend A$100 for 2 days food (2 people)... And don't even think about bring supplies in, cos customs will analy probe you and confiscate anything they want and then charge u for the pleasure.

Kites, again most expensive.
Parking again most expensive... and allow for multiple fines (not sure about WA, but in NSW/Vic just open your wallet & bend over any time u see a Ranger/Cop).
++ Road tolls, speed/red light/hidden/funny/plane/chopper/car cams.

If you're a backpacker you'll be competing with boat people for jobs... minimum wage is $550/w but 10% just disappears in to a "Super" rip off, and the rest will vanish in taxes and medicare surcharges.

That sums it up, bring as much money as you can or you might not last a year .

Also because there are a lot of Great Whites, savage sea lions, Stingers, Tiger Sharks, Bull Sharks, most venomous Snakes/Spiders/Ants/Roaches/Bees/Flies/Fleas/Trees/Fish/Octopy/Dogs/Devils/Wombats/Birds in the WORLD and Medicare will only help you if you're about to die and then charge you for the ambulance... get medical insurance.


If you can afford A$7000 a month you can rent a nice place on the beach and have Tiger prawn BBQ everyday, with friendliest people... and life will be super sweet.


Well aren't you Mr Positive...what about all the positives like...hmmm...give me a bit to think about.

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:45PM
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You forgot the drop bears!

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:51PM
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simokite said...

Hi Guys,
I'm trying to manage my dream: living one year in OZ,Perth.
But I need tons of information about everything...so any kind of tips and advices are welcomed:
- cheap accomodation for two people (in Perth or very close to it)
- cost of living
- how to get an internship in a company...
and whichever thing you think It could be useful to me, please tell me...

Good wind and let me know.
Simone


Where are you from?

sci
WA, 762 posts
5 Jan 2010 9:53AM
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this is why God invented google.com

sburlo
NT, 166 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:18PM
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You forgot to mention bunyips.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
5 Jan 2010 1:58PM
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KIT33R: We killed all the bears and the ones we missed, global warming got... but I forgot to include ice burgs.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/6768364/Giant-iceberg-heading-for-Australia.html

By the time Simone gets here the burg will be here too, and you just know the local councils are going to introduce some surcharge for the pleasure of kiting near an ice burg, even if you can't see it.

rloemker: I was being positive, I didn't even mention the detention centres if she doesn't pay the inevitable fine, the 11 year old rapists, 17 year old arsonists, head butters, train bashings, murdered bush walkers...

But seriously if you have the cash they'll be no problems... if you're forced to stay in the more economical areas, well then you'll need to invest in some more insurance.
If you stay in a good area, sure rent will be more expensive but you can always bludge off the neighbors and you'll be safe.

I also recommend watching the documentary "Wolf Creek" (www.imdb.com/title/tt0416315/) for some outback driving tips. By the way "outback" is 30km in any direction from the CBD. And WA is bigger than the whole of Europe.

In 2009 The Economist voted Perth the 5th nicest place in the world to live if you had lots of money. And crime is no where near as bad as the UK... where there's a stabbing every 30 seconds... maybe that's why the NHS is free.

Knight Kiter
19 posts
5 Jan 2010 11:16AM
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australia's alright, apart from all the australians in it.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
5 Jan 2010 2:19PM
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Knight Kiter: Australians are more in danger than the polar bears!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
5 Jan 2010 2:22PM
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Cheapest way to get to Australia is via a boat from indonesia. The boat trip costs US$7000 but once you get here, you have free housing, free school, free medical and you don't even need a job to get it so you have all your time free to kite. There are also an unlimited amount of spots available, especially if you can prove you came from a poor country except I hear the boat trip is a little cramped.

Don't bother with the whole skilled migration thing or working thing. Permanent residence costs the same except you actually have to work when you get here and they won't give you medical until you've done 400 different tests to prove you don't need any medical cover for the next 20 years.

Its no wonder they stopped processing skilled migration visas until 2012. Who needs these damn skilled people when we can get so many unskilled people and save all the visa processing paperwork and medicals.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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5 Jan 2010 11:27AM
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Hey Flysurfer,

It's actually a little pointless bringing any possessions to WA as everything will be stolen from you within a week of entering the state. Home, car and even personal theft is rampant and the police cannot and will not try and stop it due to the extent of it. We don't have any stone fish, blue ringed octopi or cone shells here because the Great Whites have eaten them all, thankfully!

It's not even safe to use your debit/credit cards over here due to the card skimming racket going on where they completely empty your bank account after you buy a hamburger. Most of us have taken to keeping our life savings in notes rolled up into a small capsule and inserted internally up the rear. Luckily due to the cost of living, the capsule is small enough to carry both fifty dollar notes, so insertion is relatively painless.

If you are bringing a lot of money, you'll need a much larger capsule than the ones they hand you at the airport/borders, so bring extra personal lubricant.

It would be safer (although just as expensive) for Simokite to visit the east coast.

Cheers,

KH

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
5 Jan 2010 2:29PM
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Saffer said...stopped processing skilled migration visas until 2012


When did this happen? We still get "skilled" with the 457.


Kitehard: East coast, no... in 2001 Sydney's population was 3.3 million, it's now 4.5 and they only built 5 new houses, and closed half the roads to force you down private toll roads, changed roads in 24hr bus lanes when the buses don't even run 24hrs, and never repaired any trains.

Here the police only mandate is to fine anyone going faster than walking speed... and it's not like you can anyway with the traffic.

Y'all know NSW is broke and now we've even got an American woman running things.

I guess Simone is going to WA cos there was no place for her to stay in NSW or maybe she's scared of the Sydney spiders.

Knight Kiter
19 posts
5 Jan 2010 11:52AM
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FlySurfer said...

Knight Kiter: Australians are more in danger than the polar bears!


we whinge more than polar bears too.

LaurieP
WA, 123 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:45PM
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It might be better to see if you can contact some backpackers as they will have a better perspective on your situation, i.e. the people living here don't need to know about short-term accomodation, casual jobs etc. Here is a start:

http://www.tntdownunder.com/
www.tntmagazine.com/working_abroad/work-in-australia/default.aspx

It's also hard to give some advice without knowing what jobs you are qualified for, e.g. do you need a car for work? It may be better to pay more rent to live near the beach and do without a car or just rent one when you want to travel.

As to internships - pretty rare in Perth. Jobs are either permanent employee, contract/temporary or casual, but there are plenty:

www.seek.com.au/

It's pretty difficult to find an acceptable place to rent for less then $330 per week these days. Sharing a place is a possibility but this is not as widespread as in other countries:

www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?s=wa&t=ren&snf=rbs&a=sf


As a very rough guide: if you aren't looking for a champagne lifestyle and you don't wish to save any money and you aren't too fussed about where you live or the type of car you drive (i.e. you just want to come for the surf and sun and a good time), then you could easily live on about $600 per week. Between the two of you, you should have no trouble getting some sort of job or jobs to fund at least that much but more then likely much more.

Cheers.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
5 Jan 2010 8:50PM
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FlySurfer said...

Saffer said...stopped processing skilled migration visas until 2012


When did this happen? We still get "skilled" with the 457.


Kitehard: East coast, no... in 2001 Sydney's population was 3.3 million, it's now 4.5 and they only built 5 new houses, and closed half the roads to force you down private toll roads, changed roads in 24hr bus lanes when the buses don't even run 24hrs, and never repaired any trains.

Here the police only mandate is to fine anyone going faster than walking speed... and it's not like you can anyway with the traffic.

Y'all know NSW is broke and now we've even got an American woman running things.

I guess Simone is going to WA cos there was no place for her to stay in NSW or maybe she's scared of the Sydney spiders.



Yeah, but 457's aren't permanent migration, thats a work visa. In short, we'll let skilled in for short visits but let the unskilled stay permanently with full medical and subsidised by tax payers? The other irony is the last census showed that your ability to speak english as a foreigner is directly related to your likelihood to claiming unemployment. I.e. you speak english, you get a job, you can't, you don't - not really surprising given that most companies want employees that can communicate with. What do you think the likelihood of these people being fluent in english is and therefore their likelihood of being productive citizens?

Only way to get permanent residence now is company sponsored (no checks against degrees in most cases, you just have to be on a work visa for 2 years to qualify) or state sponsored skilled migration (adelaide or the little towns).

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
5 Jan 2010 9:38PM
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Knight Kiter said...

australia's alright, apart from all the australians in it.


but they are a minority nowadays, in fact a good game like eyespy is called spot the aussie although can be very boring in the major cities because lack of them.

pynnee
WA, 164 posts
5 Jan 2010 7:18PM
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If I was doing a trip to Australia I would go straight to Tasmania. I would prob stay there the whole time too lol

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
5 Jan 2010 10:46PM
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simokite said...

Hi Guys,
I'm trying to manage my dream: living one year in OZ,Perth.
But I need tons of information about everything...so any kind of tips and advices are welcomed:
- cheap accomodation for two people (in Perth or very close to it)
- cost of living
- how to get an internship in a company...
and whichever thing you think It could be useful to me, please tell me...

Good wind and let me know.
Simone


Dear Simone,
In your quest for effort-free information you made some tactical errors.
Number one has been highlighted above.
Number two: In case you didn't notice, this is a kitesurfing forum. Do you kite?




old4dy
NSW, 147 posts
6 Jan 2010 12:13AM
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sorry to butt in but an idea for work may be wild flower picking in Albany around February, my son and his girl earnt about 5 K in a month last year while there.

Georgia
1 posts
5 Jan 2010 9:39PM
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Knight Kiter said...

australia's alright, apart from all the australians in it.


Well maybe you should go back to where you are from

simokite
5 posts
5 Jan 2010 9:54PM
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Thank you mates, for your funny answers...
@Kitehard: I've been laughing yet...I prefer leaving my country without money that having a capsule in my rear
@FlySurfer: Also in Italy,we do that. When someone asks some information about our spots, we always say "No good mate,there's no no wind,no pussy girls...." we're jealous..but don't worry my friend, I don't want to manage an Italian Kiters migration in OZ ,we're only two,my girlfriend and I and she prefers sunbathing than go kitesurfing so I think there will be enough room and enough waves for everyone

@LaurieP:thank you for the links,I hope to find good tips...
Regarding my looking for a Job,I'm 26 years,and I have a Master degree in Management Engeneering and I've been working for 3 years like business analyst and controller in a big Financial Services Company in Automotive Market...
I spoke about internship only because my English is not so fluent yet, like an Aussie company,I think,asks for its employee. And however an internship however wouldn't give me a "hole" in my resume like an year like "backpacker".




Greenfinger
WA, 239 posts
5 Jan 2010 10:25PM
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Georgia said...

Knight Kiter said...

australia's alright, apart from all the australians in it.


Well maybe you should go back to where you are from



Spot on Pete.

Love it or leave it.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
6 Jan 2010 9:53AM
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Ma que catso, Italiano, bene .... Perth è male, è come il deserto, è troppo costoso e dovete guidare migliaia di km per andare altrove. Sulla costa orientale si può guidare un altro in cui, come le montagne, se non ti piace della città. Ingegneria e gestione di posti di lavoro ... non succederà ... en un caffè di sicuro.

Sydney e Perth sono costosi, forse un po 'più di Milano.

Simone è un nome di donna in inglese, Simon è maschio.

old4dy
NSW, 147 posts
6 Jan 2010 10:02AM
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!!! QUE !!!

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
6 Jan 2010 10:11AM
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Also the engineering/management job aint gona happen cos: http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/


Did you consider New Zealand? You can eat the locals.



simokite
5 posts
6 Jan 2010 8:58AM
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FlySurfer said...

Ma que catso, Italiano, bene .... Perth è male, è come il deserto, è troppo costoso e dovete guidare migliaia di km per andare altrove. Sulla costa orientale si può guidare un altro in cui, come le montagne, se non ti piace della città. Ingegneria e gestione di posti di lavoro ... non succederà ... en un caffè di sicuro.

Sydney e Perth sono costosi, forse un po 'più di Milano.

Simone è un nome di donna in inglese, Simon è maschio.



ahahahah....yes I'm a Boy not a girl...at least my girlfriend says that...
However Flysurfer,I want believe in you Which city in OZ do you suggest me for kite and for life experience?

Ps:Very good Italian,have you ever been here?

Knight Kiter
19 posts
6 Jan 2010 9:22AM
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Georgia said...

Knight Kiter said...

australia's alright, apart from all the australians in it.


Well maybe you should go back to where you are from



queensland? i might one day, it's quite nice there.



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