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Noob and thinking of heading out?

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Created by Kitehard > 9 months ago, 14 Aug 2009
Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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14 Aug 2009 10:13PM
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Hi to all the noobs!

A PM to me from a frothing young grom tonight asking whether I think he should go out in tomorrows winds, got me to thinking after I had replied, and it urged me to make this post. Read on McNoob!

To anyone who is new (less than 12 months experience = NOOB ) to this sport and who is amping to get out for a ride, maybe have a read on and take in a few words from someone who's been around a bit and lived to ride again.

Please kindly note, The term "Noob" or "Noobie" is not a derogatory term, but a fun/humourous colloquialism used to describe people new and inexperienced at any chosen endeavour. edit (added for the acutely sensitive).

I love riding big storms and heavy conditions and sometimes you may see guys out riding that make it look really easy and heaps of fun, it probably is .... if you have the experience and skills. I urge you to think seriously before heading out. Consider these points.

1. Winter (cold) winds are more dense than warm winds so for a given wind speed, your kite will produce more power in cold winds than in the same windspeed in warm winds. The difference can be quite noticeable.

2. Non convectional winds (not seabreezes) or frontal winds, are not smooth. They are usually very gusty and can vary significantly in force and direction. You can expect gusts to be up to 50% stronger than the average windspeed.

3. Seabreeze and BOM give forecasts of expected AVERAGE wind speeds, not the maximum gust strength, so anticipate the potential 50% stronger spikes in wind speed, especially in squalls.

4. Watch for squalls and rain fronts. These are easily identified by dark rain clouds at low altitude approaching rapidly from the direction of the wind. Often a curtain of rain will smudge out the horizon. These fronts or squalls can radically change direction of the wind for short periods of time (5 min to 1/2 hour or longer). It can be safe and fun between the squalls, but it is best to land and wait out the squalls if not 100% confident, even then, head away from land.

5. Squalls can increase wind strength by 100% ie 20 knots becomes 40 knots in a matter of less than a minute. Keep your eyes on the approaching weather, it comes on quickly at times! I've seen total grey out conditions and horizontal torrential rain stinging your face so hard it hurts and reducing visibility to 50m. Bring your kite down low and release to safety on the beach. If on the water, keep kite low and drop it into the water on the edge of the wind window and keep a little tension on the back lines to prevent inversion.

6. Be very careful of lofting accidents when near high sloped banks along the waters edge like Cottesloe, Mullaloo, etc. Strong gusts in onshore conditions can be deadly <insert Miami Kevin video here> . If necessary, release the kite to safety, forget self landing.

7. Use a flagging safety leash and dependable safety system, suicide leash setups are inappropriate for winter conditions when approaching the beach or launching. Accidents happen quickly on land so be ready to dump to flagging safety at all times on terra firma.

8. Make sure ambition does not over ride ability. You'll get to ride again sooner if you aren't recovering from injury.

9. Carry out a close inspection on your bar and lines and any pulleys and bridle lines on your kite BEFORE you launch. People have been badly injured by lines or parts failing in close proximity to land. Imagine you are about to water start 5m from the beach in 30 knots of cold wind when your starboard steering line snaps and your kite loops towards the beach. This has happened more than you think

One of the things that differentiates a Noob from an experienced rider is the knowledge of weather conditions and personal ability and the wise evaluation of both. Knowing when to ride and when to watch is key to survival in these conditions. The decision to not ride will often hold you in higher regard in the eyes of experienced riders than getting out there with your 12m bow and showing us you can handle it.

At the end of the day, the decision is yours. Assess the conditions and listen to your intuition, if you don't feel 110% right, sit and watch. Remember someone loves you and wants you to come home in one piece.

Good winds and safe riding to anyone riding in the BIG winds of winter.

Cheers,

Kitehard (AKS)

Fooosh
WA, 563 posts
14 Aug 2009 11:22PM
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"It's after my third summer and I've only just gone out in winter."

I'd add that if you're finding it hard to stay upwind, four things make it even harder in winter:
1. The stronger currents (normally down wind) along the beach,
2. Having to go downwind more (to get out past the larger break, when you lose your board, etc),
3. The irregular wind and waves (harder to point and edge upwind), and
4. The wind is coming from a different direction (generally NW or onshore) to what you're used to and may also be changeable.

In the NWesterly: Can you also set up your kite and lines the 'wrong' way up the (generally smaller) beach

I try to go with a friend and tell someone where I am.

Deserted car parks = higher risk of car break ins

...oh, and keep an eye out for lightning

Aiolus
NSW, 102 posts
15 Aug 2009 10:11AM
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Well written, this should be posted in Articles section too for future reference ...

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
15 Aug 2009 8:56AM
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agree
You just gotta know your limitations and kite within them

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
15 Aug 2009 9:05AM
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Plus choose the right sized kite, it is better to be underpowered than overpowered in these sort of conditions.

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
15 Aug 2009 12:23PM
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Aiolus said...

Well written, this should be posted in Articles section too for future reference ...


^^^ What he said! ^^^^^

iPump
WA, 27 posts
15 Aug 2009 11:19AM
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Well done Darren, great advice to keep our sport out of the news
for all the wrong reasons!

I would recommend you take a small trainer kite to the beach
and feel how easy the wind picks up in the gusts !

It's the best way to keep you out the water when your skills are not up
to the conditions!

theDoctor
NSW, 5785 posts
15 Aug 2009 3:13PM
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...deadset p00fs, the lot of you

VB MAN
1156 posts
15 Aug 2009 4:57PM
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Well said Darren. And may I throw in some of my own experiences to force this fact through to noobies (no offence) of the dangers of winter kiting.

1. $4000 plus for bursted eardrum (got thrown ito back of wave)+ loss of time at work $3000

2. 4 times cracked ribs (being a bricklayer at the time meant I couldn't work) loss of earings all up around $10,000.

3. Got lofted onto beach in an onshore, landed on hard packed sand, seriously bruised my right heel, coud barely walk or work for three months.$ cost EPIC.

All up, the cost of kiting equipment is somewot didly to the cost of being foolish.

Hey, I've got great stories to tell, but I would prefer ( in hindsight) that I had not gone out on those particular days, and waited for better conditions than dealing with the financial/ physical and emotional stress this has caused me.

Take it easy in the wintter winds dudes

Grommit
WA, 34 posts
15 Aug 2009 6:39PM
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Cheers for that Darren, I didn't end up going out today the weather was too bad and I didn't want to risk it this close to the season starting and it was hailing on and off. I went to the bike jumps instead and stayed on land!! Had maccas for lunch, just got home now.

cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
15 Aug 2009 7:27PM
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just came back from a fun session.... although couple of mates got spanked from a major gust so i popped on here to see what the wind was like, one ended up flying 20 meters onto the beach.... check out the graph at 3.30ish round abouts !







i was trying to walk back upwind when i saw it coming so dropped the kite onto the 5th line... first time in 3 years of winter kiting i have seen a gust come in like that... amazing!

both are ok after a few vodkies ! hopefully tomorow it will settle down a little!

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
15 Aug 2009 9:06PM
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The main things you need to go out in35kts +winter gusts 57kts is,

Life insurance
Income protection
Third party insurance, property and health
Health insurance
Spare cash to replase shreaded kites and lost boards if it all goes to $hit.
A flight recorder to prove you boosted 60ft high
Video footage with wind meter for proof and youtube fame.
About 4 spare kiters to hold you and your kite while on the beach and for rescue when it goes wrong. Call an Ambulance, Take your car home. etc
Big ass balls.[}:)]

but could be a lot of fun




SaveTheWhales
WA, 1896 posts
15 Aug 2009 8:14PM
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VB Man

Good to hear your startin to Harden The F. U

Knitting sounds like your calling but your record so far... me thinks youll end up Poking ya eye out

James
WA, 549 posts
15 Aug 2009 9:19PM
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VB MAN said...

Well said Darren. And may I throw in some of my own experiences to force this fact through to noobies (no offence) of the dangers of winter kiting.

1. $4000 plus for bursted eardrum (got thrown ito back of wave)+ loss of time at work $3000

2. 4 times cracked ribs (being a bricklayer at the time meant I couldn't work) loss of earings all up around $10,000.

3. Got lofted onto beach in an onshore, landed on hard packed sand, seriously bruised my right heel, coud barely walk or work for three months.$ cost EPIC.

All up, the cost of kiting equipment is somewot didly to the cost of being foolish.

Hey, I've got great stories to tell, but I would prefer ( in hindsight) that I had not gone out on those particular days, and waited for better conditions than dealing with the financial/ physical and emotional stress this has caused me.

Take it easy in the wintter winds dudes


Before I read all this , I thought the greatest tragedy in your life was your taste in beer.

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
16 Aug 2009 12:21AM
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if i was thinking of taking up a new sport of any kind,

and someone who could already do it and i didn't know from a bar of soap referred to me as a "noob"

i would tell them to stick their learned opinion up their arse.

just an observation in ettiquette.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
16 Aug 2009 2:09PM
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Thanks for the lesson in ettiquette.

WTF would you sugest in a forum we use describe a kiters ability. seeing as a lot of us dont know the person or there skill level.

The less than average kiter
The guy that sucks
FNG
the learners
less than amature
kiter with no skill

I think noob is on the money and people that fall in to that catogry know who they are and arenot ofended by the term.

just my two cents worth.

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
16 Aug 2009 12:55PM
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It wasnt really that great yesterday anyway
In fact it was quite sh!t

SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
16 Aug 2009 2:40PM
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poor relative said...

It wasnt really that great yesterday anyway
In fact it was quite sh!t


Beg to differ

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
16 Aug 2009 3:29PM
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SammyJ said...

Beg to differ


Hahahahaha
I was thinkin of you fellas yesterday imagining that spot, would have been all time.
Bet it was full tho?

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
16 Aug 2009 4:01PM
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waxman said...

Thanks for the lesson in ettiquette.

WTF would you sugest in a forum we use describe a kiters ability.


Beginner?...... you noob.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
16 Aug 2009 8:14PM
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greenleader said...

if i was thinking of taking up a new sport of any kind,

and someone who could already do it and i didn't know from a bar of soap referred to me as a "noob"

i would tell them to stick their learned opinion up their arse.

just an observation in ettiquette.


Right-on Greenboss. ^^^

Of course the term 'n00b' is short for newbie.
Newcomers to a sport, any sport...are newbies.
But n00b comes across as slightly derogatory when being thrown around by the so-called expert.
Personally I don't like the word.
It has a negative bent, it's slightly degrading.
I prefer the term 'newbie' when used in the polite form.
When I'm not being so polite, kook is a good name for an individual who is clueless in his chosen activity.
I mean, clueless to the point of being dangerous to other folks doing the same activity.
Gumbies on the other hand are another breed and are just ranked above kooks.
Of course kitef.a.g.s are scum-sucking bottom feeders.

Fooosh
WA, 563 posts
16 Aug 2009 9:08PM
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Grommit said...

Cheers for that Darren, I didn't end up going out today the weather was too bad and I didn't want to risk it this close to the season starting and it was hailing on and off. I went to the bike jumps instead and stayed on land!! Had maccas for lunch, just got home now.


Wonder which was more dangerous? [}:)][}:)] Well, at least there wasn't another kitemare headline. Hepatic lipidosis doesn't quite make the same impact.


..but seriously, look forward to seeing you out there in summer grommit... and shredding!!

airhead
WA, 814 posts
17 Aug 2009 10:26AM
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poor relative said...

SammyJ said...

Beg to differ


Hahahahaha
I was thinkin of you fellas yesterday imagining that spot, would have been all time.
Bet it was full tho?


Only one other kiter when I got there mid AM



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