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No discounts on 2014 gear?

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Created by Big eeeZeee > 9 months ago, 18 Aug 2013
Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
18 Aug 2013 4:11PM
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I heard a rumour that some kite companies aren't allowing distributors to discount any of their 2014 range at all. Anyone heard anything similar? They can't be serious...

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
18 Aug 2013 4:20PM
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How exactly would they be able to stop your local store from giving you a few bucks off?????

Plummet
4862 posts
18 Aug 2013 2:32PM
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Its called price fixing and illegal.

Dl33ta
TAS, 462 posts
18 Aug 2013 8:14PM
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Purty sure no kite company is going to care how much a retailer takes a hit on their margin, the more kites they have on the water the better. Good way to set customer expectation on negotiation though. And as plummet says if all the kite companies/retailers have agreed to no discounting the ACCC will be doing nightlies with Tracey on a current affair!

towradgi
NSW, 431 posts
18 Aug 2013 9:05PM
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What a lot of crap ,shop buys at wholesale ,has a r.r.price,sells at any price shop wants.Different shops have different overhead costs.A.C.C.C.is a fkn toothless pussy....and historically a failed entity on its track records .What happens at back end of season when 2014stuff is superseeded ,price is?

warwickl
NSW, 2357 posts
18 Aug 2013 10:20PM
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Do a search and you will find huge fines have been made on companies and Directors for this very specific type of price fixing.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
18 Aug 2013 9:12PM
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shops pay what the distributor charges simple,i personally know of shops that havnt been able to match an overseas price approach a distributor to then have his price reduced to match that os price, but only as a one off.
The aussie distributors wont like this but imo its why we pay more for our kites compared to say europe who go direct,imo the shops take all the risks and if given the chance would love to deal direct and give the distributor the flick, the are distributors out there who are retailing the gear so what chance has your shop got when hes competing against his supplier, but out of the goodness of his heart he then helps him when approached

Rails
QLD, 1371 posts
18 Aug 2013 11:24PM
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Um, 2013 still
I want 2014 discounts?
Be happy with what you've got I reckon
If your good enough you'll get it for zip

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
18 Aug 2013 9:39PM
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Rails said..

Um, 2013 still
I want 2014 discounts?
Be happy with what you've got I reckon
If your good enough you'll get it for zip


i got some wipika 2005s for free

the walks
WA, 448 posts
18 Aug 2013 9:55PM
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Get a grip guys and gals
Do you all give a discount because its a new year on your income
it is what it is, if you don't like it wait for the end of year sales
P.s. anyone want any plastering done in 2020 ? i'm charging 2019 pricers

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
18 Aug 2013 10:23PM
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the walks said..

Get a grip guys and gals
Do you all give a discount because its a new year on your income
it is what it is, if you don't like it wait for the end of year sales
P.s. anyone want any plastering done in 2020 ? i'm charging 2019 pricers


i need a bit of texture coating doing like last year

Rails
QLD, 1371 posts
19 Aug 2013 7:34AM
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cauncy said...
Rails said..

Um, 2013 still
I want 2014 discounts?
Be happy with what you've got I reckon
If your good enough you'll get it for zip


i got some wipika 2005s for free


Reckon that's about my level

the walks
WA, 448 posts
19 Aug 2013 6:58AM
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cauncy said..

the walks said..

Get a grip guys and gals
Do you all give a discount because its a new year on your income
it is what it is, if you don't like it wait for the end of year sales
P.s. anyone want any plastering done in 2020 ? i'm charging 2019 pricers


i need a bit of texture coating doing like last year


2012 prices for u Mike

Fecal
VIC, 54 posts
19 Aug 2013 7:24PM
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Why haven't any of the retailers commented on this topic?

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
19 Aug 2013 11:22PM
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anyone pre-ordered 2014 gear and got a discount?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
19 Aug 2013 10:46PM
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Big eeeZeee said..

anyone pre-ordered 2014 gear and got a discount?


apparently gero surf and sail are doing a good discount on norths 2014

James
WA, 549 posts
19 Aug 2013 11:16PM
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cauncy said..


i got some wipika 2005s for free


I'd pay a carton for an 11,2 Airblast

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
19 Aug 2013 11:40PM
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cauncy said..

Big eeeZeee said..

anyone pre-ordered 2014 gear and got a discount?


apparently gero surf and sail are doing a good discount on norths 2014


Yeah it's a buy 1 board get you next 10 free on manufacturers warranty kinda deal

Hobie1463
SA, 449 posts
20 Aug 2013 5:45PM
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Our local store Onboard Surf were offering 10% discount on pre order 2014 kites.

terryzarmzof
QLD, 336 posts
20 Aug 2013 6:19PM
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If you go to the right shop u will always get a discount. Maybe you are referring to the fact that all kite manufacturers have put up their prices or RRP this year by at least ten percent?

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
20 Aug 2013 6:42PM
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terryzarmzof said..

If you go to the right shop u will always get a discount. Maybe you are referring to the fact that all kite manufacturers have put up their prices or RRP this year by at least ten percent?


yeah some shops put 10% extra on eveything then give you a 10% discount to make you feel special, even though they don't know you

kungfupete
VIC, 149 posts
23 Aug 2013 11:27AM
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I can see it both ways I guess. If you've been buying from the same store for years, and get no discount I can see how you are going to be disappointed.

On the other hand, new release gear usually sells at full price to most as its the 1st of. Its kind of the only time retailers can sell gear at full price if you are not a newbi. I thought that was pretty standard. If you wait a couple months you are sure to get a discount, or shop around and demo a few kites. You might find you like something better, and can get a good deal on.

default
WA, 1255 posts
25 Aug 2013 10:07AM
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Big eeeZeee said...
anyone pre-ordered 2014 gear and got a discount?


Yeah I have been offered a discount on a 2014 board on pre order

ScarbsSUP
WA, 354 posts
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25 Aug 2013 11:59AM
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Hi Peeps,

There is no collusion of brand reps, shops or brands conspiring or dictating prices. All kites come with recommended Retail Prices (RRP). When a new model comes out, it is when it is most in demand, so it is the best opportunity for a retailer to get a good price or the recommended price.

When a new car is released, you will not get a discount. Discounts usually start later in the life of that particular model or just before it is superceded by a newer model. If you are after a better price, wait for the gear to go on sale at the end of the season. It's still a new kite with excellent performance, you just get it a bit cheaper.

If you want discounts on gear, form a relationship with your favourite retailer. Almost all of us offer discounts to customers who stick with us, it's simple, we support those who support us. We have customers who get regular deals on everything they buy after we know them and see that they continue buying from us. The more a customer spends with us over the years, we want to repay the loyalty and they are the first customers who come to mind when we have special offers, special events, giveaways, or we hook them with special stuff like film or TV opportunities etc or whatever else may come along. Often these customers become "shop riders" and eventually stop paying for gear.

We stay back after hours to help customers running late, give them preference when it comes to repairs, bar tuning and will even open up the shop on days off if they are in emergency situations. On warranty issues, we often loan boards and kites to keep our best customers on the water. We sometimes loan kites specialist kites or boards for customers going away to destinations where their normal gear isn't ideal. This happens more often than most of you know in our shop.

Our best customers get bits and pieces for free and at cost from time to time. It's all about relationships. Generally, the person always looking for the cheapest price has no loyalty to anyone as they go from shop to shop looking for the cheapest deal. We are not interested in rewarding this type of customer as they will go elsewhere to save a dollar to anyone who drops their price a little further. How far out of our way do you think a retailer will go when a customer comes in with a warranty issue with a board or kite they bought online?

Kite retailers are no different to any other retailer. We are small businesses with overheads and fixed costs. I don't know a single kite retailer driving an expensive car or living in a posh suburb. The lowest paid mine worker earns more than most retailers, without the headaches and stress. No one goes in and asks coles or Woolies to give them a discount. On pay day would you give your boss a discount on your wage? Think about it...

Try supporting your retailer and you'll see that they in turn will support you. It ain't rocket science!

DM


Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
25 Aug 2013 2:20PM
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The opportunity for discount on 2014 gear was pre-orders. Now you'll have to wait for the initial supply to die down

iandvnt
QLD, 581 posts
25 Aug 2013 4:22PM
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Discounting in kite industry exists for a few reasons, mostly because it is a difficult industry to start with, plus it is oversupplied with very similar products. Love it when I see such huge fines for price fixing in paper.

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
25 Aug 2013 2:59PM
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any other retailers want some red thumbs

eppo
WA, 9733 posts
25 Aug 2013 3:51PM
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ScarbsSUP said..

Hi Peeps,

There is no collusion of brand reps, shops or brands conspiring or dictating prices. All kites come with recommended Retail Prices (RRP). When a new model comes out, it is when it is most in demand, so it is the best opportunity for a retailer to get a good price or the recommended price.

When a new car is released, you will not get a discount. Discounts usually start later in the life of that particular model or just before it is superceded by a newer model. If you are after a better price, wait for the gear to go on sale at the end of the season. It's still a new kite with excellent performance, you just get it a bit cheaper.

If you want discounts on gear, form a relationship with your favourite retailer. Almost all of us offer discounts to customers who stick with us, it's simple, we support those who support us. We have customers who get regular deals on everything they buy after we know them and see that they continue buying from us. The more a customer spends with us over the years, we want to repay the loyalty and they are the first customers who come to mind when we have special offers, special events, giveaways, or we hook them with special stuff like film or TV opportunities etc or whatever else may come along. Often these customers become "shop riders" and eventually stop paying for gear.

We stay back after hours to help customers running late, give them preference when it comes to repairs, bar tuning and will even open up the shop on days off if they are in emergency situations. On warranty issues, we often loan boards and kites to keep our best customers on the water. We sometimes loan kites specialist kites or boards for customers going away to destinations where their normal gear isn't ideal. This happens more often than most of you know in our shop.

Our best customers get bits and pieces for free and at cost from time to time. It's all about relationships. Generally, the person always looking for the cheapest price has no loyalty to anyone as they go from shop to shop looking for the cheapest deal. We are not interested in rewarding this type of customer as they will go elsewhere to save a dollar to anyone who drops their price a little further. How far out of our way do you think a retailer will go when a customer comes in with a warranty issue with a board or kite they bought online?

Kite retailers are no different to any other retailer. We are small businesses with overheads and fixed costs. I don't know a single kite retailer driving an expensive car or living in a posh suburb. The lowest paid mine worker earns more than most retailers, without the headaches and stress. No one goes in and asks coles or Woolies to give them a discount. On pay day would you give your boss a discount on your wage? Think about it...

Try supporting your retailer and you'll see that they in turn will support you. It ain't rocket science!

DM







Red thumbs hey. Sounds a reasonable and logical argument to me? You wonder why experienced guys like DM stop posting on this forum. We all lose and are left with twits commenting on gear that have no Farqin idea. This leaves new guys with stupid information I read all the time.

Anyhow rant over...

Subculture
443 posts
25 Aug 2013 7:51PM
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eppo said..

ScarbsSUP said..

Hi Peeps,

There is no collusion of brand reps, shops or brands conspiring or dictating prices. All kites come with recommended Retail Prices (RRP). When a new model comes out, it is when it is most in demand, so it is the best opportunity for a retailer to get a good price or the recommended price.

When a new car is released, you will not get a discount. Discounts usually start later in the life of that particular model or just before it is superceded by a newer model. If you are after a better price, wait for the gear to go on sale at the end of the season. It's still a new kite with excellent performance, you just get it a bit cheaper.

If you want discounts on gear, form a relationship with your favourite retailer. Almost all of us offer discounts to customers who stick with us, it's simple, we support those who support us. We have customers who get regular deals on everything they buy after we know them and see that they continue buying from us. The more a customer spends with us over the years, we want to repay the loyalty and they are the first customers who come to mind when we have special offers, special events, giveaways, or we hook them with special stuff like film or TV opportunities etc or whatever else may come along. Often these customers become "shop riders" and eventually stop paying for gear.

We stay back after hours to help customers running late, give them preference when it comes to repairs, bar tuning and will even open up the shop on days off if they are in emergency situations. On warranty issues, we often loan boards and kites to keep our best customers on the water. We sometimes loan kites specialist kites or boards for customers going away to destinations where their normal gear isn't ideal. This happens more often than most of you know in our shop.

Our best customers get bits and pieces for free and at cost from time to time. It's all about relationships. Generally, the person always looking for the cheapest price has no loyalty to anyone as they go from shop to shop looking for the cheapest deal. We are not interested in rewarding this type of customer as they will go elsewhere to save a dollar to anyone who drops their price a little further. How far out of our way do you think a retailer will go when a customer comes in with a warranty issue with a board or kite they bought online?

Kite retailers are no different to any other retailer. We are small businesses with overheads and fixed costs. I don't know a single kite retailer driving an expensive car or living in a posh suburb. The lowest paid mine worker earns more than most retailers, without the headaches and stress. No one goes in and asks coles or Woolies to give them a discount. On pay day would you give your boss a discount on your wage? Think about it...

Try supporting your retailer and you'll see that they in turn will support you. It ain't rocket science!

DM







Red thumbs hey. Sounds a reasonable and logical argument to me? You wonder why experienced guys like DM stop posting on this forum. We all lose and are left with twits commenting on gear that have no Farqin idea. This leaves new guys with stupid information I read all the time.

Anyhow rant over...


Dammit Eppo, you made me log in and post! I was trying not to this year

Well said - both of you!



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