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Created by Trapped > 9 months ago, 19 Oct 2014
Trapped
NSW, 220 posts
19 Oct 2014 11:38AM
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So apparently a hot wind has less strength than a cold wind. Or is it the other way around?
Isn't 20knots 20 knots everywhere?
I'm awfully confused and would be very thankful is someone explained this to me.

eezeegowin
WA, 175 posts
19 Oct 2014 8:43AM
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I think it has to do with density. A cold wind is denser with more water particles I suppose.

Knots refers to speed alone.

Guess it comes down to good old Newton's F=m.a

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
19 Oct 2014 12:26PM
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More dense has more power for same speed.
Put you hand up in the air with 40 knot breeze.
Now put your hand in the water going 40 knots.
You find it much harder to put your hand in the water because it is more dense, not because it is going faster!

Now all you gota think it the more dense (heavy) the air is for the same given speed it will have more power to drive your chosen machine

Cold air sinks because it is heavier
Hot air rises because it is light
When the two meet the cold air has more power and wins the battle
So once again the heavier wind has more power.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1896 posts
19 Oct 2014 9:41AM
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In simplicity its a bit like having a Fart

Warm but skanky air gets blown out at say 20 knots -

A wet fart at the same speed has more critical mass to it and thats when the action starts

diamond2001
WA, 436 posts
19 Oct 2014 10:19AM
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That's it .The North Sea kiters go out on 3 to 5 m kites.A 7 m is a light wind day! .It would be interesting to see a write up about wind strengths and power ratio between Cape Town and Geralton Wa.Capetown has colder water so its a colder wind , but the heat from WA's midwest land mass just rises so easily that relative colder air from the ocean just sucks in to the low pressure void.

tomme
VIC, 475 posts
19 Oct 2014 2:03PM
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diamond2001 said..
That's it .The North Sea kiters go out on 3 to 5 m kites.A 7 m is a light wind day! .It would be interesting to see a write up about wind strengths and power ratio between Cape Town and Geralton Wa.Capetown has colder water so its a colder wind , but the heat from WA's midwest land mass just rises so easily that relative colder air from the ocean just sucks in to the low pressure void.


is that not what causes a sea breeze (the Dr in w.a.)?

Trapped
NSW, 220 posts
19 Oct 2014 2:21PM
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Thanks everyone.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
20 Oct 2014 4:58AM
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No one calls it the "the doctor" in Gero.

Plummet
4862 posts
20 Oct 2014 4:59AM
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We have done the maths before. 20 Deg C increase in temp is approximately 7% decrease in force

The maths are

Force = 1/2 mass x Velocity squared.

So mass in our instance is the air. Air (or any gas) reduces in density as the temperature rises. At zero Dec C density is approximately 1.29 kg/m3. At 20 Deg C density is 1.2kg/m3.

As you see by the formula Velocity (wind speed) has a far greater effect on force than density. If you increase the wind speed from 19-21 knots the force increases 20%

Now just to confuse you a bit more. More than just temperature affects the density of the air. The pressure does too. The changes in air pressure are minimal at sea level. But you can have a dramatic change at elevation.

Humidity also affects the air pressure. Humid air is less dense than dry air.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
20 Oct 2014 9:44AM
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Trapped said..
So apparently a hot wind has less strength than a cold wind. Or is it the other way around?
Isn't 20knots 20 knots everywhere?
I'm awfully confused and would be very thankful is someone explained this to me.


you have it right

for instance last month in townsville during sail townsville we were racing in 20 knots the first day . I was riding a 15m edge where in perth i would be riding my 11m.

Last few days when it was 8 knots i could not get going on my 19m edge where as in perth in 8 knots i would be fine .



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