Hey guys!
Just made this video on how to properly pull off a hooked in kiteloop. Check it out!
Great little vid.
I never push my bar out. I got to try that one.
Thanks for the tip.
Btw. How goods that feeling getting caught by your kite!
Pushing the bar out out is essential if you don't want to break your legs in that ankle deep water. Pushing the bar out let's the kite quickly return to 12oclock preventing you dropping out of the sky.
Very impressive!
Damn you make it look easy....
The kiteloop backrolls have been thrashed and are good fun, but I just want to be able to boost and then initiate the loop....
The kite does not seem to catch me and ends with sore ankles ....
My Question is : How far is the bar sheeted in when you initiate the loop????
I have been trying to boost and initiate the loop with the bar sheeted right in, although when I kiteloop backroll its done pulling the bar in when its sheeted out, which doesn't rip me as hard and is controllable...
What do you recommend if anything??
I will try sheeting out after the loop, and initiating the forward roll every time, and looking at the kite to keep my weight against it....
I know its a painful journey, but big loops in my opinion are the holy-grail and bench mark for top kiters, of which I am not there yet!!
Bar in all the way initiating the loop at first and sheet out or trim later if you want a slower loop after otherwise you run the risk of just driving it into the water whilst being up high.
Other things I like to mention to people starting is make sure your kite is trimmed properly so your kite wont stall mid loop, watch out for gusty or shadowed conditions doing loops. People always try and start small with loops but once you can go big it's actually a lot easier as you have a lot more time and nearly always get caught to some degree, the windier the better. So not really a build up trick but more pull the trigger and do it.
You also want a vertical jump to begin with otherwise you'll come in way too hot, I like to sheet out on my run in so my kite moves forwards in the window then drive it back as hard as possible whilst sheeting in again, if your kite is deep to begin with you'll just jump long and need a speed board to land.
Iv just started recently trying kite loops but iv been doing the standard jumping technique and at the top of my jump I loop it.
Your saying to loop it straight away? Iv tried that once and it slingshot me straight into the water hard as!
In the video it looks like he lands hard as? That's what I'm worried about
I'm riding a 12m dice there's no problem looping them yeah?
Select to expand quoteUnderoath said..
Btw. How goods that feeling getting caught by your kite!
yes - its like THANK HEAVENS!
lately been trying to go big with kiteloops (when its windy, say above 22knots using 8m kite) and have been having some seriously hard landings when some of them dont work out - to the extent where I bruised my ankle quite badly from the impact and requiring several days off 
Been trying to analyse what Ive been doing wrong..
I think sometimes from trying to boost really high prior to pulling the trigger, my kite has gone past 12 (to more like 1) on the boost before initiating the loop and this is what is stuffing everything up. Maybe something to do with losing the forward momentum in the boost?? Im still getting the major pull, the kite seems to complete the loop but doesnt catch me.. resulting in super hard landings from up real high 
Any of you loop masters know if sending the kite past 12 on the boost is causing the kite not to catch effectively 
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I'm riding a 12m dice there's no problem looping them yeah?
one thing I have learned through pain is when doing a well timed kiteloop (ie loop initiation before jump apex) is bigger kites dont make it round quick enough to catch you and you'll land super hard.. I dont bother looping at all now on anything bigger than my 8m
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Bar in all the way initiating the loop at first and sheet out or trim later if you want a slower loop after otherwise you run the risk of just driving it into the water whilst being up high.
Other things I like to mention to people starting is make sure your kite is trimmed properly so your kite wont stall mid loop, watch out for gusty or shadowed conditions doing loops. People always try and start small with loops but once you can go big it's actually a lot easier as you have a lot more time and nearly always get caught to some degree, the windier the better. So not really a build up trick but more pull the trigger and do it.
You also want a vertical jump to begin with otherwise you'll come in way too hot, I like to sheet out on my run in so my kite moves forwards in the window then drive it back as hard as possible whilst sheeting in again, if your kite is deep to begin with you'll just jump long and need a speed board to land.
The crew here have been working on kite loops all season with varying degrees of success...ouch!
The above info is what we have found works as well, good info.
Also, (and this was past on to me by big eez I think? Can't remember) we have found you really have to edge load and pop and go as vertical as possible, to the point where we are leaving the water almost at 11 ( well feels like it, might be more like 1130) then as it moves through 12, you initiate the loop. Almost in a way the kite doesn't stop, (sort of does but not much). Quicker, tighter loop and you find you activate either slightly before the apex, hence you get a proper yank, rather than the heli type loop.
Still gotta work on pushing out then back in with the downloop, sometimes coming is so hot you lose your sht and just take the landing like a bitch. Ouch...
Pss don't underestimate a good backroll back loop, leave the water early, pull little back pressure on and rip that loop hard...can get big height, whereby you need to do the old push bar away and downloop as well to slow yourself down.!!!
Whilst learning backloops i accidently pulled the wrong end and voila! I'm doing a backloop kiteloop. I find this a lot easier psychologically then a regular jump + loop as its a quite natural to pull hard on the back hand while initiating the back roll. Still haven't done a regular kite loop! Winds looking good today! one can hope ;)Select to expand quoteeppo said..NickT said..
Bar in all the way initiating the loop at first and sheet out or trim later if you want a slower loop after otherwise you run the risk of just driving it into the water whilst being up high.
Other things I like to mention to people starting is make sure your kite is trimmed properly so your kite wont stall mid loop, watch out for gusty or shadowed conditions doing loops. People always try and start small with loops but once you can go big it's actually a lot easier as you have a lot more time and nearly always get caught to some degree, the windier the better. So not really a build up trick but more pull the trigger and do it.
You also want a vertical jump to begin with otherwise you'll come in way too hot, I like to sheet out on my run in so my kite moves forwards in the window then drive it back as hard as possible whilst sheeting in again, if your kite is deep to begin with you'll just jump long and need a speed board to land.
The crew here have been working on kite loops all season with varying degrees of success...ouch!
The above info is what we have found works as well, good info.
Also, (and this was past on to me by big eez I think? Can't remember) we have found you really have to edge load and pop and go as vertical as possible, to the point where we are leaving the water almost at 11 ( well feels like it, might be more like 1130) then as it moves through 12, you initiate the loop. Almost in a way the kite doesn't stop, (sort of does but not much). Quicker, tighter loop and you find you activate either slightly before the apex, hence you get a proper yank, rather than the heli type loop.
Still gotta work on pushing out then back in with the downloop, sometimes coming is so hot you lose your sht and just take the landing like a bitch. Ouch...
Pss don't underestimate a good backroll back loop, leave the water early, pull little back pressure on and rip that loop hard...can get big height, whereby you need to do the old push bar away and downloop as well to slow yourself down.!!!
I've been doing more of these loops this season and loving it!
For some reason when i first started trying these, I didn't complete the loop properly even though it felt like i did (i.e. i would let the bar out straight after that pull feeling) and as a result landed painfully hard. Now I keep the bar in just that little bit longer before sheeting out, making my landings soft. Not sure if this is any help to anyone. I'm just glad that someone who was watching, pointed this out to me early in my learning process!
Ok, I first started doing kiteloops in 2007. here's my input.
1) get a kite than kiteloop 9m or smaller. Im talking about a loop that will catch you without a hard landing.
2) Wear a wetsuit, when learning you have to "bum-check" so you dont do any damage.
3) I had to tune my lines, at my weight 21m lines were perfect on a 2007-08 fuel.
4) dont be a whimp. go as high as you can. Theres a window. Land a kiteloop at 10-15m and it will catch you on the up stroke. 15-20m you crash and burn, anything higher and it gives you time to direct your kite and not hit hard. Jump vertically you need more height, jump a little more horozontally and the kite will not stall as much on the upstroke and will catch you quicker.
5)Dont loop when its gusty, if the wind dies on the upstroke ... dont try and land it bumcheck.
6)Take your time, a move like this takes at least 1000 loops before you know what youre doing, dont blow out your knee, or get concussion on a hot landing like I have done. but never had a lower body injury like my mates.
7) try them in 22 knots at least. anything lower, use a small kite depower it and practise f-16's. its a wicked trick to master.
8) Pull the bar late when learning, this will helicopter the loop, ie, it will be more above your head and makes a landing less hot. As you get better go earlier and earlier.
9) oops, learn to boost big before you try kiteloops.
10) I know Ruben does these in Zandvort in choppy water. Dont try it in choppy water unless you have it dialled. landing hot in choppy water unless its a perfect one will result in injuries.
Ive posted this stuff before, it sounds like theres interest in big air rather than PKRA stuff. bring on the red bull king of the air.
Thanks Dave can you elaborate on point 4... You saying jump more horizontally??
Agreed on the ass check, needed an ass break this arvo actually, think I don't need a colon clean for while. You can land 9 out of 10 but the one you mess up can hurt hey.
What's a F16..suppose I should look it up. Agreed ya need wind. When it's light its unhooking time anyhow.
a thought has just dawned on me (thanks dave). so doing a really cooked F-16 er no... that should be E16 right? ie. hooked vs unhookedis basically a megaloop with a backroll inserted. right? but because im not looking at it and thinking about it... i dont have the psych hurdle to get over... in fact i dont look at my kite so its effectively doing it by 'feel' (of the kite movement) and so doing it blind (as in not seeing, not the other blind meaning...).
hmmmm.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
"Agreed on the ass check, needed an ass break this arvo actually, think I don't need a colon clean for while."
Hmmmmm, Disconcerting.
All this bloody good advice. I'm going to do this on the weekend.
We have allready seen it perfected in the vid.
I'll go pro my stacks for you instead.
Hey Jason, I've got a 45 slingshot bar with 20m lines you can borrow for Sunday. Come down to Pinnas and I'll watch you give it a go!
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Hey Jason, I've got a 45 slingshot bar with 20m lines you can borrow for Sunday. Come down to Pinnas and I'll watch you give it a go!
Thanks Nick, I will take you up on that offer.
Be down there around 3pm.
Looking at the forcast, its looking breezy. fingers crossed.
Hey guys sorry I haven't been on to reply more. As Eppo said.. the most important part of this whole exercise is the load and pop. If you can't do a proper raley or unhooked trick and know how to get yourself reasonably high off the water without using your kite, you may have trouble with this. You need to pop really hard while you send your kite to 12. The problem with not popping enough is that you end up going forwards (downwind) while your kite is lifting you, whereas if you pop then you'll get a much more dramatic vertical lift. If you don't and you end up going too far downwind while the kite is lifting you before you initiate the loop, then it will stall in the middle of the window and not come up to catch you when you do loop. To start, work on doing big jumps with a good pop and trying to focus on how far down wind you go. The closer you land to where you start the better.
ChiroTrev: I do the loop with the bar pretty much all the way in so I have the most turning speed. The second that the centre of the leading edge is aimed straight up again you push the bar out hard! Make sure you do that or the kite will just stay in front of you and that ends up slingshotting you into the water MUCH faster than you would fall just from gravity haha.
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Hey Jason, I've got a 45 slingshot bar with 20m lines you can borrow for Sunday. Come down to Pinnas and I'll watch you give it a go!
Ill start a new thread for all you guys to document how long your twisted ankles and busted ACL's take to heal...
I don't want to hear about sore ribs or busted kites unless its a north LOL!
OH! And your kites do matter... I'm usually pretty outspoken when it comes to kite performance. If someone tries to tell me you can't do handlepasses on a Switchblade or an RPM because they don't slack I call massive BS on them... Ignorance. Kitelooping however, although possible on almost any kite, will go MUCH better on certain ones. Some of the best "climbing" kites (ones that catch you) are the C4, Fuel, Vegas, RPM, Chaos, GP, TS just to name a few. This is not a complete list.. just ones I've given a go to lately. Short lines help and so does flying a 9m or below.
Select to expand quoteRails said..
What's the song?
This is not a song about a girl - Flume & Chet Faker
Thanks Drury,
I'll try to pop vertical rather than boost, I'll pop vertical and sheet in the back hand hard (although might be half sheeted in during the pop), and as soon as the leading edge is pointing vertical I'll sheet her ALL THE WAY OUT and hopefully it catches me without smashing me into the water from a crazy height (resulting in broken footstraps and a torn heel on the toeside/Indy edge
And 1000 loops required hey??? Great... It's a painful road ahead I guess but "Losers make excuses, winners make it happen!"
Respect to all the winners out there busting big and setting the bar for where it's at. 
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Thanks Dave can you elaborate on point 4... You saying jump more horizontally??
Agreed on the ass check, needed an ass break this arvo actually, think I don't need a colon clean for while. You can land 9 out of 10 but the one you mess up can hurt hey.
What's a F16..suppose I should look it up. Agreed ya need wind. When it's light its unhooking time anyhow.
Hey eppo, sometimes as you know when you jump you go off the water on slightly different angles. The full vertical jumps give you incredible lift and shoot you up, yet even with perfect kite control, you still come down fast. The best jumps are when you time it, soar and float at the apex, and can then direct your kite for a soft landing. Most kiteloop injuries Ive seen are guys trying to loop on the full vertical jumps, and unless your on a 6m youre dead meat. Bailing out of an intended kiteloop when learning them is half the learning curve. Get the angle right on takeoff, get the height and no problem. Get it wrong, try a boardoff instead.
An F16 is a unhooked backroll kiteloop. Betrand fluerry used to do them in his day. You can do these very underpowered. Its great for learning powered downwind landings with not much consequence for injury.
So you are saying that going fully vertical is not the go...somewhere in between going vertical and going downwind too much on your jump...
Back roll kite loop...so that's a backroll with a backloop unhooked right? Jesus I find enough power doing this hooked...actually watched a guy down here do a double back roll with a back loop unhooked the other day...looked unreal!! He made one but ate serious sh1t on the two others. Price you pay I suppose.
Cheers Dave.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
So you are saying that going fully vertical is not the go...somewhere in between going vertical and going downwind too much on your jump...
Back roll kite loop...so that's a backroll with a backloop unhooked right? Jesus I find enough power doing this hooked...actually watched a guy down here do a double back roll with a back loop unhooked the other day...looked unreal!! He made one but ate serious sh1t on the two others. Price you pay I suppose.
Cheers Dave.
I find an unhooked kiteloop (with or without backroll) is actually easier. I use the loop to power me from the water. Loop and pop, rather than send and pop and loop... unless I'm doing it wrong? do you delay the kiteloop the same as you would hooked in?
