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Joondalup residents onside

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Created by WAKSA > 9 months ago, 6 Apr 2010
WAKSA
WA, 813 posts
6 Apr 2010 9:04PM
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Here's an email received by the WAKSA c'tee over Easter from one of the 7000 Joondalup households that were sent circulars pleading for kiter support via the online survey for the Joondalup Beach Management Plan.
No way of knowing how many may have responded but obviously the message was well received by some ........ read on ........


Just thanking you so much for the information bulletin that was letterboxed to residents in the Mullaloo area. Without it we would not have known about what could happen to Kite surfers in our area. We love what you do and the incredible display you put on our coastline. We have complete faith that you will manage kite surfing safely and effectively on our coastal beaches. Our family spands from Sorrento to Ocean Reef, brothers and parents and grandparents... and you have all our support. We hope you receive positive response from other residents. Beaches are to be shared by all general public and all recognised associations. As members of SAWA (skimboarding assoc of w.a) we would be devastated if our chance to enjoy the sport was revoked by the councils. So heres hoping we get to look at the gorgeous array of kites on our coast while enjoying our dinner for the next 50 years. Our kids love watching you too and we love that we have to pull over at pinnaroo so they can watch you... we hope you keep it alive at pinnaroo so our 5 year old can enjoy it in the future.
Kind Regards and all the very best, "name supplied" (Mullaloo)


How nice is that
Lets hope that enough responded to help tip the balance in our favour.
If you would like to see what was sent you can find a copy of the flier on the WAKSA website. See...
www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=waksa&e=com

names edited out on manics good advice.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
7 Apr 2010 1:05AM
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Yah, thats awesome, hopefully many more like that to help you all out...

But i think you should be removing their names (unless you asked permission to put their names up on the intermathingy )

GranG
WA, 257 posts
7 Apr 2010 12:58AM
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WAKSA crew... what great effort.
It is nice to know you guys are putting in all this work for a greater good...

Thx!

LouD
WA, 642 posts
7 Apr 2010 7:12AM
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Poor old Riptorn will be fuming.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Apr 2010 8:28AM
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Great to see common sense & decency starting to show; helped along I'm sure, in no small part by WAKSA & the other groups involved.
Good work guys!

Riptorn
WA, 19 posts
7 Apr 2010 2:36PM
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Im not sure what you mean by poor ole Riptorn? The population of the City of Joondalup is 160,000 and your so called association has only contacted 7,000? If we take a measure of success as 30% responding to the survey (either way) then that is 48,000 ratepayers and dog owners v 2,100 suppossibly sympathetic kite voters?

Poor ole Loud

But as I have said before many of us believe that the shire is on the right track and will allocate specific times for kities and other sports so that beachgoers and dog owners can also have the beach to themselves and that is fair.

However my personal view is that local beachgoers, Windsurfers and jet skis were at Pinnaroo along time before Kities and that they have priority at Pinnaroo.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Apr 2010 3:28PM
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Your logic is awesome Riptorn/Frogman!

Kick all the cars off the roads, horse & carts have the priority!

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
7 Apr 2010 5:53PM
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Riptorn said...

Im not sure what you mean by poor ole Riptorn? The population of the City of Joondalup is 160,000 and your so called association has only contacted 7,000? If we take a measure of success as 30% responding to the survey (either way) then that is 48,000 ratepayers and dog owners v 2,100 suppossibly sympathetic kite voters?

Poor ole Loud

But as I have said before many of us believe that the shire is on the right track and will allocate specific times for kities and other sports so that beachgoers and dog owners can also have the beach to themselves and that is fair.

However my personal view is that local beachgoers, Windsurfers and jet skis were at Pinnaroo along time before Kities and that they have priority at Pinnaroo.



It's one thing when you pass around jokes on an internet forum, but when you're outright pushing for a ban on a sport, whatever sport, is a total dick move. Are you just too bigoted to understand and allow change? Things can't always been as they were 20 years ago. Kiters have just as much rights to use the beach as a person walking a dog or having a surf. The problem isn't the kiters, it's awareness.

The solution is not to ban kiters, but raise awareness amongst them, so why don't you push for that? If you were really after a more pleasant time at the beach, and not just a bloke with a personal resentment towards kiters, you would be doing this already.

So why do you hate kiters so much? You do realise the implications of this ban can affect us nation wide?

Zed
WA, 1273 posts
7 Apr 2010 4:34PM
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It's been the general apathy of responsible Kiters towards the irresponsible ones that is to blame. Rather than doing something about it they've just shrugged their shoulders - "not our problem...". Now Kiters are being faced with being banned/restricted everyone suddenly seems concerned and wants to do something to prevent the ban.... well that ship has well and truly sailed, if the ban doesn’t go ahead now, it will do in the near future and you’ve got no one to blame but yourselves. I may sound a bit smug, but I genuinely think it’s a shame, I mostly poley dance, but have just got into kiting & just bought a kite & am loving it so this most definitely isn’t about Kiters vs Poleys, it’s about seeing foolish people on Kites being allowed to do foolish things, whilst other foolish people on Kites hang around with their thumbs up their ar$$es doing absolutely nothing.

LouD
WA, 642 posts
7 Apr 2010 4:37PM
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Poor ole Loud

Mate, I very seldom kite at Mullas or Pinnas these days, so I dont have a lot to lose by your bleatings or any decision made by Joondalup Council, but I get pissed off when a small minority of Joondalup coastal residents consider these beaches as their own private property and organise petitions/campaigns against others that have the cheek to use their beach. This is Australia. The beaches belong to everyone.

Anyway, you might get your way and then you can happily carry on lawnmowing pinnaroo(up and down, up and down) on your windsurfer by yourself , content in the knowledge that you have F....d up the beach for a lot of other users.

BTW, like a lot of kiters, I am an ex windsurfer myself(18 yrs) and still have great respect for fellow windsurfers, but I think that you and some of your mates are changing that for many kiters. Im not convinced the majority of windsurfers are supportive of you, and I am still not convinced that you are what you say you are!


Keep it up.

Lou



richswing
WA, 724 posts
7 Apr 2010 4:56PM
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Hey ZED,

Welcome to the addiction, how much are you selling your pole dancing gear for - my brother inlaw is looking for some gear.

Cheers
Rich

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
7 Apr 2010 5:05PM
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Riptorn said...
The population of the City of Joondalup is 160,000 and your so called association has only contacted 7,000? If we take a measure of success as 30% responding to the survey (either way) then that is 48,000 ratepayers and dog owners v 2,100 suppossibly sympathetic kite voters?


Your statistics are a woeful as your logic and IQ.
7000 households X 3.67 ppl per house = 25690 people contacted
If as you suggest we get 30% = 7707
Thats more than one vote per flier - game over - kiters win.

But we had one respondent claiming a support rate of 7 households.
Lets use that proven sample instead of your guesswork. Sounds fair.
Thats 7 x 3.67 = 25 votes per flier WOW 7000 x 25 = 175000 votes for kiting

Awesome result for our 'so called' ??? association.

keep it shut & keep em guessing or open it and remove all doubt - there's no doubt bout some ppl round here.


Harumaki
NSW, 68 posts
7 Apr 2010 7:15PM
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Riptorn said...
The population of the City of Joondalup is 160,000 and your so called association has only contacted 7,000? If we take a measure of success as 30% responding to the survey (either way) then that is 48,000 ratepayers and dog owners v 2,100 suppossibly sympathetic kite voters?


Statistically speaking, 30% is an awesome survey response and is statistically significant and more than credible.

Also another point is that it I would think it was pretty embarrassing to try and ban a sport which is on the verge of becoming Olympic - but that is just by the way - we have a lot of work yet.

Riptorn
WA, 19 posts
8 Apr 2010 10:02AM
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Hey Puppet my survey stats are only an indication as is yours simply to make a point re your associations 7,000 mail drop. Dont get agro mate its all cool

However we will never really know how big the dog owners and ratepayers action and response was for kitie bans other than it must be significant enough to cause Shire action. Thats what you should be worried about. Kities must undertand that it is sheer arrogance to believe that they can do whatever, whenever they want and disregard other who love to walk along the beach and enjoy the peace and views. Not to look out and see 100 kites, you just don't get it do you?

Quite simply I believe a fair result from the shire is to place kities further south away from Pinnaroo towards the horse beach to help reduce the burden on the beach and carpark.

Riptorn
WA, 19 posts
8 Apr 2010 10:08AM
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Harumaki, if you are in NSW then you have no idea of the situation here.
1. You may be unaware that Kities already have free use of beach areas in the northern Suburbs of Perth from Mindari all the wat south to Leighton beach approximately 40 to 50 kms. There are a few exceptions however on any given day you can see hundreds of kites all the way down the coast so they really do have plenty of room.

2. They are just trying to bully local ratepayers and dog owners so that they can move in to a small beach called Pinnaroo Point. its a shame

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
8 Apr 2010 10:23AM
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Riptorn/Frogman said...

Kities must undertand that it is sheer arrogance to believe that they can do whatever, whenever they want and disregard other who love to walk along the beach and enjoy the peace and views.


You keep saying this, yet constantly you refuse to back up this strong statement with provable facts/statements.

C'mon champ, put up or stop posting fabrications.


(note the smilies, this means no aggro from me)

Riptorn
WA, 19 posts
9 Apr 2010 2:31PM
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Well I have been happy to have access to this forum so at least a few kities can see the other side. However I realise that most don't care about any other person, just themselves. But as I said, at least I have had my say which is a good thing.

Now it's all up to the City of Joondalup to develop policy on the use of it's beaches and I simply hope they realise that it's not all about jet skies, polys and kities...yes I mentioned polys! Many people like to go down to the beach like we always used to and simply enjoy it without the visual pollution.

Thanks for allowing my say



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