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Created by oceanfire > 9 months ago, 14 Oct 2010
oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
14 Oct 2010 4:02PM
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Having read lots of kite reviews, I've seen the term 'bomb-proof' many times to describe many different kites.
So pondering upon the different attributes of kites, I got to thinking that surely all kites must be close to equal in the strength department these days?

What do y'all reckon?
Who makes the strongest kites?
Who makes the most easily broken?
Or are they all pretty much the same?

Knight Kiter
19 posts
14 Oct 2010 4:12PM
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i havent tried too hard to kill any other brands, but after putting my 07 slingshot fuel through the breakers yesterday yet again, i am still amazed by its resilience

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
14 Oct 2010 6:53PM
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There are a lot of kites that claim to be bomb proof, but it's the riders they need to be worried about. A bad rider can kill a good kite in seconds.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
14 Oct 2010 4:29PM
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Yeah, I pretty much expect that if you're good at killing things, then the brand doesn't matter.
But my interest was piqued on the subject of kite strength when speaking to a dealer, he recommended one brand over another due to one being better quality (I read this as strength)- he sells them both so it wasn't like he was dissing someone elses product.

bingles
WA, 363 posts
14 Oct 2010 4:38PM
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He he -I never forget the time a young bloke crashed his brand new kite (second flight) into me while i was kiting and i couldnt believe how easily i destroyed it!! Massive tear's thru it in a couple of places. sorry dude bout your rush of air

Isnt the new Best kite built like a brick ****house?

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
14 Oct 2010 7:28PM
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The taboo in the small sizes especially are built as good as i have seen probably better, every little spot that may need reinforcing has been, there choices in materials are definitely of a very high quality, the bridle has no pulleys so no wear there is probably the only kite i would give 11/10 for build. We do need to give it a year to see how they weather, but should be good.

Best also haven't wasted any money on packaging, you get the kite in a shoe box, no bag pump or bar. There is a little light weight extendable sack thats it.

Bates
SA, 74 posts
14 Oct 2010 8:05PM
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My cab has held up pretty good against sticks etc.

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
14 Oct 2010 6:03PM
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sometimes the extra strengh built in to some kites only cause them to rub where the lighter weight kites although not as strong can have less wear. Then just like lines there is different quality in materials.

Bog
WA, 43 posts
14 Oct 2010 7:25PM
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Bates said...

My cab has held up pretty good against sticks etc.


Because Cabs have been tested in most trees within 100m of water

vishy
WA, 451 posts
14 Oct 2010 7:45PM
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The problem I have with "bomb proof" kites is their weight.

Heavy kites fly like a bag of **** in light wind.

If the kites are designed properly it shouldn't be an issue, but so often th extra reinforcements are stuck on with no thought, reinforcement patches in wrong places, heavy batterns all over the kite etc.

Just go to the shops and roll a few out, then go and fly them

Good luck
Matt

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
14 Oct 2010 10:07PM
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... pffft, bomb proof! What about how they age under harsh conditions like my heavy weight . I don't smash the kite anymore, I can just about count on my hands how many times I have dropped the kite in the past few years, but the kites don't really last under me. I can feel the kite performace change after a couple of months and by 9 months I'm nursing it just to survive. I replace lines but I know its not like it was when it was new. But laws of physics do apply and I know I'm pushing the limits, but it would be nice if they performed the same after 1 year, now that would be utopia.

I'm hoping the hype of the Norths new material in the 2011 Rebel lives up to it!!!

cheers for now,

Robbie

bingles
WA, 363 posts
14 Oct 2010 10:22PM
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Gotta be something there in local area kite design - hows about that bloke in Gero, builds kites for the local conditions. NEW KITES, maybe you NT boys should have a chat to him. Give Benmilsonsurf a run for thier money eh radman

coffeebean
WA, 54 posts
14 Oct 2010 10:23PM
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I'm hoping the hype of the Norths new material in the 2011 Rebel lives up to it!!


I'm interested in Norths new materials also!!, they are claiming a 40% higher strength in canopy material and 70% higher tearing strength!! these figures are quite impressive!

Are these figures tested and proven out on the water or confined to a few lab experiments from the material supplier?? which cost's could be handed down to the consumer?

I'm all for new advancements/breakthroughs in our sport, but unsure if its cutting edge new technology that is being offered here or just another company beating the drum to raise their bottom line???

Can anyone back up Norths new material claims??

radman4
678 posts
15 Oct 2010 5:31AM
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Most kites these days seem to be made of the same Tenjen fibre,the marketing guys just like to call it something different depending on the brand so they can say its stronger than everyone else's,just marketing bull***t if you ask me, its way stronger than the old ripstop style materials and dosen't seem to weather over time the same.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
15 Oct 2010 9:46AM
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bingles said...

Gotta be something there in local area kite design - hows about that bloke in Gero, builds kites for the local conditions. NEW KITES, maybe you NT boys should have a chat to him. Give Benmilsonsurf a run for thier money eh radman


... I know, I'd love to get a fleet of New kites but if only he made a big bastard for my heavy weight, that goes well in light winds and extends through to higher winds (is that asking too much???). I know Nate is not a small guy either and he makes the kites suit himself but with our gutless winds and being heavy, its a tall order to make such a kite.

Anyway, I have a good feeling about the North material, in fact I can feel something different to the material, a bit more plastic or something like that, which logic tells me it actually is different and not just hype!!!!! Time will tell!

cheers,

Robbbie

radman4
678 posts
15 Oct 2010 8:55AM
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Had heaps of guys in the kitschool thrash my argo's last season and they are still in great condition,they are tenjen fibre,have just started replacing them with 011 kites,just about sold all the 010 ones buyers are stoked with the condition of the kites,i see the 011 ones have reinforcing right round the LE so there are no seams showing,kites are all 4 strut and light as ,so you can beef without the beef.

1likeBJ
WA, 152 posts
15 Oct 2010 10:01AM
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bingles said...

Gotta be something there in local area kite design - hows about that bloke in Gero, builds kites for the local conditions. NEW KITES, maybe you NT boys should have a chat to him. Give Benmilsonsurf a run for thier money eh radman


The NEW kites are def built for higher wind conditions but you won't find the heavy reinforcing and bumpers on them like some of the bigger kite brands.

Re North new material, I'm not convinced on the hype. I honestly haven't seen any North kites up close lately but some of the 08 Rebels and Rhinos looked pretty soft by the end of the season and we used to have the same problem with their spinnakers dinghy sailing. Rip-stop spinnaker material isn't that new and you'll probably find a lot of other kites are already made with similar.

AKSonline
WA, 925 posts
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15 Oct 2010 12:06PM
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radman4 said...

Most kites these days seem to be made of the same Tenjen fibre,the marketing guys just like to call it something different depending on the brand so they can say its stronger than everyone else's,just marketing bull***t if you ask me, its way stronger than the old ripstop style materials and dosen't seem to weather over time the same.


Hey Radman4,

All cloth is not the same. If the kite is made with Teijin cloth, it will have a little Teijin Technoforce label on the canopy. Teijin and kite manufacturers are making an effort to make sure consumers know they are using the best quality fabrics. So if your kite doesn't wear the patch, it's probably not Teijin cloth.

The North Technoforce D2 fabric IS different and North have this fabric exclusively for the next two years. You can see the difference in the cloth by just looking at it. There is an additional longitudinal and latitudinal strengthening fibre which runs next to the existing cross hatch of reinforcing fibres. This would have the effect of reducing tendency to continue tearing in the event of a cut in the fabric. It would also certainly make the cloth more stable and resistant to stretching giving a kite that holds it's shape and feels more crisp for much longer.

It's not a gimmick, you can see the difference. I haven't deliberately tried it for tear resistance but you can feel it in the way it flies.

Cheers,

DM

radman4
678 posts
15 Oct 2010 3:50PM
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AKSonline said...

radman4 said...

Most kites these days seem to be made of the same Tenjen fibre,the marketing guys just like to call it something different depending on the brand so they can say its stronger than everyone else's,just marketing bull***t if you ask me, its way stronger than the old ripstop style materials and dosen't seem to weather over time the same.


Hey Radman4,

All cloth is not the same. If the kite is made with Teijin cloth, it will have a little Teijin Technoforce label on the canopy. Teijin and kite manufacturers are making an effort to make sure consumers know they are using the best quality fabrics. So if your kite doesn't wear the patch, it's probably not Teijin cloth.

The North Technoforce D2 fabric IS different and North have this fabric exclusively for the next two years. You can see the difference in the cloth by just looking at it. There is an additional longitudinal and latitudinal strengthening fibre which runs next to the existing cross hatch of reinforcing fibres. This would have the effect of reducing tendency to continue tearing in the event of a cut in the fabric. It would also certainly make the cloth more stable and resistant to stretching giving a kite that holds it's shape and feels more crisp for much longer.

It's not a gimmick, you can see the difference. I haven't deliberately tried it for tear resistance but you can feel it in the way it flies.

Cheers,

DM

Its just a derivative of the same product,you can get as tech as u like,and call it whatever you want but most manufacturers are using a similar product ,it has extra strength and more fibre in the weave and is dam strong,i've seen kites slammed on rocks and sticks and come out the other end without a scratch,also it does make the kites way lighter and preform way better,havent even looked for a label but you can see the difference straight away.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
15 Oct 2010 6:33PM
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I have noticed that north have changed fabrics, it's f@ken bright

Break out the fluro zink, then get out and ride
The black ones look ok

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
15 Oct 2010 6:59PM
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vishy said...

The problem I have with "bomb proof" kites is their weight.

Heavy kites fly like a bag of **** in light wind.

If the kites are designed properly it shouldn't be an issue, but so often th extra reinforcements are stuck on with no thought, reinforcement patches in wrong places, heavy batterns all over the kite etc.

Just go to the shops and roll a few out, then go and fly them

Good luck
Matt


you ride in WA, stop bitching about 'light wind.' do you have to pump up a 10 sometimes? you poor fella

Thecopterdr
QLD, 98 posts
15 Oct 2010 8:01PM
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waxman said...

I have noticed that north have changed fabrics, it's f@ken bright

Break out the fluro zink, then get out and ride
The black ones look ok




Gotta say North get first prize this year for s**t graphics and colours, all the strength in the world wont make me buy one

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
15 Oct 2010 10:42PM
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The euros must love that sort of $hit and they are a lot bigger market than poor Aus, i think we have less than 10% of the world market so why would you cater to us.

If north gets 1st, i would think it was close as Cabrinha would definitely get second.



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