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Kite repair - Moti's the Man...

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Created by Sir V > 9 months ago, 13 Feb 2009
COL
NSW, 554 posts
15 Feb 2009 3:44PM
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Cut said...

COL said...


Well, I think that's what's called a win -win situation. Sir V got his colour match, Moti & the local guy (pity his name wasn't mentioned after all), got loads of free advertising, everyone is entirely clear exactly what is expected in a kite repair. I just love a happy ending!
cheers
COL


Hah very true that....

My missus exclaimed "my god..he needs to HTFU!" when she read this though and this is from a chick who colour matches her board to her kite.




Your missus seems OK to me. I have red kites, red boards, a red streak down my wetty, & after a 4 hr session red eyes too. My new years resolution though is to quit using brown paper to wipe my arse. Ouch! I know HTFU!
COL

STFUBBQ
NSW, 60 posts
16 Feb 2009 4:07PM
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you guys giving this guy a hard time need to chillax.

this guy SIR V has gone out of his way not to name any shops or bad mouth them, good job.

this is a good thread IMO, clearly it helps shops to understand a phone call to let the customer know the repair will not match can go a along way, i have been stuck in this same situation. i always ask now.

also un informed kiters can now know what to ask for next time they get a repair. at the end of the day if you want something matched go to moti levy. if your not sure ask!!!

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
16 Feb 2009 2:32PM
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The first repair job had good stitching. ^^^
This type of stitch is called triple-step zig zag,
and is common to all kitesurfing kites.




The second repair job has poor stitching. ^^^
You can tell by the little Y's formed along the zig zag stitch.
This often means the thread was incorrectly tensioned and the machine was slipping.
Zig zag should be a series of little V's all connecting together neatly.




tobes
NSW, 1000 posts
16 Feb 2009 4:51PM
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STFUBBQ said...

if you want something matched go to moti levy.


Even Moti get's a bit patchwork quilty. I called Moti to see if he could repair my orange coloured foil and do a nice job of it a couple of years ago, no problem he says, it came back with fluoro orange dacron and a zipper that wouldn't open properly. The repair held up fine, so no worries.

roder
27 posts
16 Feb 2009 2:55PM
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not too mention that the new whit stiching is not matched to the off white / greyish original.

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
16 Feb 2009 7:55PM
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I'm no expert on kite repairs, but the first repair job looks much better, and stronger to me.

Sir V, any chance you could tell us where the first repair job was done so I know where a good repair shop in nsw is.

Ps. I am not taking the piss out of Moti levi. I would just prefer to get my kites fixed locally.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
17 Feb 2009 12:43AM
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bennie said...

I'm no expert on kite repairs, but the first repair job looks much better, and stronger to me.

Sir V, any chance you could tell us where the first repair job was done so I know where a good repair shop in nsw is.

Ps. I am not taking the piss out of Moti levi. I would just prefer to get my kites fixed locally.


I beleive Kitepower at Sans Souci has a very good repairer-Steve is always good for help and knowledge.....

Sir V
QLD, 490 posts
16 Feb 2009 11:43PM
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The second repair has been reinforced on the inside of the bladder. The top part is only to cover the hole I have been told.

I will not mention anyone beyond what I have already. That was not my intention.

It seems the point of my original post was completely missed so I will not go on about it. My post was simply an attempt to raise the standards and quality of service delivery.

I realise that we can't all agree on the quality we expect from out contractors and fail to see the point of accepting anything but the best it can be. My re-repair was never going to solve anything better, it was a simple demonstration that the job should have been done better and with more attention to detail. I knew well in advance that by having my kite unstitched and re-stitched I would run risks, but I had a point to prove to the shop owner - it should have been done right.

The point of contention is what is considered 'right'. As far as that, I chose to disagree with some of the comments made. Specially after it came back done as I would have liked it originally – re-enforced on the inside. Of course I am the only one that lost with my kite getting re-stitched. It may, or may not, have had its fabric weakened.

As much as the main opinion is that I should have put up with it, I disagree. I still feel that the point had to be raised. I was taught by my parents to not settle or agree just because everyone else does - so I shall not.

My intention wasn’t to put anyone down, simply to praise someone that deserved it while I proved my point – which to me, I did. What ensued was a normal dwelling in the art of dishing vitriol for lack of substance in real positive contribution. As we all know is quite common here – again, I chose to disagree with the process and refrain from participating.

Fortunately we are all different and some very positive and constructive opinions came to light. I know I have learnt a lot from this repair and posting experience.

Peace and good winds to all.

Fooosh
WA, 563 posts
17 Feb 2009 10:43PM
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marty72 said...

Sir V, seriously you do need to HTFU its just a kite, the colours dont have to match exactly like for your tutu that u prance around in during a body jam class. Check this out for quality repair and colour matching Indo style! Nice batik cloth, cheap price and still handles a working by a 6 foot set. What else do you want?




Isn't everything 'cheap price speshly for you' over ther?

airush geoff
974 posts
17 Feb 2009 11:13PM
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Good on you sir v for sticking to your guns and remaining subjective while others felt the need to sledge you personally.

The non preferred repairer was not named.

No personal attacks were launched.

Information about an experience was shared.

HTFU is funny but some people are getting way out of line and offensive with their responses - these forums are meant to be educational and fun...so lighten up crew.

Jeff2231
NSW, 416 posts
18 Feb 2009 12:06PM
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Sir V said...

I know I have learnt a lot from this repair and posting experience.



I learnt that 90% of kiteboarders on this forum are a bunch of w@nkers. The thread started out with a few people saying "nice post", as soon as one person says it's cool to have a patch on your kite everyone else jumps on the bandwagon (I'm sure that makes you all cool too). He's just complimenting someone on their repair job for ****s sake?

Your all women and it's a shame that such a sick sport can be dragged down by pelicans that would rather b!tch about someone and throw insults than just "HTFU" themselves and don't get involved. I've got an idea, next time you see people ganging up on someone jump in and throw a kick in there yourselves! Fun huh!

Anyway, I think both repairers did a good job, seemed like an informative post if your into that kind of stuff and if it was me I'd probably just use a different kite cause I'm too lazy to fix things.

Nice way to be an internet bully and flex your muscles behind a wall of text.

qwerto
NSW, 52 posts
18 Feb 2009 12:45PM
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Jeff2231 said...

Sir V said...

I know I have learnt a lot from this repair and posting experience.



I learnt that 90% of kiteboarders on this forum are a bunch of w@nkers. The thread started out with a few people saying "nice post", as soon as one person says it's cool to have a patch on your kite everyone else jumps on the bandwagon (I'm sure that makes you all cool too). He's just complimenting someone on their repair job for ****s sake?

Your all women and it's a shame that such a sick sport can be dragged down by pelicans that would rather b!tch about someone and throw insults than just "HTFU" themselves and don't get involved. I've got an idea, next time you see people ganging up on someone jump in and throw a kick in there yourselves! Fun huh!

Anyway, I think both repairers did a good job, seemed like an informative post if your into that kind of stuff and if it was me I'd probably just use a different kite cause I'm too lazy to fix things.

Nice way to be an internet bully and flex your muscles behind a wall of text.


Very true. Here's an abstract from a psychological peer reviewed journal article on the anonymity of the interwebz.

Internet newsgroups allow individuals to interact with others in a relatively anonymous fashion and thereby provide individuals with concealable stigmatized identities a place to belong not otherwise available. Thus, membership in these groups should become an important part of identity. Study 1 found that members of newsgroups dealing with marginalized-concealable identities modified their newsgroup behavior on the basis of reactions of other members, unlike members of marginalized-conspicuous or mainstream newsgroups. This increase in identity importance from newsgroup participation was shown in both Study 2 (marginalized sexual identities) and Study 3 (marginalized ideological identities) to lead to greater self-acceptance, as well as coming out about the secret identity to family and friends. Results supported the view that Internet groups obey general principles of social group functioning and have real-life consequences for the individual. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2008 APA, all rights reserved)

Certainly true of the commenting done with regards to a certain Mr. sanz.

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
18 Feb 2009 1:04PM
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"as well as coming out about the secret identity to family and friends."

It was never a secret, he said about Body Pump classes in his profile..

Man I'm only having a joke. Hope that is clear to most. No malicious intent. Just though it was funny... Still do... haha. I hope the repair holds and continues to look pleasant to all who view it.

newo
WA, 250 posts
18 Feb 2009 11:06AM
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Haha, best kite repair thread ever!

Redgy
WA, 117 posts
7 Apr 2009 8:28PM
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Didn't see a problem with the first repair and would have been happy with it. Have had Moti repair my kites in the past and he does an excellent job. If you want your kite looking like new send it to Moti.

Sir V
QLD, 490 posts
9 Apr 2009 2:12PM
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Yo J, tks for the vote of confidence. Me being a ficticious character is actually quite funny. I might work on becoming a cartoon so I can come here and rant on all the other toons... can't stop smiling eheh!

And I thought all the bile had already been spilled in this thread and we were done and dusted.

Incidently: the kite is well and strong as ever. It has been thrashed and dumped and looped and all I could throw at it. I thought that since it had been 'badly' repaired the second time I would kill it practicing all the bad stuff. Nah, Can't do it Captain, I ain't got the power - the bastard is too strong...

Love ya work guys.

V

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
9 Apr 2009 2:57PM
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loco4olas said...

The first repair looked fine-looked like a well stitched well re-enforced piece of work-colour matching is merely aesthetics-form over function.

Well constructed post by the way-good job not unnecessarily bagging the 'shop'.


I agree, I think once your kite fades you wouldn't have worried to much about the repair. Think yourself lucky you didn't right the kite off. The original repair looks like a decent job to me and doesn't look sloppy. But having said that, I wouldn't want my silver car repaired with red touch-up.

don
QLD, 56 posts
9 Apr 2009 4:25PM
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Had two kites repaired by Moti and Aviv recently.Excellent finish.

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
9 Apr 2009 2:59PM
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Man if you knew the effort that goes into most sail repairs you often got to undo so much of the pannels before you can fix it ............ sail cloth stretches to the max once used.

Im completely lost as to what the problem is here ,The stiching was a good as ive seem on any sail repair .........

I wanted to see the replaced pannel ........................ Most sail makers try to match up as best as possible.

I THINK THE PATCH most likely suits you. ?

Is IT A PROBLEM because it could be seen as a status statue ? or are you fear full the patch might weaken the surrounding fade stretched materials .Therefore giving way the next time you boost 30 feet and it pops returning you to the earth like space junk.


So if you want all the advertising Brand names on your kit to match back up......... get over your self it really happens and or expect a bill for $500 Plus.

Spinnika cloth will / COULD blow out at anytime, so get used to it,

I LOVE THE NOISE THOSE KITES MAKE WHEN THEY EXPLODE ,DID IT GO OFF WITH A BANG?

Ps say yes even if it didnt

Caesar
QLD, 109 posts
3 May 2009 9:53AM
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I learnt that 90% of kiteboarders on this forum are a bunch of w@nkers. The thread started out with a few people saying "nice post", as soon as one person says it's cool to have a patch on your kite everyone else jumps on the bandwagon (I'm sure that makes you all cool too). He's just complimenting someone on their repair job for ****s sake?

Your all women and it's a shame that such a sick sport can be dragged down by pelicans that would rather b!tch about someone and throw insults than just "HTFU" themselves and don't get involved. I've got an idea, next time you see people ganging up on someone jump in and throw a kick in there yourselves! Fun huh!

Anyway, I think both repairers did a good job, seemed like an informative post if your into that kind of stuff and if it was me I'd probably just use a different kite cause I'm too lazy to fix things.

Nice way to be an internet bully and flex your muscles behind a wall of text.


You are 100% spot on. That's why I'm very rarely on this forum anymore (I found kiteforum.com/ of much better quality and attitude).

Regarding the repair job - all what I would have done is ask the work shop to stitch another patch (exactly the same size) to the other side of the strut. Nobody would ever think this is a repair job but part of the design (unless you look out for repair jobs when selling the kite).

IMO both jobs are done well. I would have been happy with the first job if the guys would apply a patch to the other side too (same as for Moti's work).

The thing I don't like on Moti's work is that they are applying their company stickers onto the kites without asking for permission. It's like 'hey, this kite was already in repair'.
Once you know you can tell them NOT to place their sticker onto the canape. But first timers get a very bad surprise when they get their kites back and removing their stickers you will end up with holes in the canape. I was very much pissed off about the Moti sticker and get my kites now fixed locally.

Cheers




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