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Kiting Caloundra: the 10 Commandments

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Created by Bigwavedave > 9 months ago, 9 Mar 2010
Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
9 Mar 2010 10:35AM
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With the predominant SE winds expected over the next month, some will be tempted to kite at the mouth of the Pumicestone Passage at Caloundra QLD.

Last weekend saw some awful near misses and stupid decisions from some not so experienced kiters. One guy was attempting to launch (several times) his obviously faulty kite with 12 people in his danger zone. 3 time his kite launched, looped and crashed within inches of 3 kids in the water. Another recent learner was attempting to teach someone on the sand with beach goers constantly walking past then nearly drowned his student in the outgoing current.

If you have never kited there before please note the following tips:

1. Caloundra only works on an outgoing tide. DON'T go in the water if the tide is coming in. Go somewhere else.

2. The massive outgoing current results in lots of lost boards and relaunch issues.
DON'T kite there if you are not good at body dragging, relaunching your kite or deep water self rescue.

3. The nett effect of opposing wind and current means a smaller kite can be used. DON'T put up your 12m bow kite if everyone else is on 8's and 9's.

4. We get 40+ kites out on a good day. If you haven't kited here before DON'T ignore the right of way rules and DON'T jump if there is someone within 50m of you downwind or 30m upwind.

5. DON'T kite anywhere near the flagged bathing zone on Bulcock Beach.

6. Large tides and big swell make the Caloundra Bar a treacherous zone. DON'T kite there if you aren't confident in the waves.

7. There are a couple of schools operating there when the conditions are appropriate. DON'T get too close to the students. DON'T teach your mates on the sand. Get in the water. DON'T kite here unsupervised if you are a novice.

8. The locals are a friendly bunch. DON'T hesitate to ask for advice, a launch or shout us a beer.

9. Please DON'T launch in dodgy situations in your impatience to get out. There are sharp rocks, pine trees and turbulent zones. Refer to commandment #8

10. DON'T f@#k it up for the rest of us. Your poor decisions, inexperience or arrogance will result in the wrong kind of attention. It costs you a carton of Tooheys Extra Dry for every lifeguard rescue. DON'T leave without paying them.

Anyone found to be transgressing the above commandments will feel the full fury of GRUMPY SAM!! He is our secret weapon against idiots, irresponsible noobs, arrogant euros and dickheads in general.



This notice has been posted in the interests of safety for all water users at Caloundra.

Kiting here is awesome but can be treacherous.

andyy
QLD, 232 posts
9 Mar 2010 11:51AM
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#11. NO EUROS!!

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
9 Mar 2010 12:16PM
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#12 No PKRA gumbies and their gay twisty tricks

prea
QLD, 184 posts
9 Mar 2010 6:05PM
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andyy said...

#11. NO EUROS!!


Hey Andy the amount of travellin you do you could be classed as a euro
Pete

LUCAS123
QLD, 104 posts
9 Mar 2010 6:56PM
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lolz, looks like you just got served

jt737
QLD, 418 posts
9 Mar 2010 7:53PM
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12. Look before you turn.

old4dy
NSW, 147 posts
9 Mar 2010 9:43PM
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well said SIR well said

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
9 Mar 2010 7:41PM
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prea said...

andyy said...

#11. NO EUROS!!


Hey Andy the amount of travellin you do you could be classed as a euro
Pete


Kites like a Euro...

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
9 Mar 2010 9:46PM
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Don't tailgate a kiter to the beach then yell at him for turning!!! JT has a point. LOOK BEFORE YOU TURN, JUMP, LAUNCH, LAND

Beware of El Mucho Grumpo

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
9 Mar 2010 11:27PM
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Damm Rowdy, SNAP!!!

Beat me to it.

Marcus45
QLD, 91 posts
9 Mar 2010 11:21PM
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15/20 years ago I used to windsurf on the Caloundra bar


20 years on and I've returned to the water only this time with a kite but before I could fullfill my dream of sailing in the waves off Caloundra bar, I spent months leaning in safe places like Lake Cootharaba and down the northen parts of the Pumicestone Passage at Caloundra. Its only been since January that I have been getting out and blending in with the Guys at Caloundra bar, but what I am surprised with...no...shocked with is that there is a kite school just on the edge of the very fast and dangerious outgoing tide. Hats off to the guys that can make such a thing work in such a dangerious place, as you say and I quote[ "Large tides and big swell make the Caloundra Bar a treacherous zone. DON'T kite there if you aren't confident in the waves".] end quote. I know what your going to say, that the students stay well away from the treacherous currants but I have had to go around students (body draging) who are well into the outgoing tide a number of times. Dont get me wrong Dave, I am just wondering about the reason for having a school there and not in a safer place. Its true, it would be harder to conduct a kitesurfing school over behind Bribie Island somewhere but there is way more room and would be way more safe. Besides I think having learners at the Caloundra Bar on desplay could give the wrong impression to others that it is a safe place for learners there. Thats the impression I got at first but I learned in much safer places because I still have a healthy respect for the Caloundra Bar after all there years. Call me old fashioned, but 20 years ago in the windsurfing days, nobody in their right mind would learn to windsurf at the Caloundra bar, behind Bribie Island was the only place for learning and the bar was for the pro's. cheers Marcus

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
10 Mar 2010 1:25AM
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Marcus45 said...

15/20 years ago I used to windsurf on the Caloundra bar
20 years on and I've returned to the water only this time with a kite but before I could fullfill my dream of sailing in the waves off Caloundra bar, I spent months leaning in safe places like Lake Cootharaba and down the northen parts of the Pumicestone Passage at Caloundra. Its only been since January that I have been getting out and blending in with the Guys at Caloundra bar, but what I am surprised with...no...shocked with is that there is a kite school just on the edge of the very fast and dangerious outgoing tide. Hats off to the guys that can make such a thing work in such a dangerious place, as you say and I quote[ "Large tides and big swell make the Caloundra Bar a treacherous zone. DON'T kite there if you aren't confident in the waves".] end quote. I know what your going to say, that the students stay well away from the treacherous currants but I have had to go around students (body draging) who are well into the outgoing tide a number of times. Dont get me wrong Dave, I am just wondering about the reason for having a school there and not in a safer place. Its true, it would be harder to conduct a kitesurfing school over behind Bribie Island somewhere but there is way more room and would be way more safe. Besides I think having learners at the Caloundra Bar on desplay could give the wrong impression to others that it is a safe place for learners there. Thats the impression I got at first but I learned in much safer places because I still have a healthy respect for the Caloundra Bar after all there years. Call me old fashioned, but 20 years ago in the windsurfing days, nobody in their right mind would learn to windsurf at the Caloundra bar, behind Bribie Island was the only place for learning and the bar was for the pro's. cheers Marcus


Part of a responsible instructor's job is to choose a location that provides the best opportunity for a student to learn safely and comfortably.
Things to think about include: clean wind, large clear downwind area, no submerged obstacles government approval and manageable risks.

There are very few suitable locations in the Caloundra area that satisfy these criteria. Happy Valley is only ever used to teach in appropriate conditions. Students aren't permitted to go near the areas with currents and only those students with sufficient skill levels are given board lessons there. Caloundra Bar consists of the area where the Passage meets the ocean. No lessons ever happen there!?!?

The Pumicestone Passage is a national park and marine sanctuary and approval for commercial kitesurfing activities is only given for three areas. This approval was only granted after sufficient risk assessments and management plans were submitted. The area you are suggesting is not one of these areas and receives no clean wind suitable for quality lessons. In fact, there is more risk in teaching there than where lessons are currently being conducted. Windsurfers can operate in gusty turbulent winds - kitesurfers can not.

In my 6 summers of kiting at the Caloundra bar I have observed plenty of incidents where rescue craft have been required. NONE of these involved supervised lessons from any licensed kite school. Most incidents are from over-confident, inexperienced kiters without the skills required to kite at this location.

That is why I posted the 10 commandments this morning.

a380driver
WA, 10 posts
10 Mar 2010 1:42AM
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Hey Dave and Marcus,
All valid points. Even I succumbed to the nibbler last year!
BTW I have bought waterfront at Pelican Waters and we are planning our escape from the sandpit so expect to see more of me at your spot next year.
Want to bring a boat back with me - is a 27 footer too much for the Caloundra bar?
Cheers, Andy.

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
10 Mar 2010 2:10PM
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27 foot is cooool

Can you bring me a rich lady back from Dubai!!!

Marcus45
QLD, 91 posts
10 Mar 2010 3:25PM
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No rich girls in Finland Dave?

I've started a few business over the years and I can fully understand the red tape you have to cut through to get it off the ground. So yes Dave I can understand the Parameters in which you have had to work in. Good on you for being able to pull it off and make a living doing something you love or at least something you enjoy.

Bigwavedave said...

27 foot is cooool

Can you bring me a rich lady back from Dubai!!!


Marcus45
QLD, 91 posts
10 Mar 2010 3:34PM
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Great to here your going escape the pit Andy, reminds me of my escape back in 1989 from a pit of a different kind. Helen and I left Mt Isa (I was under ground mining)and bought land at the Sunny Coast, never looked back since. So will you be able to get work out of the Brizy airport? Cheers Marcus

a380driver said...

Hey Dave and Marcus,
All valid points. Even I succumbed to the nibbler last year!
BTW I have bought waterfront at Pelican Waters and we are planning our escape from the sandpit so expect to see more of me at your spot next year.
Want to bring a boat back with me - is a 27 footer too much for the Caloundra bar?
Cheers, Andy.


a380driver
WA, 10 posts
10 Mar 2010 10:54PM
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Hoping so Marcus - I guess pro kitesurfer is not on the cards!

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
11 Mar 2010 5:29PM
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Not the way you front roll!!!

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:28AM
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Well it happened!! Some gonzo tried to teach his partner here. Gave her a kite and a board and left her to it while he kited. She crashed the kite, lost her board and got swept out into the bar in 3 metre waves. She got tangled and couldn't activate her qr. If it wasn't for the assistance of local kiters and the rescue lifeguards she would be dead. Even the rescue irb got tangled up and the crew ended up in the water.

Moral of the story? If you don't know the area, ask advice. Don't be a d1ckhead. We ask this moron, don't come here again. If you **** it up for the rest of us you'll get knuckled.

My apologies to the muppet gonzo for using your name in vain...

Please please please stay out of this zone if you don't know your stuff. This week will see heaps of wind. Morons will not be tolerated.

shark
WA, 361 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:43AM
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Kite love is soooo entertaining!

BigAirPaul
QLD, 140 posts
15 Mar 2010 7:16PM
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Bigwavedave said...

27 foot is cooool

Can you bring me a rich lady back from Dubai!!!


Not likely - they're all gold-diggers over there !!!

a380driver
WA, 10 posts
16 Mar 2010 3:32AM
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Not all, Marcus. I married the one non-gold-digger. She's from Chinchilla and can't wait to get back to Oz to live after 12 years in the sandpit.
Tolerated me going kiting the day she came home from hospital with our newborn.
That's a keeper!!



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