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Created by jim > 9 months ago, 26 Jan 2008
Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
27 Jan 2008 1:40AM
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Some people obviously aren't skilled at reading comprehension. It's not like the kiters would have had a choice to rescue the guy or not, it was impoosible, plus he was strapped to a life raft. The only possibility was to get a boat to rescue him, which was done, so I really don't know what the fuss is about. Some people just read what they want to read, the locals help where they can but we can't be accountable for every person that tries to ride the spot. How about putting some owness on the rider, what the hell was he doing riding an offshore spot without being ablle to save himself! You act like we are the criminals, how about the guy who ignored common sense!

It comes down to the basic rule: Don't go further out than your prepared to swim in

It's that simple, I'm not going to bicker anymore, anyone that knows me would vouch that I rescue people all the time, and when I do rescue people I don't come on seabreeze and bitch about why someone else didn't do it. Get over it.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
27 Jan 2008 12:34AM
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Spacemonkey! said...

It comes down to the basic rule: Don't go further out than your prepared to swim in



That's a good rule.

Back in the old days of Hawaiian surfing,
the best surfers were often also the life-guards at the beach.
That was their job and they were real watermen.
Will kitesurfing ever have watermen ?
Will Spacey ever become a sea-monkey ?
lol.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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27 Jan 2008 1:49AM
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harrysurfer said...

chill pill maybe i should start a buisiness and have a boat at each of the kite spots and charge 10 bucks per rescue i could also organise to ppup crew from downwinders and bring them back after their sesh but then again if the human spirit was truly alive i would go broke, if someone is in trouble and you have the abiltiy to render assistance it should be automatic and the reward is knowing you have made someones day.


Dude,

whenever it's slightly offshore (SSE), the Pinnaroo triangle comes into effect and often we get the boat out to save people from the drift to Mullaloo or Ocean Reef. It is the unspoken rule to reward with beer for a rescue, we dont ask, we just let our rescueee know "we drink beer"

We rescued 3 persons, 3 kites and 2 boards a week or two ago and got one 6 pack of Emu Export. Makes me think people just expect a rescue when they get out of their depth. We will always rescue those in need, but wont help people within 200m of the beach unless they are in serious trouble ie, kite towing them out to sea, looping out of control kite, one arm waving etc. We spent $1800 on a new reliable out board engine just for this purpose plus fuel, insurance, rego and instructor time to go and get people, kites and boards drifting away.

Pretty lame when people don't even try to self rescue or don't cough up a few measley beers. Karma will get em. Especially those that abuse the system and are repeat offenders.

We dont ask for compensation or charge for rescue, but some appreciation would be appreciated

Good winds, (we drink beer!)

Gstar
WA, 391 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:00AM
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Flux said...

Abesy said...

"light wind relaunch" is pretty much the technique required to relaunch a c kite on 4 lines, applied to a hybrid...

U swim towards the kite so that it rolls on its back instead of trying to pull the outside lines for a straight relaunch. Then u swim to one side of the window while pulling the outside line (not to much or u will overcook it and end up back where u started!). It does require a bit of practice but once mastered helps with confidence...



Oh I C nothing different there , just thought it was some new trick ? But I c not.
And to add to the thread if there is to ever be any assistance from anyone for any situation weather it be kiting or near drowning etc the person lending the assistance has to make the call weather it's safe to do so regardless, if he at all feels that he himself could suffer the same fate then he should bail on the whole thing , no use having 2 people down , this rule applies in every safety taught senario there is.
Jim was on the money IMO




That's the difference between a "nice guy" and a"F@$KIN' HERO".
Who wants to be a nice guy.
Wake up..

congo abrezio
NT, 285 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:32AM
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D.R.A.B.C.

Gstar
WA, 391 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:13AM
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congo abrezio said...

D.R.A.B.C.


WTF

Josh K
QLD, 318 posts
27 Jan 2008 3:18AM
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clearly didnt do HPE in school

Gstar
WA, 391 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:24AM
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School of hard knocks not soft jocks..

Josh K
QLD, 318 posts
27 Jan 2008 3:26AM
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id rather my jocks soft than stiff. way too uncomfy.

wdk
WA, 38 posts
27 Jan 2008 5:01AM
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Kitehard said...


We rescued 3 persons, 3 kites and 2 boards a week or two ago and got one 6 pack of Emu Export.



Emu Export is more of a punishment than a thank you, I would have taken them back out and dumped them 2ks off shore for that.

harrysurfer
WA, 254 posts
27 Jan 2008 10:59AM
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Kitehard said...


It is the unspoken rule to reward with beer for a rescue, we dont ask, we just let our rescueee know "we drink beer"



kitehard what is your fave beer in the case i ever need rescuing!
by the way i think you guys do a great job up there i have often seen you guys pull out the boat at the end of the day to ppup all the strugglers

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
27 Jan 2008 4:02PM
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honestly who wants 'wifebeater in a can' as a reward for saving lives.

I saw a jetskiier rescue a kiter with a bronzy coloured slingshot on last thursday. we need more of those guys around.

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
28 Jan 2008 2:07AM
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Why does eveyone knock emu export? Its a good beer. I bet you've probably never tried it. See my avatar pic, that a carton of empty export cans hanging from my pool umbrella... good times!

Export used to be the beer of choice back in the 70's and 80's you know...

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
28 Jan 2008 2:17PM
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Im not sure if you've noticed but its no longer the 70s or 80s. they've actually been over for about 20 or so years now. So to assume that beer unlike spirits does not mature in the same way is a fair assessment.

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
28 Jan 2008 4:18PM
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You know Emu Export goes nice with a slice of lime...

Caelah
WA, 319 posts
28 Jan 2008 6:14PM
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On Australia Day a beginner kiter was rescued just south of the Southport Yacht Club in Hollywell. He'd been kiting at Shearwater and had taken only one lesson where he wasn't taught how to self rescue! The winds were strong enough so that's no excuse but after the rescue he informed the guy he'd had only one lesson, he had a directional board (not ideal for a newbie!) and didn't know how to body drag...unbelievable!!! This is not a difficult kiting spot to drag to shore!!

Thankfully he was saved by a kind sailor (also a kiter) who was getting ready for a race that morning in his boat and had to jump in his mates tinny to rescue him. Can you believe this guy nearly missed his Citizenship Ceremony that afternoon!

People should be taught self rescue, how to quick release etc etc in the first lesson....make it longer and do whatever it takes to make sure that if someone has just one lesson they will have no excuses for being able to take care of themselves on the water. I was always told not to go out further than you're prepared to swim to shore :-)

Kalavas
WA, 146 posts
28 Jan 2008 6:21PM
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Gstar said...

congo abrezio said...

D.R.A.B.C.


WTF


Danger
Recovery
Airway
Breathing
Circulation

lex123
NSW, 511 posts
28 Jan 2008 10:38PM
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AS a beginner kiting on teh beaches most of the time, i find that i depend on much more experianced to keep a eye out for me while i kite. I do not purposy place myself as a burden upon them, i do my best to help myself but in some situations its just too difficult for someone of my level. This is mad specially hard in surf conditions. Situations like a board lost too far upwind to retrive or troubles getting going through constant breaks are my most common issues. I don't believe im burdening other kiters by needing a bit of a pickup and advice every now and then.

It works both ways, i have rescued many other kiters kites which had crashed in the surf before a wave could shred them..
i have helped a kiter who had lost his bored int the middle of botany bay and had body draged to shore by lending him my board to retrive his own.

It's definately a sport that requires teh support of the community. Even if your a pro you still may require a helping hand, and i think its in everybodies best interest to help out when it is required.

my 2 cents

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
29 Jan 2008 1:23AM
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i personally agree with what most of the woodies crew has been saying.. ive kited there a couple of times now and both times the crew were hell friendly and i rekn theyd help you out if you seriously needed it.

I also agree that people shouldnt kite at offshore locations without knowing how to self rescue, swim their own gear in, and upwind competently.

i personally dont see what the dilema was as you can stand pretty much everywhere you want to be kiting in the offshore side, the places you cant stand are pretty choppy anyway and therefore defeats the purpose of kiting in the butter offshore waters.

Blaster
WA, 501 posts
29 Jan 2008 2:04AM
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Oh red death, don't remind me, those hang overs where the worst.

If I ever save any of you, Corona or those new toohey's with lime are the bomb thanxs in advance.

mrbonk
NSW, 483 posts
29 Jan 2008 12:48PM
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I work on the theory that I never know when I may need a hand. As such, I'm prepared to help anyone I spot in trouble, any conditions, any time, period. If I know I'm not going to be able to do it with the kite (too light, wind shadow, whatever), I'll go get help from elsewhere if I have to.

It's disappointing to think that others would not do the same. Seems to be the growing trend in society these days though

Blownaway
QLD, 776 posts
29 Jan 2008 12:22PM
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mrbonk said...

I work on the theory that I never know when I may need a hand. As such, I'm prepared to help anyone I spot in trouble, any conditions, any time, period. If I know I'm not going to be able to do it with the kite (too light, wind shadow, whatever), I'll go get help from elsewhere if I have to.

It's disappointing to think that others would not do the same. Seems to be the growing trend in society these days though


I am with u Bonk on that one 100%.....just the other day at Noosa RM a jet ski lost power out in the waves on the far side of the river mouth an was in serious trouble, he got smashed by some good sized waves an had his hand up asking for help not that I could do anything in the dropping wind so I went for help....u wouldn't believe it the first bloke fishin in a tinny couldn't give a rats next bloke said he wasn't experienced in the surf on his jet ski,I said I was but no, not really interested either, even though I said to these blokes the guy who needs the rescue looked half drowned an that was 5 mins ago Unbelievable hey! Bloke number 3, on a jet ski no probs he is on it in a flash an all is good apart from a trashed jet ski...point is it would have been so easy for the guy to drown an then how would the first 2 people I asked feel after their feeble excuses for not wanting to help.....what if it was them??

mrbonk
NSW, 483 posts
29 Jan 2008 1:32PM
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Blownaway said...

point is it would have been so easy for the guy to drown an then how would the first 2 people I asked feel after their feeble excuses for not wanting to help.....what if it was them??


Yep, the "don't give a fk" attitude seems more and more to be the Australian way these days. It'll be a karmic nightmare for some people when their turn comes around.

DaveSpruce
WA, 568 posts
29 Jan 2008 12:55PM
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Blownaway said...

mrbonk said...

I work on the theory that I never know when I may need a hand. As such, I'm prepared to help anyone I spot in trouble, any conditions, any time, period. If I know I'm not going to be able to do it with the kite (too light, wind shadow, whatever), I'll go get help from elsewhere if I have to.

It's disappointing to think that others would not do the same. Seems to be the growing trend in society these days though


I am with u Bonk on that one 100%.....just the other day at Noosa RM a jet ski lost power out in the waves on the far side of the river mouth an was in serious trouble, he got smashed by some good sized waves an had his hand up asking for help not that I could do anything in the dropping wind so I went for help....u wouldn't believe it the first bloke fishin in a tinny couldn't give a rats next bloke said he wasn't experienced in the surf on his jet ski,I said I was but no, not really interested either, even though I said to these blokes the guy who needs the rescue looked half drowned an that was 5 mins ago Unbelievable hey! Bloke number 3, on a jet ski no probs he is on it in a flash an all is good apart from a trashed jet ski...point is it would have been so easy for the guy to drown an then how would the first 2 people I asked feel after their feeble excuses for not wanting to help.....what if it was them??




What if's is for losers. You are aware you can't turn back time or change things that have happened, so it's pretty meaningless to think "what if". What if I had gotten that job? What if I had turned right instead of left I wouldn't be in a wheelchair now. WHAT'S THE POINT?? You can't undo it anywa, what's done is done. And why would they beat themselves up for not rescuing this person it not their fault he was in trouble.

Since you're so keen on what if's, what if they go out and try to rescue him, even though they are not experianced enough, they drown too and leave ANOTHER family torn and fatherless.

bigmark100
NSW, 584 posts
29 Jan 2008 3:01PM
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As a previous poster said.... Eddie would go.
Clearly a few of you are not Eddies......

whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
29 Jan 2008 1:50PM
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I saw him, he looked OK, although in for a long swim.
Watched him till he got picked up and was safe. So someone did give a sh*&

I had my phone with me and if it was a real emergency I would of called the Water Police.

If you are in REAL trouble and want assistance wave your arm/s above your head in a slow and deliberate manner. Then a planned rescue can be started.

Stay safe

Blownaway
QLD, 776 posts
30 Jan 2008 8:54AM
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DaveSpruce said...

Blownaway said...

mrbonk said...

I work on the theory that I never know when I may need a hand. As such, I'm prepared to help anyone I spot in trouble, any conditions, any time, period. If I know I'm not going to be able to do it with the kite (too light, wind shadow, whatever), I'll go get help from elsewhere if I have to.

It's disappointing to think that others would not do the same. Seems to be the growing trend in society these days though


I am with u Bonk on that one 100%.....just the other day at Noosa RM a jet ski lost power out in the waves on the far side of the river mouth an was in serious trouble, he got smashed by some good sized waves an had his hand up asking for help not that I could do anything in the dropping wind so I went for help....u wouldn't believe it the first bloke fishin in a tinny couldn't give a rats next bloke said he wasn't experienced in the surf on his jet ski,I said I was but no, not really interested either, even though I said to these blokes the guy who needs the rescue looked half drowned an that was 5 mins ago Unbelievable hey! Bloke number 3, on a jet ski no probs he is on it in a flash an all is good apart from a trashed jet ski...point is it would have been so easy for the guy to drown an then how would the first 2 people I asked feel after their feeble excuses for not wanting to help.....what if it was them??




What if's is for losers. You are aware you can't turn back time or change things that have happened, so it's pretty meaningless to think "what if". What if I had gotten that job? What if I had turned right instead of left I wouldn't be in a wheelchair now. WHAT'S THE POINT?? You can't undo it anywa, what's done is done. And why would they beat themselves up for not rescuing this person it not their fault he was in trouble.

Since you're so keen on what if's, what if they go out and try to rescue him, even though they are not experianced enough, they drown too and leave ANOTHER family torn and fatherless.



Dave since your so keen on talking s... about something that happened in a situation you no nothing aboutWHATS THE POINT? u say?....Point is it was a real easy rescue for anyone with a motorized craft an a boat license to prove they are at least half competent to operate the thing

The only Loser involved is the bloke drowning,who also happens to be the"POINT" of conversation too but I guess you missed that

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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30 Jan 2008 1:07PM
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whippingboy said...

I saw him, he looked OK, although in for a long swim.
Watched him till he got picked up and was safe. So someone did give a sh*&

I had my phone with me and if it was a real emergency I would of called the Water Police.

If you are in REAL trouble and want assistance wave your arm/s above your head in a slow and deliberate manner. Then a planned rescue can be started.

Stay safe



Whipping Boy has hit the nail on the head. As a rescuer, I must assume that if the kite is down in the water and the rider is with the gear, they are sorting themselves out and do not require assistance. The nationally (internationally?) recognised distress signal is one hand waving above your head. Unless we see this, we assume all is well. If we do see this signal, then it's no questions asked, action stations and a rescue is underway immediately.

We usually keep an eye on all kiters with downed kites and do not react until they are either a) being dragged quickly offshore and are more than 200m out or b) they wave their arm for help, or c) look in an obvious panicked state with an out of control kite.

Often there are some people so dumb or ignorant they will go out in ballistically over powered conditions/severely underpowered conditions or when it is offshore and gusty despite being told be several experienced kiters not to rig up. These people do not deserve to be rescued and perhaps ditching their kite and losing it is the wake up call they need to learn a harsh lesson.

I believe all kiters pretty much look out for each other whilst they are out there and no one would deliberately turn a blind eye to someone in obvious distress. There are probably only 40% of kiters capable of performing a rescue in good conditions and maybe only 10% able to help rescue in marginal conditions.

In offshore woodies in marginal conditions, a rescue attempt would have ended up as two kiters needing rescue. Calling the water police annoys the cops. A mate of mine is in the water police and they get a LOT of calls to rescue kiters in distress. Usually because the kiter overestimated their ability and underestimated the conditions and usually have no idea on self rescue. Want to give kiting a bad name with the authorities? Then keep calling the cops to rescue people who should be able to look after themselves.

If you are not sure how to self rescue, come and see us at Pinnaroo Point any windy day and we will teach you, or if you come to Kitestock, we will run a self rescue clinic. Learn to save your own bacon and we'll all have a lot less stress.

Good winds,







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