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KITESURFING BOARD - want to get into the waves

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Created by picker > 9 months ago, 1 Oct 2008
picker
VIC, 431 posts
1 Oct 2008 9:00PM
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Been riding a twin tip for a while now and have been looking to get a real surf board, can you give me some advice on what size to get? Im 70kg 6 foot tall, should i get straps, or can i get any surfboard and put some inserts in?

Thanks

DREW

Reevesy
QLD, 139 posts
2 Oct 2008 9:34AM
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Try a mutant like the RRD toxic wave, very best of both worlds.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
2 Oct 2008 12:28PM
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picker said...

Been riding a twin tip for a while now and have been looking to get a real surf board, can you give me some advice on what size to get? Im 70kg 6 foot tall, should i get straps, or can i get any surfboard and put some inserts in?

Thanks

DREW


Do you surf? If so, just ride that board-you'll heel dent it heaps and trash it if you jump it-otherwise it's great.

If not-depends upon so much.

Yes, you can just throw some straps on a surfboard-you can get stick on pads with strap inserts (NSI and Surftech sell them).

Straps are not necessary however-just add a little more security and stop you getting ripped off the board in gusty conditions etc.

Surftech boards are good as kite surf boards-although will still break.

At your weight and height-I'd suggest about a 6'0" board 18 1/2" wide and 2 1/4" thick-as a starter-pretty much the same as you'd surf (maybe slightly shorter) if you were a reasonable surfer. Again, this is not definitive-there are so many variables.

Very easy to pick up a cheapy used surf board-give it a go.

brucex
QLD, 701 posts
2 Oct 2008 3:58PM
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have a look at his article - it answer the your question and more

www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Ben-Wilson-Wave-Riding-Tips-Part-1_1500204.aspx

hope that helps - he has a dvd instructional as well

Brucex

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
2 Oct 2008 5:45PM
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picker said...

Been riding a twin tip for a while now and have been looking to get a real surf board, can you give me some advice on what size to get? Im 70kg 6 foot tall, should i get straps, or can i get any surfboard and put some inserts in?


I would hold off spending loads of dosh on a "kite" surfboard, mutant or otherwise (unless you have cash to burn that is), until you know what kind of board you want. Try to decide what kind of surfing with the kite you want to do.

i.e. (and obviously in very general terms.......)

toe in with the kite, park the kite then surf the wave. get a traditional surfboard sans straps.

toe in with the kite smash the wave with high powered moves, surfboard with straps(or ability to add/remove straps). Straps are also useful in massive surf.

ride up and down the waves doing odd huge jumps and holding your ground more easily. Go for a cross over board a.k.a. twintip thingey shaped a bit like a surfboard

use the waves as ramps and boost massive/wakestyle tricks etc, use a twintip

I went for a second hand(cheap) epoxy/tufflite/etc surfboard circa $200 until i got the hang of it. Board is pretty smashed up but stills rides well and i still use it. Something shorter and narrower than you normally surf on(very general guidelines as it will depend on your local surf break).

dazza5172
SA, 311 posts
2 Oct 2008 9:02PM
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We are the dedicated kitesurf surf crew in SA. I can't even ride a twini anymore, its too weird, like riding with an anchor tied to an esky lid. Don't get me wrong, I know its not like that but after riding with a purely designed directional strapped kitesurfboard in waves, don't look back.
I also started with a surfboard to get the gybing down, its like learning to surf with a big mal, perfect, so get an old surfboard and start riding, but once the surf is 3 ft, you are going to want something smaller.

Straps or no straps, I ride both, but I prefer straps, nothing beats the hardcore agression that straps provide, nothing.

Cut loose and free your spirit, get a pointy board and get into the waves, you know it.

Yeah baby YEAHHHH

In answer to your question I am 70 kg too and ride a 5'9" Rocket Fish, I have a 5' Freestyle fish and waiting to pick up my 5'10" 2009 Kontact board which replaces the rocket fish from 2008. I would suggest that a kitesurf board around 5'9 - 6' max depending on wind strength. As for surfboard anything 6'6" would be a good start, one with a bit of volume and floatation, say 2 1/2 " deep and 19 - 21 inches wide, but that's just a guide, just don't go too small with the surfboard.

Dazza





ianyoung
WA, 649 posts
2 Oct 2008 7:45PM
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www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41576

picker
VIC, 431 posts
3 Oct 2008 9:22AM
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Cheers everyone for all the info.

Thanks for all your help, can't wait to get out there...

au_rick
WA, 752 posts
3 Oct 2008 8:59AM
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I'm 74kg and ride a Cabrinha 5'3" directional, it rocks in all conditions.
Forget the twin tips, get a directional, take the time to get it wired, and you'll never go back to a twin tip for wave riding.
Riding switch foot will do heaps for your board riding and surfing skills too !

Beer Bong
WA, 350 posts
3 Oct 2008 2:15PM
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Picture this all you natural footers on strapped directionals boards with one thigh bigger than the other......

Wind sideshore from the right - Sandy Pt Vic if you must know. Bashing out through the surf heelside (I've never seen anyone climb 8 foot foam walls going toeside btw except maybe Kitehard)

Alright you've made it past the foam and there a nice wall building in front of you. You try to gybe on the face and dance your feet around to get to your natural stance, but the chop, speed and adrenaline have other ideas and you get slammed and miss the wave of the day. This has happened alot.

I'm seriously considering going back to a twinnie, if a board like say the Hammer 144 is all they say it is. A quick 180 ollie and you're set to ride that mother down the line........

Thoughts ?

Hunter S
WA, 516 posts
3 Oct 2008 2:32PM
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Beer Bong !

No way - miss the the buzz of a good top turn takeoff!. As someone who's always had to paddle for waves I reckon the top turn is one of the best parts of kiting for waves.

It's painful when you blow them but so sweet when they work

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
8 Oct 2008 12:42PM
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Beerbong,

I NEVER switch stance always heel or toe (yes I'm natural and yes my right calf and thigh are bigger/stronger than my left as a result)-as a long long time surfer/skater/snowboarder (who sucks at fakie) there's no way I'd switch stance-just go out toe side-it's as easy to get out through it toe as heel (just takes practice-look at Ben W. he has no issue and he's often unstrapped).

And as Hunter S says-that initial top turn/reo from toe to heel as you drive up the face and turn off the lip as you pick up the wave is EPIC:





Get a grip-keep at it-it just takes time.

Forget about the spin tips in the waves-it's NOT kiteSURFING.......

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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8 Oct 2008 10:14AM
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Hey Picker,

Have a look at the 2009 Airush Converse 6' surfboard. This is an unbelievably good board.

I rode it on head to head and a half clean down the line waves at an undisclosed location around Exmouth. This board blew my mind. Perfect speed and control, loose and so forgiving yet precise in handling. I had such so many euphoric moments on this board that I will never forget. Honestly this is the finest surfboard I have ever ridden on a kite.

Please try one and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Click the link and scroll to the bottom of the page.

Good winds,



kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=48

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
8 Oct 2008 1:22PM
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Kitehard said...

Hey Picker,

Have a look at the 2009 Airush Converse 6' surfboard. This is an unbelievably good board.

I rode it on head to head and a half clean down the line waves at an undisclosed location around Exmouth. This board blew my mind. Perfect speed and control, loose and so forgiving yet precise in handling. I had such so many euphoric moments on this board that I will never forget. Honestly this is the finest surfboard I have ever ridden on a kite.

Please try one and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Click the link and scroll to the bottom of the page.

Good winds,



kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=48


Looks like a great board. Was it the waves or the board that were so memorable?
Kitehard said...euphoric moments


However, that'd be a big investment first up-I say get yourself a cheapy surfboard (if you don't already have one) and give it a go-you can then work out if that style of riding is for you-then take a look around at what's available.

I highly recommend John Amundson's designs- http://www.amundsoncustoms.com/

He shapes GREAT boards and is a very cool guy.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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8 Oct 2008 11:26AM
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loco4olas said...


Looks like a great board. Was it the waves or the board that were so memorable?
Kitehard said...euphoric moments


However, that'd be a big investment first up-I say get yourself a cheapy surfboard (if you don't already have one) and give it a go-you can then work out if that style of riding is for you-then take a look around at what's available.

I highly recommend John Amundson's designs- http://www.amundsoncustoms.com/

He shapes GREAT boards and is a very cool guy.


Hi loco4olas,

It was a combination of the best wave and the best board. Blew my mind being on such a fine wave and having a board that allowed me to ride it as hard as I dared and felt so amazing. The right gear does make wave riding a pleasure.

You're right about John and his boards, he builds great boards and has been a bit of a legend in hawaii shaping top surfboards back as far as 2002. I used to ride with John a lot at 'Mokes' on Oahu's north shore. Top Bloke and a good rider too.

I'd also happily ride an ammundson custom

Good winds,

bobdaboarder
NSW, 185 posts
8 Oct 2008 7:50PM
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just get yourself a cheap surfboard off e bay. learn to ride it on lake or bay then hit the waves. straps not needed. i just use same size board as i surf on. no need to spend a $1000 on a dedicated kite surfboard.

loco4olas
NSW, 1525 posts
8 Oct 2008 10:12PM
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rob1977 said...

just get yourself a cheap surfboard off e bay. learn to ride it on lake or bay then hit the waves. straps not needed. i just use same size board as i surf on. no need to spend a $1000 on a dedicated kite surfboard.


Totally agree-except the eBay bit-there's HEAPS of cheapy boards around-if you were near me I'd give you one of mine.....

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
30 Dec 2008 1:36PM
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Bump.

I'm thinking of a board that I could potentially take the straps off and try paddling into a wave, but would 97% of the time have straps on with a kite. Then as I progress I might try strapless, but that's for later on.

I'm 108kg most of the time, 6'2" tall. What length board should I be thinking about?

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
30 Dec 2008 3:03PM
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A malha

Hunter S
WA, 516 posts
30 Dec 2008 1:13PM
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I started off with the dual purpose (paddle and kite) board concept in mind.

Personally I think the dual purpose board idea is flawed, as the two activities are very different. I found my surf kiting improved when I bought a kite specific surfboard

The main differences that affect board design are
- the need for more floatation when paddling - influences board width and rail thickness
- the speed that a board can travel at when kited
- fin angle - surfboard fins are usually more toed in than kite surfboard fins

I do kite a surfboard strapless sometimes when the wind is light but I change the centre fin to a small one. This makes the board much better behaved when kited.

Just my opinion

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
30 Dec 2008 2:18PM
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lotofwind said...

A malha






Hunter: Cheers, I'll keep that in mind. The board size I was thinking of seems a bit small for me to traditionally surf, but didn't want to say it out loud in the hope someone else suggested a size...

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
30 Dec 2008 6:41PM
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I think you should not even consider getting a kite surfboard until you are really really solid on toeside (it only needs to be on one side). If you can charge all day and ride upwind on toeside then you can jump on a kite surfboard and get some use out of it straight away.

Ideally you should have some surf experience with a twintip so you know how to get out through waves and stuff.

Once you've done that you can borrow a few demo kite surfboards from a shop and really try them out and see which ones you like.

I didn't like the Rocket Fish but had a great time on an S-Quad so I bought that. Even though I could ride it straight away it still took a while to get the straps set up to my liking and get everything happening that way it should.

cordialguy
NSW, 8 posts
6 Jan 2009 9:31PM
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A mal is not such a bad idea. I ride mine most of the time in surf. I have ridden longboards for 20+ years as a surfer, and now to be able to get out the back with out paddling is awesome. Oh, forget the straps. I do thoroughly recommend that you do a ben Wilson wave clinic, as in about 20 minutes he will teach you the fundamentals of riding unstrapped, and unhooked. I did his trip to BAli in July last year, and it opened up a whole new world to me....



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