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Naish 2008 bar

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Created by dzincha > 9 months ago, 28 Jul 2013
dzincha
WA, 11 posts
28 Jul 2013 8:15PM
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Hi,
I've got used helix from 2008 and with bar which has pulleys.

In local forum i read that bars with pulleys don't give enough info from kite to bar.
Is it so or it is just subjective opinion?
Is that bar ok for newer kites for example envy '12 year? Is it ok that one bar is for 14m and 9m? Somewhere i saw that below 10m2 it should be narrower.

borntokite
27 posts
28 Jul 2013 8:22PM
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Hang that bar on your wall as an heirloom.........Used bars are cheap... get a newer model......

stuntnaz
NSW, 540 posts
28 Jul 2013 11:04PM
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That bar in the picture is in 1 in 1 set up so the pulleys are pointless there not even doing there job .

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
29 Jul 2013 1:26PM
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It's not set up to make use of the pulleys that is true, but all it takes is for you to move the loops off the knots on the lines at Point 9 and attach them to the pigtails up at points 1 & 2.

My first kite was a 2007 Naish Boxer that was initially set up 2:1 - The theory was you got twice the depower for half the bar throw. Unfortunately the bar pressure was huge as a result and a small input on the bar led to a twitchy kite. Putting it 1:1 made a huge difference in my learning curve as small inputs to the bar weren't leading to the kite turning as quickly - handy when the water start was still a bit of a challenge.

One of the theories on Naish using it was with the increased depower on 2:1 they weren't setting themselves up for liability suits due to n00bs getting smashed on the beach even when they dropped the bar.

It's true that around the time Naish used to use a shorter bar for their smaller kites but I used my 12 m bar on a 9 m Helix with no dramas.

You can use that bar on any 4 line kite where the front and back line lengths need to be the same length when the bar is pulled up hard to the chicken loop (Which is pretty much every 4 line kite).

The way you have that bar set up is in "freestyle" mode (mini 5th line - point 5). If you pull the chicken loop the kite doesn't flag to one line - which makes sense if you are doing unhooked moves and dropping the bar a lot. Otherwise your leash is meant to attach to the loop at Point 1 and to a little loop you attach to the spreader bar. The leash is meant to be under a bit of tension (elasticated) so it doesn't end up wrapping around the end of the bar, putting tension one of the back lines and sending you into death loops, which was the real design flaw associated with it. It also meant if you looped the kite (either in the air or on the water relaunching) you ended up with the leash twisting up with the depower lines, which could limit your bar travel. Now the flagging line runs down through the bar and onto the chicken loop so you don't have this issue.

I liked the above-the-bar depower on this bar - it's easy to adjust compared to the below the bar systems but I still prefer my 2012 Naish Bar overall.

My advice would be to leave it how it is, and maybe change it back to the flagging option rather than the mini 5th setup - or, get a new bar.





dzincha
WA, 11 posts
31 Jul 2013 3:16AM
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Thanks for answers.
So the pulleys on the bar in 1:1 setup don't make kite feel delayed or weird?
Now i am looking for newer used bars for replacement:
1) North Trust Bar Quad Control 2010 - is it 5 or 4 line? Quad says for 4. Will it be compatible with helix kite?
2)CORE SENSOR bar 2010 - seller says that it is compitable only with core kites.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
31 Jul 2013 12:43PM
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dzincha said..

Thanks for answers.
So the pulleys on the bar in 1:1 setup don't make kite feel delayed or weird?
Now i am looking for newer used bars for replacement:
1) North Trust Bar Quad Control 2010 - is it 5 or 4 line? Quad says for 4. Will it be compatible with helix kite?
2)CORE SENSOR bar 2010 - seller says that it is compitable only with core kites.


Pulleys don't do anything in 1:1 setup.

North 4 line bars are compatible with Naish kites.

I'd hunt down a newer Naish bar - they work well on the Helix kites.

DANEgerous
VIC, 253 posts
31 Jul 2013 1:25PM
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dzincha said..

Thanks for answers.
So the pulleys on the bar in 1:1 setup don't make kite feel delayed or weird?


No. IMHO 2:1 makes the kite feel heavy and rubbish.

dzincha
WA, 11 posts
11 Aug 2013 9:39PM
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Now i got a different problem.
When i drive and it is marginal wind - everything is ok, but when there are coming gusts- kite pulls bar from hands so then i drive in one hand. For example if right leg goes first, then left hand is keeping bar and right is free.
I measured depower line between safety release and bar = 70 cm and there is no stopper. So i guess maybe to put stopper or not?
Or just get newer bar - on offer there are 12 year LF and 09 year best bar. But then the bar lines should be readjusted to helix 14 m2? And if i want to use it for envy 9m then again readjust needed? Can be different brand kites driven with one bar??

paradigm
VIC, 53 posts
12 Aug 2013 1:08PM
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as long as you ask all your questions the right way, the answer will always be yes.



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