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Kahoona or Ozone Reo

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Created by Darkside > 9 months ago, 20 Dec 2011
Darkside
WA, 27 posts
20 Dec 2011 9:29PM
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Looking for a new kite, i am aiming at either the Kahoona, or the Reo. I am currently riding a 9M Waroo. What would you recommend.

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
21 Dec 2011 12:37AM
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Kahoona didn't impress me.



I bought Reo's and them.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
20 Dec 2011 9:48PM
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not comparable kites at all. Are you into serious wave riding. Kahoona more all round kite, the reo is the one of the best wave kites on the market, and built a such. Best is not in ozones league, but they build a good kite, they aren't crap either.

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
21 Dec 2011 1:18AM
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eppo said...

...they aren't crap either.


Beg to differ IMHO.

[}:)]

Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
21 Dec 2011 12:30AM
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Darkside, just go try them mate. Try the TS from Best also. I haven't been on the Reo, but it sounds solid from readings on here. But really, know one can decide better then yourself.

Joe

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
20 Dec 2011 11:57PM
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Demo them both.

I haven't tried the best kite but can vouch for the reo. Had the 8m in a perfect session a few weeks ago. It's an awesome wave kite in every regard.

Darren at scarbs has reo's and I think Phil at woodys has best

Bo
WA, 192 posts
21 Dec 2011 8:26AM
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What Rellie said. Personal choice would be Kahoona, its excellent. And I'm basing this on my V2. The new version, V4 raises the bar by several notches.

pumpnjump
WA, 264 posts
21 Dec 2011 9:06AM
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Both great kites, but as Joe says the Best TS is a full on wave kite, not as forgiving as the Kahoona, ignore surfingboye he hasn't a clue and uses every post possible to bash Best.
Quality wise Best are 1 of only 2 Brands built in the Performance sailcraft facility, this is the worlds most advanced sailmaking factory in Hong Kong and owned by the Neil Pryde Group, most of the others are built in China in one of the many clone factories as it is a lot cheaper.
As all the good advice says go and demo its the only way to know, good luck.

Juz M
NSW, 156 posts
21 Dec 2011 6:40PM
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I ride a 7.5m kahoona v2 and love it, have had a few best kites and cant fault them.

Ill be upgrading to new one once the v2 flogs out, its had a flogging the last 2 years and its still perfect!

tobes
NSW, 1000 posts
21 Dec 2011 7:34PM
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pumpnjump said...


Quality wise Best are 1 of only 2 Brands built in the Performance sailcraft facility, this is the worlds most advanced sailmaking factory in Hong Kong and owned by the Neil Pryde Group, most of the others are built in China in one of the many clone factories as it is a lot cheaper.


Ozone have their own factory in Vietnam, and have been top of the game in tube kite construction since they started in 2006 after years of making paragliders.
I can't fault the Reo, the 8m anyway (that's all I have), and as always Ozone have made a great flying kite without pullies.

But sure, demo if you can.

woodys
WA, 218 posts
21 Dec 2011 5:30PM
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eppo said...
Best is not in ozones league, but they build a good kite, they aren't crap either.


Thats a mighty big call eppo
I may be a Best retailer but for my money I would put Best up to test with Ozone and all the other leading brands anyday.
I was never impressed with Best in the early days either but the latest models fly like dreams & the build quality is the equal of anything out there.

One thing I have learnt very quickly as a retailer is that a kiters perception of kites is as variable as kites themselves. What one customer comes in frothing over will be the biggest heap of dung ever tried by the next one through the door. Who's right ? As far as each of them are concerned they both are.

Take the demo advice and make up ur own mind. Even that is something of a problem cos it takes time for most to really get to know a kite. Try ur hardest & hope u get it right.

woodys
WA, 218 posts
21 Dec 2011 5:44PM
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@ Darkside
Establish first your style. If you are looking for all round freeride performance; good for everything - not special at any one thing - then go the Kahoona or any other of the 4 line Delta(ish) shapes from any of the trusted names. (All the trusted names do one of these kites). They all work for waves but not as specifically suited that way.
If its mainly waves & surfboards and riding the wave like a purist then look at the TS & the Reo & the Noise etc. All of the wave specific kites 'should' be better suited to the requirements of the kite'surfer' but may be at the cost of some of the freeride qualities.
imho

orynoco
QLD, 271 posts
21 Dec 2011 10:05PM
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Just try a Rebel, you'll never look back.

I demo'd a kahoon a found it really difficult to dump the power when needed on a wave, its a very grunty kite when the winds up and needs a bit of attitude to ride.

Never had a go on the reo but owned a pair of catylasts, great kite for the surf and quite simalar to the reo from what i hear. Pitty about the low end power of the cats. Good for down the line riding, but if you want a kite thats gonna do almost everything really well then try a rebel.

SugarQube
WA, 490 posts
21 Dec 2011 8:23PM
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eppo said...

not comparable kites at all. Are you into serious wave riding. Kahoona more all round kite, the reo is the one of the best wave kites on the market, and built a such. Best is not in ozones league, but they build a good kite, they aren't crap either.


I see you have been around for a while Eppo, so you should know Best has never had to hide behind any other brand, their very first model was a great kite not just due to the price, which was a get 3 for the price of 2 deal back then.
The waroo of 2006 was ground breaking and the kite every one was raving about.
2007 and 2008 improved on that, and most companys coppied the design
Of course the hell fish was a dud, but every company has had kites that didnt deliver.
Comparing Kahoona with Reo is like comparing a mororbike and a quad

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
21 Dec 2011 10:23PM
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darkside test the best then test the ozone,pick the one you feel is for you , it doesnt matter what we think,its your hard earned thatll be paying for it ,i ride ozone edges ,ive tried all brands before deciding rebels, core, bandits,etc etc etc but nothing gets me lit like my edges ,its what suits you that matters , good luck with your choice cauncy

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
22 Dec 2011 2:34AM
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Well, at least Best made the Waroo which was bearable in 2006 + 2007, apart from the jellyfishing issues. Also I think they went wrong with trying to polish a turd; it doesn't matter how good the graphics look, if it flies like **** people won't buy it!!!

Reminded me of this video I made when I was incredibly bored...



[}:)]

airsail
QLD, 1535 posts
22 Dec 2011 7:56AM
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Hey Darkside,
Had the opportunity to test the Reo, Drifter and Rally the other day, all 9's, Reo was a 10. I normally ride Best, have done for years, I own a 5.5 V2 Kahoona and various other Best models, Waroo, Yarga and HP.

It will probably come down what your used to riding, Best has always made a fairly direct fealing kite where Ozone and Cabrinha have tended to be more indirect, the Drifter being more so than the Reo. I found I had to look at the kite more with these kites to see where they were while on the wave. Not that this in anyway puts these kites down, it is just what we get used to riding and really after a few sessions you will have any kite dialed.

You will feel very comfortable on the Kahoona straight away, just feels like a Best, what your used. But don't discount the Reo by the first go, the reviews are great and I would like to spend more time on it to get it dialed. On the downside of the Reo, I'm told it doesn't jump, I didn't use it on a twin tip so can't comment, maybe others can.

As for the Rally, just brilliant, loved this kite but once again it was nice and direct what I'm used to. Build quality on all the kites was excellent, but all kites are pretty good these days.
goodwinds

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
22 Dec 2011 9:35AM
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surfingboye said...

eppo said...

...they aren't crap either.


Beg to differ IMHO.

[}:)]



Have you tried the v4?? People whom I respect their opinion rate it as a very good kite. It's not in ozones league, but I reckon they are getting closer and the price is too. I just think they are two very different kites and not worth comparing.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
22 Dec 2011 9:37AM
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woodys said...

eppo said...
Best is not in ozones league, but they build a good kite, they aren't crap either.


Thats a mighty big call eppo
I may be a Best retailer but for my money I would put Best up to test with Ozone and all the other leading brands anyday.
I was never impressed with Best in the early days either but the latest models fly like dreams & the build quality is the equal of anything out there.

One thing I have learnt very quickly as a retailer is that a kiters perception of kites is as variable as kites themselves. What one customer comes in frothing over will be the biggest heap of dung ever tried by the next one through the door. Who's right ? As far as each of them are concerned they both are.

Take the demo advice and make up ur own mind. Even that is something of a problem cos it takes time for most to really get to know a kite. Try ur hardest & hope u get it right.





Yeh good points and my opinion are only based on the v2 and v3, haven't tried the v4

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
22 Dec 2011 9:46AM
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SugarQube said...

eppo said...

not comparable kites at all. Are you into serious wave riding. Kahoona more all round kite, the reo is the one of the best wave kites on the market, and built a such. Best is not in ozones league, but they build a good kite, they aren't crap either.


I see you have been around for a while Eppo, so you should know Best has never had to hide behind any other brand, their very first model was a great kite not just due to the price, which was a get 3 for the price of 2 deal back then.
The waroo of 2006 was ground breaking and the kite every one was raving about.
2007 and 2008 improved on that, and most companys coppied the design
Of course the hell fish was a dud, but every company has had kites that didnt deliver.
Comparing Kahoona with Reo is like comparing a mororbike and a quad





Yeh I was trying to get that message across, not comparable. For the record if choosing I would go the kahoona, because it goes pretty well in the waves but it will out boost the reo without even trying. Unless you are a dedicated wave rider ( I'm not, how boring), go the kahoona. Plus the kahoona is a very forgiving kite and drifts well. If they have fixed their twitch at the high end range, then kahoona would be a great kite.

Also I ride north gear now, had warroos, had kahoonas and the quality of build, kite and bar and ride I'm sorry just doesn't compare for me. Don't rate the redline bar at all. And I would put ozone up there with north. But but but, I haven't seen or tried the V4 nor the TS which Dave is raving about. I will though, because it was on best kites that took me out of the dark, dark hole of foil riding, don't get me wrong you buy a best kite you will be happy, but after 11 years of riding I reckon I know enough now the feel the difference, most wouldn't. Again it's all bulksh1t to one rides them back to back.

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
22 Dec 2011 9:51AM
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surfingboye said...

Well, at least Best made the Waroo which was bearable in 2006 + 2007, apart from the jellyfishing issues. Also I think they went wrong with trying to polish a turd; it doesn't matter how good the graphics look, if it flies like **** people won't buy it!!!

Reminded me of this video I made when I was incredibly bored...



[}:)]







Dude you are a tripper. You have to make some more of them. Yeh the jellyfishing on the warroos annoyed me and the high end twitch on the kahoonas, the jerky feel at the bar end, gave me the ****s as well. Still reasonable kites. Now I fly the rebels and their is no comparison, but I'm sure I will get bagged again for saying it. Wouldn't mind trying the TS though.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
22 Dec 2011 1:14PM
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If you're looking at Ozones then put the Catalyst on your list too. Better all-rounder than the REO if you want to do some twin-tipping too.

Incidentally, the REO boosts just fine when at the top of its range on a twintip.

Plummet
4862 posts
22 Dec 2011 10:45AM
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seems a common theme. Go ozone!!,,,

i use a little 6m reo as my stom kite. its a cracker. love it.

i run the 10m c4 as my every day kite. more dynamic than the reo. better for general TT fanging. good but not as good in the waves,

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
22 Dec 2011 2:12PM
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cauncy said...

darkside test the best then test the ozone,pick the one you feel is for you , it doesnt matter what we think,its your hard earned thatll be paying for it ,i ride ozone edges ,ive tried all brands before deciding rebels, core, bandits,etc etc etc but nothing gets me lit like my edges ,its what suits you that matters , good luck with your choice cauncy


^^ +1
I rode a Best Waroo for ages and had a lot of fun with it. Recently bought an Ozone Edge and am looooving it! Trucks upwind! Not a kite for wave riders though.
As mentioned by others, Ozone have their history in making paragliders. I am guessing that any company that makes a living making paragliders would have pretty good quality systems (or pretty good lawyers)

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
22 Dec 2011 7:36PM
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djdojo said...

If you're looking at Ozones then put the Catalyst on your list too. Better all-rounder than the REO if you want to do some twin-tipping too.

Incidentally, the REO boosts just fine when at the top of its range on a twintip.




Now that would be a better comparison, cat or a kahoona. Both all rounders. Reo wouldn't boost as good as the kahoona surely.

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
22 Dec 2011 10:45PM
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eppo said...

surfingboye said...

eppo said...

...they aren't crap either.


Beg to differ IMHO.

[}:)]



Have you tried the v4??


Positive.

djdojo said...
Incidentally, the REO boosts just fine when at the top of its range on a twin tip.


Negative, it drops you straight away (no loft at all).

JezzaFromCal
43 posts
23 Dec 2011 7:27AM
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There is a reason why Best sells more kites worldwide than any other brand. Sure, if you ask an Australian, they will tell you to go with a Slingshot or Ozone kite because that's what the stores push (I'm guessing they pull in a bit more margin).

I'm not saying Best is far better than an Ozone or Slingshot, but it's rather a personal preferrence. I've been flying Best kites for 7 years now. Their customer support is second to none, and if you ever have a problem, you can be assured you'll be looked after.

I had 2 of their original Waroo kites for over a year and I hated the way they flew because I was used to the "C" shape. After a couple of emails, they replaced two kites which were over a year old with brand new Nemesis HP kites free of charge!

I've since moved on to the Kahoona design as I'm a surf/surfboard rider, rather than a twintip/freestyle rider. I could not be happier. The kite sits perfectly in the window as you head down the line of any wave. The relaunch is super fast/easy, and you can be assured that even after dumping your kite in the surf, chances are it'll come up on the other side perfectly in-tact.

After 7 years, I have never had a Best kite fault me. Not once have I ever had a strut blow out, stitching come undone, or valve need replacing. The build quality is AWESOME.

I would suggest taking both brand kites out for a test. Whatever you feel more comfortable with, go with it! They are all built just as well as the other.

Good luck...

Jeremy

Bo
WA, 192 posts
23 Dec 2011 8:48AM
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Plummet said...

seems a common theme. Go ozone!!,,,

Yup, if you're into paragliding or buggy kiting [shivers]


dave......
WA, 2119 posts
23 Dec 2011 12:48PM
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Some good advice mentioned above. It depends on your style. I used my 8m TS yesterday for the first time, on a surfboard. It is a pure wave riding kite the way it drifts. I then went out on a 2HD nobile twinnie. The TS loops as well as an RPM 8m is more stable and has a better wind range, an is a superior wave kite. The RPM was my favourite kite until now. The TS and Ozone REO are closer to each other in that both are bridled C kites, the Kahoona is a 4 strut delta shape with no centre strut. If you are a beginner-intermediate the kahoona has better relaunch than the others and will progress your riding faster as they are very forgiving, right up to when you start unhooking. The other 2 are more for dedicated users, intermediate-advanced.

The 8M TS is not really suited for dedicated Wakestyle riding as it turns too fast, better kites in many brands for that, I think it will be the same for the reo.

Disclaimer: Team rider for Kite Surf and SUP Woodies and Scarbrough. By the way you can demo a TS anytime if they are not available, just PM me.

Plummet
4862 posts
23 Dec 2011 1:16PM
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Bo said...

Plummet said...

seems a common theme. Go ozone!!,,,

Yup, if you're into paragliding or buggy kiting [shivers]





hehhe... it amuses me that most kitesurfers don't get landkiting. theres times where landkiting is way more fun that kitesurfing!.... today i was doing well over 20 meter glides, jumping boulders doing 40+kph sliding around trucking upwind like theres no tomorrow. wind was 10-15 knots. there were a couple of kitesurfer mowing the lawn and doing the walk of shame....

hmmm walk of shame or jumping boulders. whats more fun????????????? easy choice for me.

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
23 Dec 2011 9:52PM
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JezzaFromCal said...

There is a reason why Best sells more kites worldwide than any other brand. Sure, if you ask an Australian, they will tell you to go with a Slingshot or Ozone kite because that's what the stores push (I'm guessing they pull in a bit more margin).

I'm not saying Best is far better than an Ozone or Slingshot, but it's rather a personal preferrence. I've been flying Best kites for 7 years now. Their customer support is second to none, and if you ever have a problem, you can be assured you'll be looked after.

I had 2 of their original Waroo kites for over a year and I hated the way they flew because I was used to the "C" shape. After a couple of emails, they replaced two kites which were over a year old with brand new Nemesis HP kites free of charge!

I've since moved on to the Kahoona design as I'm a surf/surfboard rider, rather than a twintip/freestyle rider. I could not be happier. The kite sits perfectly in the window as you head down the line of any wave. The relaunch is super fast/easy, and you can be assured that even after dumping your kite in the surf, chances are it'll come up on the other side perfectly in-tact.

After 7 years, I have never had a Best kite fault me. Not once have I ever had a strut blow out, stitching come undone, or valve need replacing. The build quality is AWESOME.

I would suggest taking both brand kites out for a test. Whatever you feel more comfortable with, go with it! They are all built just as well as the other.

Good luck...

Jeremy


Good to see that the Best build quality is finally being acknowledged by general public kiters out there. Anyone discounting Best these days because of outdated reputation are really doing themselves a dis-service. The 2012 Best kites can match it with ANY brand on build quality. The flying characteristics are there for you to try for yourself. Like any kite they will be perfect for some - not so for others but should definitely be on the list of possibilities for everyone.
For my 2c worth Im just really pleased I have them in our range.
Love the Kahoona but then I tried the new TS for the first time today . For some this is going to be a ground breaker. For me the Kahoona is still the do-it-all for me.



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