Posted purely for the benefit of those that do like to kite in low winds.
Lets face it, if you kite in low winds, eventually you will crash your kite and will be faced with the challenge to get it flying again (or a big swim and the potential loss of gear).
While we were packing away the race buoys yesterday in Botany Bay, we noticed a kite down, it was an Ozone Zephyr, upwind of the course. We retrieved a couple of buoys to let the owner have a good go at relaunching, but he just seemed to have given up very quickly and was getting dragged slowly downwind. The wind was variable and we called off the last races due to riders not being able to stay upwind on the TT reaching course. Estimated the wind to be around 6/7-9/10 knots.
We motored over to the rider in the RIB and asked how he was doing, another rider was keeping an eye on his board and we said we would take care of the board. Zephyr guy says the kite won't relaunch, he has tried, no way to relaunch in such light winds. I advised him that the kite will relaunch and for him to pull in 4-5M of line on one side, wait till the kite started to slide across the water to the opposite side, and then to quickly let go of that line and quickly pull in a similar amount of line on the other side of the bar, leaving the bar completely sheeted out. Worked first go, zephyr ride grabbed the bar though and was pulling in on it and nearly caused the kite to fall back, we keep urging him to keep the bar pushed and and only keep tension on one rear line. Pulling on the bar only just enough to steer the kite up and out of the water. We then advised the rider to body drag back about 1klm to the beach, but went upwind and grabbed his board went back down wind and threw the board in front of him and he was able to ride back.
We then went back to get another buoy, we then noticed the other riders kite down and even further out from shore, probably about 1.5klm's. This was a 15M Epic "something". We motored back upwind to see the owner surrounded by jet ski's, who I hope were helping retrieve his board, not stealing it or hassling him? Again we were advised by the experienced rider that there was no way this kite would relaunch. We sat and looked at the kite for a moment, then urged the owner to try the above technique and that he should unclip his board from a self rescue leash/tether. He tried the technique, and bingo his kite relaunched straight away as well, and he also rode back and actually continued to ride for quite a while.
My small point and shoot camera died on a recent trip to Fiji so its an excuse to get something a little bigger and in a housing so we can make video's of low wind kite relaunching techniques. You definitely need to get the kite moving across the window, and if it will move by pulling in enough rear line this means there is still enough wind for the kite to fly, and that it most likely will relaunch.
There are some other more subtle techniques to add to the above, like pulling on the opposite front to the rear you are pulling (only works with kites that have 4 equal length flying lines). Swimming at the kite at certain stages in the relaunch sequence, etc.
Great and highly valuable tip guys! I have seen a lightwind relaunch vid using the addition of the opposite front line technique, which seemed to work really well, however the kiter was standing in waist deep water. I think that particular technique could be a lot harder in deep water.
Thanks for the tips and congratulations on hitting a round 4,000 posts.
IMHO traveling these distances from the beach on light wind days should only be attempted when you are powered. Maybe swimming in will help to reinforce this practical rule of thumb. It isn't fair on those on the beach watching you and members of the public might call the police...
happy kiting all and may regular sea breezes arrive in Sydney soon!![]()
In Sydney/Botany Bay if someone is really stuck out there observers should definitely contact the Kitepower shop, we will go get people, but it is always a case of Little Creatures or similar!!
Opposite front line works, but there is a technique as to when to apply pressure or pull on the opposite front line, the trick is to get the kite sliding across the window first using as much rear line pull as necessary, drop the line being pulled and pop some pressure onto the opposite REAR line, then when the kite starts to lift a wing tip, pull and release some of the opposite front line. Having some front line pulled in while you pull on opposite rears works too, and as the tip lifts you pull and release the opposite front to the rear and see saw the kite fully up in one tip, guiding it to the edge with careful pressure on the rear line, never pull in hard on the bar, this will just cause the kite to stall and drop backward, trailing edge, in the water.
Thanks Steve will try that technique. Even in low to medium winds when the kite is facing straight downwind of you surely this might speed up the recovery.
Thanks again.
Thanks really helpful. Does this still work when you are drifting with the kite in a strong current? ie apparent wind just drops to nothing? Is there anything else you can try?
Thanks Steve will try that technique. Even in low to medium winds when the kite is facing straight downwind of you surely this might speed up the recovery.
Thanks again.
your moving interstate, low, medium, whats that
Thanks really helpful. Does this still work when you are drifting with the kite in a strong current? ie apparent wind just drops to nothing? Is there anything else you can try?
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Thanks really helpful. Does this still work when you are drifting with the kite in a strong current? ie apparent wind just drops to nothing? Is there anything else you can try?
Probably not, if you have no pressure in the sail, then relaunching attempts will fail! However if you can get the kite to move across the window/surface of the water directly in front of you, then you most likely will be able to relaunch it, provided you do not drop it trailing edge into the water, this can be a game over position in light winds
Hi guys,
I was out the Zephyr. Many thanks Steve for coming over & giving me that tip. Also, big thanks to the guy that kept an eye on my board. You're right, it worked first time & I will be practicing that technique over & over again , closer to shore of course. I've never had any problem relaunching the 2013 Zephyr it is my favorite kite. It's been a fantastic combination over the last 7 months with my Shinn King George. To get even more value I bought a sector 60 V4 which gets you out in even lighter winds. Again, this combination is a lot of fun & an absolute blast. I can't gybe the board yet so the problem I had was when stopping I had to get off the board to turn it around. This sudden pause in the kites momentum caused it to stall. I should of kept the kite moving from left to right instead of having it sitting at 12. I didn't loose my board but had to let it go to relaunch. You can keep a twin tip planted to your feet when relaunching but a Sector 60 is too big & awkward. After this experience I will look at screwing a small D ring to the tip of my board & carrying an extra safety leash or lanyard.
This is all part of the learning curve. In light winds you have to be prepared for the worst. I made the decision to go out some distance because the tide was coming in, there's plenty of other kiters around, sun set was two hours away (wear a watch) & I have no problem self rescuing/swimming one or two km back to shore. Many thanks to Steve for posting this information. Great technique to learn for people considering investing in a light wind kite. The Zephyr is the real deal.
"...provided you do not drop it trailing edge into the water, this can be a game over position in light winds"
OK so that was the problem! Kite just sat there and wouldn't respond to any amount of line pulling.
Tried swimming (vigorous backstroke) only to have someone sprint 400 m down the beach to save me thinking I was waving my arms in desperate strife.![]()
Did end up swimming in with the kite.
Thanks Steve will try that technique. Even in low to medium winds when the kite is facing straight downwind of you surely this might speed up the recovery.
Thanks again.
your moving interstate, low, medium, whats that
Nope but I'm over 10kg lighter than you, so I get out on the zephyr in some stupid winds...
plus I'm not a blessed mid westerner, we get totally duped with the Seabreeze down here!! Drive 20km north and wham its on! Bloody estuary really stops that progressive in fill. Anyhow I love any talk about the zephyr even relaunching, I'm with you Jason, still my favourite kite!!![]()
Eppo, you fall in love with every kite you fly, its just the relationship that follows that never lasts.
Incorrect Chris.
I fly many, many kites. I'm no team rider, I have no affiliation with any ******, no kickbacks and say it as I see it.
If I don't like them I tend not to say anything. (I have ridden far more kites than I have mentioned).
Except I did recently on one and got raped and gang banged from all sides.
The zephyr 2013 is the best piece of equipement have ever bought. The edge is the most incredible wing I have ever flown.
The new smaller kites are fine, but more so they suite where I'm at. I reckon I could be on a few others that do a similar thing to be quite honest. Just fun, easy and progressive for me. I have made that perfectly clear.
Except one slight thing. The new kites I'm on, opposed to the alternatives, is less an open C shape, and part from the swept tips, really reminds me of a good old fashioned C kite from yesteryear, and flies as such, with some modern improvements for the less able like myself.
Anyhow, great contribution from Steve, gonna give that a crack.
When are you coming up Eppo? You and your bro can talk me into throwing some loops around on the Edge, I'm a chicken and need peer pressure to do it ![]()
When are you coming up Eppo? You and your bro can talk me into throwing some loops around on the Edge, I'm a chicken and need peer pressure to do it ![]()
are you the bloke on the edge out at coro on saturday? i think i spoke to you about having the same set up as you, anyway i looped my edge yesterday at back beach in the light stuff, no dramas give it a go!
When are you coming up Eppo? You and your bro can talk me into throwing some loops around on the Edge, I'm a chicken and need peer pressure to do it ![]()
You talking a proper loop or just downlooping as you land? Well a proper loop by some crews definition that kite should be lower than your body.
I'm never going there, I got kids to feed!!lol. Fck wish i was 19 again and this sport was around. Funny my boy whose 5 asked me yesterday after a quick lesson with his trainer kite, 'dad did you kite when you were 5', no son I said ' started when I was 27 on something not dissimilar to what you are flying now only much much bigger! '27 he said, that's so old!!!'.......fck![]()
Honestly the power in that edge in those winds that made you smile still scared the sht out of me chris. You are not alone man.
Are you at least downlooping it as you land? Thing with the edge because of its aspect, if you depower after the loop quickly it really kills the pull and wham you get say from a C kite.
But if she stalls, if you activate it early on...(keep the kite moving, needs speed in the wing always) fcken commit man or you gonna give yourself a free anal clean.
That aside man I'd be keen on catching up and see how ya going up there mate. then leave after with incredible envy and fall into a pit of existentialist hell....![]()
Anyhow maybe we can practice steve's light wind launching technique for the edge at about 6.30am in the morning because by 7am, you'll be on your 8 or 9m's!!!!!
MattyJ,
Normally I wouldn't get involved in this sort of low level computer keyboard warrior comment, but you are way out of line here.
I've only met Eppo a couple of times. On both occasions he has been full of stoke, happy to help others and kites to the limit. I have also PM'd him and he was willing to give me good solid advice on a couple of points that have worked out, got me out more and saved me some cash.
He's a teacher, and like any good teacher really enjoys passing on information to others. By adding his experiences to his posts he is adding credibility and context to his comments, and gives average riders like me the ability to gain insights that we would normally have to learn the hard way.
Comments like you have posted are just not warranted.
If you don't like his posts............don't read them, simple.
Simon
Hi All,
I tried this light wind relaunch technique last night and couldnt get the kite to stand on its edge and relauch while directly downwind.
When pulling ~3 or 4 arms lengths of steering line the kite definitely skidded across the power zone - but the kite wouldnt lift the leading edge up.
I was in very light wind (almost still at times) and i was flying an 13m 2008 cabrinha crossbow.
Any suggestions on what i was doing wrong?
cheers, Steve
Hey Matty, like any good teacher Eppo is just ignoring your comments. I like many others value Eppo's comments, enough said.
Also Matty I am a high school tech teacher and have been in the boat building trade for a long time, a lot of my students have called me a dick but as long as they can use it in a well constructed sentence I am happy.
Hi All,
I tried this light wind relaunch technique last night and couldnt get the kite to stand on its edge and relauch while directly downwind.
When pulling ~3 or 4 arms lengths of steering line the kite definitely skidded across the power zone - but the kite wouldnt lift the leading edge up.
I was in very light wind (almost still at times) and i was flying an 13m 2008 cabrinha crossbow.
Any suggestions on what i was doing wrong?
cheers, Steve
Jim, it sounds like the wind was just too light, or you were not being quick and aggressive enough with the "pull one side then pull the other technique".
If the kite skids across the window, then there should be enough wind for it to tip up on a wingtip, so maybe practice QUICKLY letting go on one rear leader/line and pulling the other in by just as much.
Once you get the wingtip up then the next tricky bit is how much leader to keep pulled in while the kite moves to the edge and begins to lift off, if you let too much go too quickly, the kite will fall backwards, and if you keep too much tension it will fall forwards, so experience and a light touch is required.
When are you coming up Eppo? You and your bro can talk me into throwing some loops around on the Edge, I'm a chicken and need peer pressure to do it ![]()
are you the bloke on the edge out at coro on saturday? i think i spoke to you about having the same set up as you, anyway i looped my edge yesterday at back beach in the light stuff, no dramas give it a go!
Missed this post, yeah that's me. I'm at corros again, waiting for another 5 knots , tomorrow looks great ![]()