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O.T. jet ski shopping

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Created by Craig66 > 9 months ago, 27 Jan 2010
Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
27 Jan 2010 7:19PM
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Who knows which 3 seater jet ski to buy ?
For the light wind days towing kite boarders.

Any advice good and bad.

Cheers

Craig

PS the local nobbys crew will be buying the petrol so i dont care if it burns plenty

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
27 Jan 2010 6:25PM
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I use the Yamaha FXSHO for tow ins and highly recommend it. Most lifeguards and water patrol in Chopes, Hawaii e.t.c. use them too so they must be good.

Ryland
WA, 1222 posts
27 Jan 2010 5:38PM
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definately a yammy- 4 stroke

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
27 Jan 2010 9:13PM
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Fantastic, make sure i dont visit nobby's when there is no wind. Nothing like listening to the drone of a jetski, ripping apart another beach, in the middle of summer. - Ban them all i reckon.

Flame Away

KR

jimmy87
SA, 112 posts
27 Jan 2010 8:52PM
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Dont buy one till you have ridden a seadoo models vary from 135Hp right up to 255Hp supercharged. All have a top end off about 60 to 70 mph. Also the have a closed cooling system so no salt water runs through the engine the only salt water that is used for cooling is for the exhaust. They are allso really good on maintenance unlike other models they dont need full engine rebuild at 150 hrs. Anyway at the end of the day all skis are fun.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
27 Jan 2010 8:24PM
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kyteryder said...

Fantastic, make sure i dont visit nobby's when there is no wind. Nothing like listening to the drone of a jetski, ripping apart another beach, in the middle of summer. - Ban them all i reckon.

Flame Away

KR


Yeah!!! Especially those ones that save peoples lives everyday!! Maybe you should simply go to a beach where there are no ski's or just stick to hanging around the public toilets. Maybe give up wakeboarding too or do you own a silent boat.

Jar6d
WA, 12 posts
27 Jan 2010 7:38PM
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jimmy87 said...

Dont buy one till you have ridden a seadoo models vary from 135Hp right up to 255Hp supercharged. All have a top end off about 60 to 70 mph. Also the have a closed cooling system so no salt water runs through the engine the only salt water that is used for cooling is for the exhaust. They are allso really good on maintenance unlike other models they dont need full engine rebuild at 150 hrs. Anyway at the end of the day all skis are fun.


^^WHS^^

My old man has one of the 3 cylinder, supercharged, 215hp seadoo's.
Real easy to maintain, doesn't have the trail of water spitting out behind it, and my god have they got some balls!!

Have been towed behind it on a wake board many times.

Gorgo
VIC, 5101 posts
28 Jan 2010 12:05AM
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Craig66 said...
...For the light wind days towing kite boarders.

Any advice good and bad.

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If that's your sole plan then save your money. Wakeboarding behind a jet ski on a kiteboard is fun for about 10 minutes tops.

General riding around on a jet ski is also about as fun as watching grass grow. The buzz of hurtling around at 120k lasts all of 5 minutes.

They're only good if you have some specific activity to do like tow surfing or using it as a dive platform or something.

jds
4 posts
28 Jan 2010 4:31AM
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hey craig my brother owns a yamaha vx delux 2008 model its a 1052cc three seater 4 stroke does about 90k's. its the most popular model with tow in surfers because they dont use much fuel and have heaps of power to get you away from waves fast.
We use it for tow in surfing, fishing and wake skating on the lake he is looking to sell it to upgrade to a new model. i kite at nobbys and live in merewether if you want to come and have a look sometime.

pfr
NSW, 156 posts
28 Jan 2010 8:37AM
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I drove past brighton le sands the other weekend. Wind was pumping from the south and noticed no kites out. Not sure but maybe you have to kite further south now. But there were around 50 jetskis out ripping up the ocean close to shore. It kind of reminded me of being in phuket not wanting to go for a swim in fear of being taken out by a hoon on a jetski. I never really understood the facination with jetskis. Ok lets drive here, ok now i'm gonna drive here, ok i'll drive here, and so on for a couple of hours.

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
28 Jan 2010 8:41AM
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Funny Lol

Wakeboarders / fisherman, dont ride around like lunatics, pissing everyone off. - The best places to wakeboard are secluded places, away from other boats and people. - PWC riders, need the spectators to stroke their ego. - If you fall into this category then you also probably are the type of kiteboarder that does kiteloops 2ft from shore, to impress your girlfriend.

Keep it comin.

LOL

KR

Paul1 said...

kyteryder said...

Fantastic, make sure i dont visit nobby's when there is no wind. Nothing like listening to the drone of a jetski, ripping apart another beach, in the middle of summer. - Ban them all i reckon.

Flame Away

KR


Yeah!!! Especially those ones that save peoples lives everyday!! Maybe you should simply go to a beach where there are no ski's or just stick to hanging around the public toilets. Maybe give up wakeboarding too or do you own a silent boat.




djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:23AM
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Paul1 said...

kyteryder said...

Fantastic, make sure i dont visit nobby's when there is no wind. Nothing like listening to the drone of a jetski, ripping apart another beach, in the middle of summer. - Ban them all i reckon.

Flame Away

KR


Yeah!!! Especially those ones that save peoples lives everyday!! Maybe you should simply go to a beach where there are no ski's or just stick to hanging around the public toilets. Maybe give up wakeboarding too or do you own a silent boat.




Um, I don't know anyone whose life was saved by a jetski. I know lots of people whose day at the beach was ruined by one. This is not to say there aren't considerate and useful users, just that the vast majority are so obnoxious that I'd be happy to see them all disappear tomorrow.

Not every kiter is a bogan, but as soon as you grab that tow rope or flick that throttle you certainly jump up a step in selfishness, resource intensiveness, and the loathing of other beach users.

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:35AM
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If you're really into noise - get a hovecraft.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 8:42AM
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djdojo said...

Paul1 said...

kyteryder said...

Fantastic, make sure i dont visit nobby's when there is no wind. Nothing like listening to the drone of a jetski, ripping apart another beach, in the middle of summer. - Ban them all i reckon.

Flame Away

KR


Yeah!!! Especially those ones that save peoples lives everyday!! Maybe you should simply go to a beach where there are no ski's or just stick to hanging around the public toilets. Maybe give up wakeboarding too or do you own a silent boat.




Um, I don't know anyone whose life was saved by a jetski. I know lots of people whose day at the beach was ruined by one. This is not to say there aren't considerate and useful users, just that the vast majority are so obnoxious that I'd be happy to see them all disappear tomorrow.

Not every kiter is a bogan, but as soon as you grab that tow rope or flick that throttle you certainly jump up a step in selfishness, resource intensiveness, and the loathing of other beach users.


You seriously don't think anyones life was saved by a jetski??? I thought you were supposed to be one of the more intelligent forum users??? Jetskis are used worlwide in surf locations to save peoples lives, including many lives saved here on the Goldy. The guys in places like Hawaii that save peoples lives in huge surf have balls of steel, putting their own lives on the line everyday to save others.

Yes there are idiots that own ski's, kites, boats, cars e.t.c. but fortunately where I live skis are not allowed anywhere near shore at most beaches.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:55AM
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^^

never said nobody's life was saved by one, just that after a few decades of swimming, surfing, windsurfing and kiting at a lot of locations i haven't heard directly of an incident.

i suspect some of the guys who surf the heavier breaks bite off a bit more if they think a jetski is there to help them out. therefore the danger factor increases to catch up with the increased safety. so, jetskis aren't so much saving lives at big breaks, just making it more likely for guys to survive bigger hammerings and hence more likely to put themselves in situations where they take bigger hammerings.

big wave surfers calculate the risks they take, but for tourists on the goldy who aren't strong surf-smart swimmers there are other issues than calculated risk. i'm sure jetskis can grab them out super fast. perhaps that's a valid use of the resource. as for dragging bored kiters around nobbys, that's just jerking off in public.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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28 Jan 2010 9:00AM
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Hi guys,

Unfortunately, no one has nice things to say about jet ski's because of the irresponsible behaviour exhibited by 90% of the owners.

At Pinnaroo Point, they have a space several hundred metres downwind reserved for them, but no one uses that space because there is no one there to see them do there 100th spin and fall off.

With no crowd in their designated spot, they move up to the point in amongst the windsurfing and kitesurfing designated areas and then proceed to do 50mph 30 feet from the waters edge. The speed limits are posted as you enter the beach. 8 knots within 200m of the beach, 8 knots within 45m of a person or other vessel in the water, and yet we have had them use body dragging students as slalom marks.

Almost every Sunday we have to call the water police to come and bust these ar$eholes for dangerous riding amongst the kiters and kiddies swimming in the shallows, and usually the cops turn up and bust a dozen of them. Funny how they all obey the rules when the cops are on site which proves they know the law, but choose to ignore it so everyone can admire their talent up close when the cops leave.

Jet Ski's are a blight on an otherwise beautiful beach landscape on the weekend, destroying the natural ambiance of stunning Perth beaches for everyone else to enjoy. Every weekend 2-3 of these noisy, smelly, obnoxious ski's break down and need to be dragged away.

The owners tend to be hilux or commodore driving boguns, drinkers of cheap wife beater p1ss, that leave their empties all over the beach for others to clean up. They also tend to be aggressive if approached, probably due to a skin full of cheap p1ss and all their chest beating testosterone filled mates all watching.

I hate jet skiers and it's a pity that a potentially useful tool is so badly mis-used. It's not the ski's, it's the owners. If used responsibly ie, 1/2 kilometer off shore where they can't be heard or in the way of other beach goers, then they aren't a problem.

I also would be happy if they all disappeared tomorrow.

KH

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 11:13AM
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djdojo said...

^^

never said nobody's life was saved by one, just that after a few decades of swimming, surfing, windsurfing and kiting at a lot of locations i haven't heard directly of an incident.

i suspect some of the guys who surf the heavier breaks bite off a bit more if they think a jetski is there to help them out. therefore the danger factor increases to catch up with the increased safety. so, jetskis aren't so much saving lives at big breaks, just making it more likely for guys to survive bigger hammerings and hence more likely to put themselves in situations where they take bigger hammerings.

big wave surfers calculate the risks they take, but for tourists on the goldy who aren't strong surf-smart swimmers there are other issues than calculated risk. i'm sure jetskis can grab them out super fast. perhaps that's a valid use of the resource. as for dragging bored kiters around nobbys, that's just jerking off in public.


I don't know anyone 'personally' that has had their 'LIFE SAVED' either by anyone or anything, but hey generalisation is a fun thing. Like you are persuming that Craig 66 is purely going to be using his ski to 'jerk off in public'. You think that 'perhaps' saving peoples lives on a ski is a valued use of the resource, 'perhaps' you should ask the friends and families of the people that have had their lives saved by lifeguards on skis. if 'perhaps' it was worthwhile the lifeguard saving their lives. As for your theory of if a guy is surfing big waves and he is drowning and a ski picks him up, that the ski has not saved his life, not sure how you work that one out, but hey, each to their own. Why all the hate for skis, did a jetskier steal your girlfriend or something, maybe time to let go of the grudge mate and move along.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 11:19AM
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Kitehard said...

Hi guys,

Unfortunately, no one has nice things to say about jet ski's because of the irresponsible behaviour exhibited by 90% of the owners.

At Pinnaroo Point, they have a space several hundred metres downwind reserved for them, but no one uses that space because there is no one there to see them do there 100th spin and fall off.

With no crowd in their designated spot, they move up to the point in amongst the windsurfing and kitesurfing designated areas and then proceed to do 50mph 30 feet from the waters edge. The speed limits are posted as you enter the beach. 8 knots within 200m of the beach, 8 knots within 45m of a person or other vessel in the water, and yet we have had them use body dragging students as slalom marks.

Almost every Sunday we have to call the water police to come and bust these ar5eholes for dangerous riding amongst the kiters and kifddies swimming in the shallows, and usually the cops turn up and bust a dozen of them. Funny how they all obey the rules when the cops are on site which proves they know the law, but choose to ignore it so everyone can admire their talent up close when the cops leave.

Jet Ski's are a blight on an otherwise beautiful beach landscape on the weekend, destroying the natural ambiance of stunning Perth beaches for everyone else to enjoy. Every weekend 2-3 of these noisy, smelly, obnoxious ski's break down and need to be dragged away.

The owners tend to be hilux or commodore driving boguns, drinkers of cheap wife beater p1ss, that leave their empties all over the beach for others to clean up. They also tend to be aggressive if approached, probably due to a skin full of cheap p1ss and all their chest beating testosterone filled mates all watching.

I hate jet skiers and it's a pity that a potentially useful tool is so badly mis-used. It's not the ski's, it's the owners. If used responsibly ie, 1/2 kilometer off shore where they can't be heard or in the way of other beach goers, then they aren't a problem.

I also would be happy if they all disappeared tomorrow.

KH


Another fantastic generalisation of jetski users, ha ha. 90%???? 100% of the ski owners I know are responsible, surfers/kiters/lifegfuards. Just because 90% of them are tools at your beach dosesnt mean you have to tar them with the same brush.

90% of kiters are irresponsible, travelling at 25knots,just metres fron the shore pulling tricks to show off to their mates, so maybe we should all get banned and dissapear tomorrow

Oh, and by the way, you really don't need to keep initialling your name at the end of your posts, its your username, remember? Seems to be a shopguy thing?

tightlines
WA, 3502 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:26AM
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I think you will find they are not the only ones that hate jetski's, you can put me on the hate them list too.

28 Jan 2010 12:27PM
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djdojo said...

Um, I don't know anyone whose life was saved by a jetski. I know lots of people whose day at the beach was ruined by one. This is not to say there aren't considerate and useful users, just that the vast majority are so obnoxious that I'd be happy to see them all disappear tomorrow.

Not every kiter is a bogan, but as soon as you grab that tow rope or flick that throttle you certainly jump up a step in selfishness, resource intensiveness, and the loathing of other beach users.


You know someone now.
I may or may not have made it back to shore, but it was almost dark and I was completely tangled in a lynn waterfoil after the bridle partially came to bits, and one of those hoons at brighton saved my ar$e.

@ the haters - jetski owners and riders are not all complete idiots.

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:02PM
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^^^^^^^ no but 90% of them are.

I refer to them as the "wogs windsurfer" or "water Torana" cos they are usually operated by blokes who think they are fully sick !!!!!!!!!!

They are great machines for tow ins etc...... no doubt about it..... but 99% of users i see just go back and forth with the occasional spin 50 m from the shore at 40+knots.



Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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28 Jan 2010 10:14AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

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djdojo said...

@ the haters - jetski owners and riders are not all complete idiots.


No one said they are ALL tools, just the overwhelming majority.

KH

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:19PM
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Hey Steve, glad you made it back from your tangle. This doesn't make the jetskier a hero. It just means he or she had some basic level of humanity in the presence of another person who needed help that they could easily provide.

Paul, the original poster was clear in stating that the intention behind his purchase was to tow kiters at Nobbys (or at least tow the Nobby's crew, perhaps at a more appropriate spot). Any lifesaving would be incidental. He also said he didn't care how much petrol it burns. In the 90s I spent a lot of time in Newcastle and swam, surfed and windsurfed regularly at Nobbys. It's a spectacular beach and draws many beach users who do not generate any noise or air pollution. A very selfish place to run a stinkboat.

As for being "one of the more intelligent forum users," its not a title I've ever claimed; it has been thrust upon me. So, in order to do it justice I'll offer an exercise in logic, based on, and hopefully to help spell out, my earlier big wave surfers and jetski rescue comments.

If I have an adjustable-height tightrope, but no safety net, I can just choose to use it at 2 or 3 feet high and not risk my life. If someone gives me a safety net, I can set the rope at 40 feet high and when I fall the net catches me. Now, in the immediate sense, the net saves my life. In a wider view, the net forms part of the context in which I decide to venture onto the high rope in the first place. In this sense, the net doesn't so much save my life as alter the type of risk that I'm willing to take.

Oh, and I just called my girlfriend. She says she's quite happy with our relationship and that jetskiers have never appealed to her. She also suggested you keep your snide personal remarks to yourself.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 12:38PM
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djdojo said...

Hey Steve, glad you made it back from your tangle. This doesn't make the jetskier a hero. It just means he or she had some basic level of humanity in the presence of another person who needed help that they could easily provide.

Paul, the original poster was clear in stating that the intention behind his purchase was to tow kiters at Nobbys (or at least tow the Nobby's crew, perhaps at a more appropriate spot). Any lifesaving would be incidental. He also said he didn't care how much petrol it burns. In the 90s I spent a lot of time in Newcastle and swam, surfed and windsurfed regularly at Nobbys. It's a spectacular beach and draws many beach users who do not generate any noise or air pollution. A very selfish place to run a stinkboat.

As for being "one of the more intelligent forum users," its not a title I've ever claimed; it has been thrust upon me. So, in order to do it justice I'll offer an exercise in logic, based on, and hopefully to help spell out, my earlier big wave surfers and jetski rescue comments.

If I have an adjustable-height tightrope, but no safety net, I can just choose to use it at 2 or 3 feet high and not risk my life. If someone gives me a safety net, I can set the rope at 40 feet high and when I fall the net catches me. Now, in the immediate sense, the net saves my life. In a wider view, the net forms part of the context in which I decide to venture onto the high rope in the first place. In this sense, the net doesn't so much save my life as alter the type of risk that I'm willing to take.

Oh, and I just called my girlfriend. She says she's quite happy with our relationship and that jetskiers have never appealed to her. She also suggested you keep your snide personal remarks to yourself.


Nice back pedalling mate, clear as mud and patronising as usual. As for snide and personal remarks, if your girlfriend had run off with a jetskier she wouldn't be your current girlfriend, Einstein. Lighten up princess, maybe its time to jump down off that soap box of yours for a change.

Beersy
TAS, 753 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:55PM
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^Where was the back peddaling? It still sounds like he doesn't like jet skiers. And as for quiting wake boarding if you don't like jet skis, well when i was wake boarding at manton dam in Darwin we'd always have jet skiers trying to race our boat kicking up chop. So they even piss wakeboarders off.

olitwist
VIC, 56 posts
28 Jan 2010 2:03PM
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I've got good mates who jetski responsibly, but on the whole these people are bogan idiots racing round making a bloody racket and ruining the peace. Add me to the list of people who don't see the big attraction.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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28 Jan 2010 11:41AM
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Hi guys, this just in ....

I just received my copy of the WA Gov, Department of Transport newsletter "Boating Communities" Edition 11, January 2010, and lo and behold, on the cover is a picture of a Marine officer handing over a ticket to a jet skier. LOL!

Page 1 has the article and I quote :-

"Department of Transport infringement statistics reinforce why Personal Water Craft (PWC) or jet ski riders have such a bad reputation on the water.

Almost a third of the total number of the marine safety infringements on the Swan and Canning Rivers last year were issued to PWC riders. A concerning statistic in it's own right, but even more worrying when you consider PWC's only account for seven per cent of the total number of registered recreational vessels on the water."

Hmmmm

KH



stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:46PM
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Paul1 said...




I thought you were supposed to be one of the more intelligent forum users???


don't mistake intelligent for verbose

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
28 Jan 2010 2:50PM
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Wow, so many with so little to do..............

Ok, to all you guys that have helped with the topic thanks.
To the rest of you guys, I didnt bother reading all ur crap, get a life.

And don't bother ripping me off as im not about to read any more on this topic. Cheers to all

Ps I CANT do kite loops.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:56PM
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Kitehard said...

Hi guys, this just in ....

I just received my copy of the WA Gov, Department of Transport newsletter "Boating Communities" Edition 11, January 2010, and lo and behold, on the cover is a picture of a Marine officer handing over a ticket to a jet skier. LOL!

Page 1 has the article and I quote :-

"Department of Transport infringement statistics reinforce why Personal Water Craft (PWC) or jet ski riders have such a bad reputation on the water.

Almost a third of the total number of the marine safety infringements on the Swan and Canning Rivers last year were issued to PWC riders. A concerning statistic in it's own right, but even more worrying when you consider PWC's only account for seven per cent of the total number of registered recreational vessels on the water."

Hmmmm

KH






Looks more like he is handing him his phone number, even guys in uniform have a soft spot for guys on skis.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:58PM
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stamp said...

Paul1 said...




I thought you were supposed to be one of the more intelligent forum users???


don't mistake intelligent for verbose




True, so true, very true that, that is so true.



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