Increased bar pressure has its advantages , you start out with lighter settings the preferred choice for better kite control ..... heavy/max settings for more advanced feel and balance,
what works best for you?
What the heck makes bar pressure ?
It's such a mystery.
I know there are various attachment points at the wing-tip that you can choose from to change the pressure ,,,
and of course different bridle designs have their own effect on pressure ,,,
but it's always been black magic for me.
lol.
Here's my take
Go out hit a petite office chick up
Bring her home for a knuckle shuffle
Next night hit up a fat chick that labours on a building site
It's a bit like that
Isn't bar pressure dependant on canopy depth ie shallower canopies have heavier steering ie less leverage to steer? Cnopy shape im sure effects it im sure!
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
Next night hit up a fat chick that labours on a building site
It's a bit like that
You are not meant to hit your misses any more.
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Isn't bar pressure dependant on canopy depth ie shallower canopies have heavier steering ie less leverage to steer? Cnopy shape im sure effects it im sure!
Your are correct just not explaining it very well.
We need pen and paper to explain but I can not be bothered.
Every kites going to have a diferent amount of loading on each line but for sake of avoiding confusion lets say they are all the same. Now all you need to do and this is where the wingtip settings come into play is change the chord depth and thus the loading it also has alot to do with the curviture of the kite aswell when it comes to loading the lines.
Could be looked at as a fulcrum.
The closer the front lines are to the trailing edge the less force applied to the rear lines.Yep would be easier with a pic.
The less bar pressure the better for me!... But my right wrist is a bits stuffed from too many crashes on the mountain bike......
yeah, yeah que the wanking jokes......
But I guess some bar pressure is good for gust management. Feel the increased pressured In the gust let the bar out.
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The less bar pressure the better for me!... But my right wrist is a bits stuffed from too many crashes on the mountain bike......
yeah, yeah que the wanking jokes......
But I guess some bar pressure is good for gust management. Feel the increased pressured In the gust let the bar out.
Kiwis dont hurt theyre wrists wanking.
They hurt theyre wrists helping the sheep over the fence
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
Here's my take
Go out hit a petite office chick up
Bring her home for a knuckle shuffle
Next night hit up a fat chick that labours on a building site
It's a bit like that
so you"re the one with the 'no fat chicks' sticker on the back of your ute!?
I prefer slightly more bar pressure so I can feel the wind more and it helps me in ligt wind riding.
Select to expand quoteLoftywinds said..
cauncy said..
Here's my take
Go out hit a petite office chick up
Bring her home for a knuckle shuffle
Next night hit up a fat chick that labours on a building site
It's a bit like that
so you"re the one with the 'no fat chicks' sticker on the back of your ute!?
I prefer slightly more bar pressure so I can feel the wind more and it helps me in ligt wind riding.
ahh... just felt the wind
I also like a bit more bar pressure. Helps me to feel gusts and edge harder accordingly or let the bar out a bit. Also a good workout for the forearms
Lighter the better,
Still stuck on 2011 and 2012 kites.
As every other kite I have purchased it heavy as sh!!.
Current kites
2012 9 and 11 Peter lynn fury
2011 ozone edge 13
I HATE HEAVY BAR PRESSURE.!!!
Starting to think heavy bar pressure is the new trend.
Damn you kite designers.
Light bar pressure = no feeling of where the kite is.
More bar pressure = more feeling of where the kite is.
If you're just cruising hooked in light bar pressure will suffice.
If you want to progress (especially un-hooked), bar pressure is your best friend.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said...
Light bar pressure = no feeling of where the kite is.
More bar pressure = more feeling of where the kite is.
If you're just cruising hooked in light bar pressure will suffice.
If you want to progress (especially un-hooked), bar pressure is your best friend.
BINGO..... my thoughts also, more bar pressure gives a better feel for where the kite is... helping with better balance/control.
Select to expand quoteGreenarrowz said...sir ROWDY said...
Light bar pressure = no feeling of where the kite is.
More bar pressure = more feeling of where the kite is.
If you're just cruising hooked in light bar pressure will suffice.
If you want to progress (especially un-hooked), bar pressure is your best friend.
BINGO..... my thoughts also, more bar pressure gives a better feel for where the kite is... helping with better balance/control.
Depends how ham fisted you are I guess. I can get good feel from my light bar pressure kites.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..Greenarrowz said...sir ROWDY said...
Light bar pressure = no feeling of where the kite is.
More bar pressure = more feeling of where the kite is.
If you're just cruising hooked in light bar pressure will suffice.
If you want to progress (especially un-hooked), bar pressure is your best friend.
BINGO..... my thoughts also, more bar pressure gives a better feel for where the kite is... helping with better balance/control.
Depends how ham fisted you are I guess. I can get good feel from my light bar pressure kites.
Yes you can, but it's not more or as much as if you had a heavier bar pressure. That's the point I was making.
I like the feel of light bar pressure when riding toe side controlling/turning the kite with one hand in the middle of the bar.
Good for the wrist action.
I don't care about bar pressure really. As long as the kite turns fast!
The faster the better.
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
Here's my take
Go out hit a petite office chick up
Bring her home for a knuckle shuffle
Next night hit up a fat chick that labours on a building site
It's a bit like that
Farken hilarious! Cheers for the laugh. Great call.
Rowdy already said it and covered it. If you want to be able to do unhooked tricks and progress (i.e. handle pass rolls), you want bar pressure. Lets you know where the kite is. Makes it easier to know when to pull the bar in and create slack (for passes or solid landings).
That's why a lot of the top pros ride C kites and a like. Stable, solid bar pressure, and ability to slow down turning speed. Its a feel for predictability on how the kite will behave so you can get your timing.
Absolutely hate heavy bar pressure. Some feedback is important but that tendonitis inducing dead weight spring loaded bar that my 2013 slingshot octane 13m came with was just horrible. Adds nothing to the kiting experience. I can kite for hours using fingertips on my foil kites but 15 min with a heavy bar and it's game over.
Looking a what Rowdy said - for tricks it maybe true. I'm totally into foiling and hangtime. No slack lines for me.
then what you need is a paraglider jamesperth. you should talk to jiri down in albany before his athritis packs him in.
I would like to learn to fly one actually. Quite expensive tho. I went to Albany recently and it's looks amazing for flying. A lot of the Flysurfer guys in Europe also fly. The parent company is Skywalk who make paragliders.
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Absolutely hate heavy bar pressure. Some feedback is important but that tendonitis inducing dead weight spring loaded bar that my 2013 slingshot octane 13m came with was just horrible. Adds nothing to the kiting experience. I can kite for hours using fingertips on my foil kites but 15 min with a heavy bar and it's game over.
One thing that a lot of people are missing when using a kite with heavier bar pressure is good technique (not saying you are).
Heavy bar pressure shouldn't give a regular person any real pain if they have their equipment tuned properly (chicken loop length etc.) and they practice good technique whilst flying the kite.
My tips for anyone with problems is to 1; make sure your CL is tuned to a length just shorter than your arms extended, and, 2; When you ride make sure you keep your shoulders back, your back straight and your arms almost straight. Use your waist and shoulders to pivot and pull your arms in and out whilst only pulling in with your elbows if absolutely necessary.
If you follow these tips I doubt you will ever have Tennis elbow from flying your kite.
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When you ride make sure you keep your shoulders back, your back straight and your arms almost straight. Use your waist and shoulders to pivot and pull your arms in and out whilst only pulling in with your elbows if absolutely necessary.
If you follow these tips I doubt you will ever have Tennis elbow from flying your kite.
But you might get mistaken for a ZOMBIE KITER.... AARGH
Select to expand quotejackforbes said..sir ROWDY said..
When you ride make sure you keep your shoulders back, your back straight and your arms almost straight. Use your waist and shoulders to pivot and pull your arms in and out whilst only pulling in with your elbows if absolutely necessary.
If you follow these tips I doubt you will ever have Tennis elbow from flying your kite.
But you might get mistaken for a ZOMBIE KITER.... AARGH
True, that would be bad.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..
My tips for anyone with problems is to 1; make sure your CL is tuned to a length just shorter than your arms extended, and, 2; When you ride make sure you keep your shoulders back, your back straight and your arms almost straight. Use your waist and shoulders to pivot and pull your arms in and out whilst only pulling in with your elbows if absolutely necessary.
If you follow these tips I doubt you will ever have Tennis elbow from flying your kite.
That's not it. It's the tendons in the forearm involved in gripping the bar that make the tennis elbow.
At one stage years ago I couldn't hold a fork or squeeze toothpaste because of tendinitis from bar pressure. Was the days of pulleys on the bar. I had to change kites or stop kiting. There was constant heavy pressure no matter how u tuned the kite or adjusted your grip. I'll take a light fast kite for the waves any day. I think you can instinctively know where your kite is even with lighter pressure. Anyway, I have no choice. I could not kite as much with heavy pressure. Different strokes and styles..... So whatever 
