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Incident at Melville Wed. 21/10?

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Created by gruezi > 9 months ago, 23 Oct 2009
gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
23 Oct 2009 9:15PM
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Heard of a kite mare at about 3:30.......anyone who was there know anything? Any photos?

sci
WA, 762 posts
23 Oct 2009 9:47PM
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I had to ask one patron to stop swinging his kite through the window over the road. He adjusted his reel leash, helmet and body armour and stopped.

There are a number of fresh KOOKS from the oven that need to be nurtured and given some useful advice about the spot.

Keep you KOOK radar switched on.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
24 Oct 2009 11:26AM
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sci said...

I had to ask one patron to stop swinging his kite through the window over the road. He adjusted his reel leash, helmet and body armour and stopped.

There are a number of fresh KOOKS from the oven that need to be nurtured and given some useful advice about the spot.

Keep you KOOK radar switched on.




you guys are gonna lose that spot. how can you control all the kooks

Idiot
WA, 577 posts
24 Oct 2009 10:40AM
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All the trouble comes from one house.
I think waksa should rent that house for their office and life will be fun again.

harrysurfer
WA, 254 posts
24 Oct 2009 11:08AM
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i heard about it yesterday but i dont know if it is true. apparently the kite flew across the road and the bar smashed the windscreen of a parked car and the kite ended up in someones front lawn. this may have actually happened on thurs or wed.
i have also heard that apparently there is only one person complaining re kiting at melville and they are a real estate agent.
the problen is that melville is a fairly good spot to learn when away from the trees and the road so im sure there will always be minor incidents there. kiters just need to respect that area and make sure they dont interfere with non kiters.
my mate lost his surfboard there on thurs and it drifted towards south perth. anyone seen it? lol

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
24 Oct 2009 12:15PM
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All of us who value kiting in Perth need to rally to find out who this person was and what happened? Get the info. out in the open and now. By watching and mumbling to yourselves you are part of the problem....we need solutions. I say only tagged kiters at Perth beaches period!

Loose cannons and idiots need to be identified as the rogues that they are, otherwise they will wreck havoc on our kite freedoms in Perth.

Like I have said a zillion times....if we lose Melville, then the learners and nuts will appear where ever there are kites out........and one beach at a time will fall to the hysterical minority.

moon waxing
WA, 310 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:29PM
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I still think until there are a number of signs with text and diagrams explaining the protocol people will still claim ignorance.

On a few occasions I've flagged to people to move away from the beach or position the kite away from the road only to be greeted with Uh? What? Didn't realise.

harrysurfer
WA, 254 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:43PM
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no one should need a sign. its called commonsense and courtesy

Mister Dugong
368 posts
24 Oct 2009 2:12PM
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I used to live in melville and would do this for yews but i am not close enough so try this,

Some one make a sign attach a petition to it and put it up as soon as possible,
dont wait for the council they are gonna rape yas in the ass anyway so you may as well get constructive.

Keep it simple

ie All kiting to be performed past markers to keep foreshore safe.

Get commitment and cover your asses

ie all kiters must acknowledge rules by signing below

insite action

ie additional signatures are required for a petition to be tabled to the council demanding that approved signage is installed and (you may hate this but) that fines should apply if rules are not followed.

Lets face it give the council a reason to raise revenue and they will back flip!!!!

One of you locals can surely give it a crack

Also
And where does the local kite surfing association stand on ensuring that kiting reserves are maintained safely in populated areas?

Factory
WA, 266 posts
24 Oct 2009 3:23PM
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harrysurfer said...

no one should need a sign. its called commonsense and courtesy



Agreed!!

However, remember this is Perth. Common sense and especially courtesy come second to self centeredness, selfishness and ignorance.

I cant believe how many morons are about these days. Things really need to be spelled out for these knuckleheads.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
24 Oct 2009 6:21PM
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Here's some food for thought....for WAKSA/AKSA

"self-regulation means no regulation. Market discipline doesn’t exist with irrational exuberance and reliance on internal risk management models that don’t work." from Dr. Doom himself, Nouriel Roubini, 23/10/09.

buckwheat
WA, 85 posts
24 Oct 2009 6:54PM
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Met the guy yesterday whose rear windscreen was broken - he's a kiter who lives locally.

I'm low on details on *why* it happened - something about the guy not actually being attached to his kite - but either way he let it go, the bar smashed the guys windscreen, and kite went across the road and got caught on the second storey of a house across the road.

If you're doing things properly, this stuff shouldn't happen at Melville. Sure the winds can be variable, but if your kite is always over the water and your safety systems are setup and used, the damage should always be restricted to the kiting side of the road.

Bloody annoying.

ianmac
WA, 267 posts
24 Oct 2009 9:36PM
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all good points ! we kite at swanny during the winter no crew around all good and safe, i see a number of crew turning up here in the last few weeks and even a lesson going on , we need to be careful and keep away from the swimmers as they start to turn up in numbers in the warmer weather,.
actaully we should all go down a further 50 mtrs, no one of down there !!!!

sebol
WA, 753 posts
24 Oct 2009 11:30PM
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How many windscreens would have been broken by stray golf balls????
Have you seen many golf courses being shut down?

One kite incident and suddenly the subject of banning kiting is raised again.

I am all for safe practice and against stupid behaviour and positive encouragement to newbies but stop adknowledging guilt and talking with councils, please don't approve of banning areas on behalf of all kiters.

Melville is a very safe area with no powerlines and shalow flat water, respect the rules already in place and stay past the markers but if an incident occurs once in a while,please don't make a mountain out of it.

Don't post about it and don't give aggro to the minority of stupid cashed up residents frothing at the mouth with the opportunity to collect a Kodac moment.

Just ignore them,

I could be wrong but that's my call

matty19
WA, 18 posts
26 Oct 2009 11:09AM
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yeah i seen it happen, it was a kiter with a doona launching himself and things went wrong. if you want photos/footage the lady next door got plenty. the doona merchant didn't hang around long after getting kite off the roof/ rose bushes.

Idiot
WA, 577 posts
26 Oct 2009 11:18AM
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matty19 said...

... if you want photos/footage the lady next door got plenty...


The days that there are no accidents she is so disappointed, she is sitting in back of the window with her camera and checking seabreeze forecast and thinking;

"Bring on the summer's sea breeze, where are all the kiters?"

We are the only hobby she have guys, if they ban us from there she have nothing to live for, she might even kill herself.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
26 Oct 2009 11:32AM
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just sounds like she needs a good shag, one of u guys are gona have to sacrifice yourselves.. pull a her and photograph it, the evidence would be rather good leverage.

matty19
WA, 18 posts
26 Oct 2009 11:55AM
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i don't have me boilers ticket yet, i'm willing.

ashkiter
QLD, 431 posts
26 Oct 2009 2:41PM
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buckwheat said...



If you're doing things properly, this stuff shouldn't happen at Melville. Sure the winds can be variable, but if your kite is always over the water and your safety systems are setup and used, the damage should always be restricted to the kiting side of the road.

Bloody annoying.


Well there is a good idea - Kite over the water ONLY - Isn't that common sence - kite into the shore - stop 20mtrs out (its only Knee deep water kids) and switch the kite over to the water side.......

EASY - No complaints

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
26 Oct 2009 12:52PM
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Obviously there are some tireless folks out there attemptin to create a good vibe and minimise disturbance from kiting etc. However, me thinks some kiters need to remove their head (and blinker assembly) from their butts.

Try to think for a moment what it is like to actually live in the area if you are not a kiter/poley?

Regardless of the reasons, blame, noobs, Euros (whatever) you would get p!ssed pretty darn quickly if your peace n quiet - or worse your property - were potentially damaged on a semi-regular (even occasional) basis all summer. A quick peruse of this site confirms that these 'incidents' happen roughly weekly.

Remember some folks, including the old lady that got bagged here, have lived there longer than kiteboarding has even existed. She has a very justified position and why wouldn't she be doing everything she can to get rid of this menace that has ruined (for her at least) the tranquil vibe she paid mega-bucks to enjoy? The poor old duck probably doesn't even feel safe to stroll in the park on the weekend or arvos. Seriously - that is fkd and a shame for folks/kids etc like her.

KITES are the problem - not residents. GET IT?? Residents pay big money/rates to live there. Kiters use/abuse the public space for no $$ at all. Still think Kiters are getting a raw deal?

In case you still can't get past the blinkers how would you feel if a skate park, motorcross venue etc etc, suddenly appeared accross the road one summer with the accompanying circus and problems becoming a bigger pain in the freckle each year? You'd be camped on the veranda with the camera ready to help rid yourself of these pests pronto I bet.



Have spent my 2c for the day now.

Slack
WA, 685 posts
26 Oct 2009 12:58PM
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getfunky said...

Obviously there are some tireless folks out there attemptin to create a good vibe and minimise disturbance from kiting etc. However, me thinks some kiters need to remove their head (and blinker assembly) from their butts.

Try to think for a moment what it is like to actually live in the area if you are not a kiter/poley?

Regardless of the reasons, blame, noobs, Euros (whatever) you would get p!ssed pretty darn quickly if your peace n quiet - or worse your property - were potentially damaged on a semi-regular (even occasional) basis all summer. A quick peruse of this site confirms that these 'incidents' happen roughly weekly.

Remember some folks, including the old lady that got bagged here, have lived there longer than kiteboarding has even existed. She has a very justified position and why wouldn't she be doing everything she can to get rid of this menace that has ruined (for her at least) the tranquil vibe she paid mega-bucks to enjoy? The poor old duck probably doesn't even feel safe to stroll in the park on the weekend at arvos. Seriously - that is fkd and a shame for folks/kids etc like her.

KITES are the problem - not residents. GET IT?? Residents pay big money/rates to live there. Kiters use/abuse the public space for no $$ at all. Still think Kiters are getting a raw deal?

In case you still can't get past the blinkers how would you feel if a skate park, motorcross venue etc etc, suddenly appeared accross the road one summer with the accompanying circus and problems becoming a bigger pain in the freckle each year? You'd be camped on the veranda with the camera ready to help rid yourself of these pests pronto I bet.



Have spent my 2c for the day now.


For once I agree with you Funky

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
26 Oct 2009 1:04PM
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Oh fk - I must be talkin bollocks then Slacko.



Give n take folks. Not take n take n whinge "Oh all the old codgers hate us n want us banned..whinge whinge.. hope mum picks me up in the Prado soon."

BTW, bl00dy good thing the window that was damaged was a kiter's car or it would be on for banning already and the season is only just starting.

Factory
WA, 266 posts
26 Oct 2009 2:17PM
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^^^ very good points funkster in both your last posts here, very good points indeed!

N1CK
WA, 45 posts
10 Nov 2009 9:29AM
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I was there when it happened, didnt see it happen but saw a girl running on the beach and asked her what had happened.
She told me this: Apparently she had landed someones kite and put it down on the beach, the guy disconnected from the kite and when she wanted to put sand on kite to secure it she let it go with both hands and the kite flipped over and flew away.. that is if this was the same incident.. i saw more then one incident that day..

sci
WA, 762 posts
10 Nov 2009 10:08AM
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getfunky said...
KITES are the problem - not residents. GET IT?? Residents pay big money/rates to live there. Kiters use/abuse the public space for no $$ at all. Still think Kiters are getting a raw deal?


The road, verge and river are 'PUBLIC' property not the reserve of those that can afford it. Residents there have purchased a block of land and that it where it ends. I totally disagree with you that kites abuse the public space as well. The majority of users care a great deal for the spot and I have witnessed on many occasions self policing of the activities on the water.

The limited number of residents affected by the activity on the river is relatively slim and is only an issue for a small portion of the calendar year. None of us have the luxury of choosing who we share our surroundings with for example if your model neighbor sells their property to a beer swilling, Death metal loving bogan - you are not in control here so you are just going to have to deal with it in the same way as the affected locals will.





getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
10 Nov 2009 11:25AM
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Hey Sci,

I am not trying to say these folks have a greater claim to public property than anyone else. Residents property/cars have been damaged before and no doubt will again, despite all the best precautions and intentions.

I was also talking about people who just want to enjoy the public facilities in that area. Yep - there are other options around too. As you say beer swilling tools are a pain and if one rampaged into your yard/through your picnic/garroted your child I imagine you'd be wanting a fair few choice words with the Bundy fiend.

I don't kite on the river but from what i have read I'd agree with you that the majority of kiters there have their heads on correctly.

My point is though that residents aren't causing problems, kiters are. When was the last time you saw an unattached house cross the road, rampage through a picnic and end up stuck in a tree (dislodging a Cabrinha in the process).

It only takes one tool a day to create havoc. Everyone (kiter or not) would be justifiably p!ssed if they had to put up with this cr@p on their doorstep every windy day. Every windy day - think about that for a sec. Not just the 2 days you may go kiting there a week, every bl00dy day in summer there is wind. The poor buggers must be stoked when a windless week comes along. They can humbly enjoy their surroundings and maybe even go for a picnic at the water with their kids without a clown circus.


Anyway - don't get me wrong i am not calling for a banning etc, but criticising the residents is off camber I reckon.

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
10 Nov 2009 2:35PM
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Factor 5 said...

harrysurfer said...

no one should need a sign. its called commonsense and courtesy



Agreed!!

However, remember this is Perth. Common sense and especially courtesy come second to self centeredness, selfishness and ignorance.

I cant believe how many morons are about these days. Things really need to be spelled out for these knuckleheads.


Sounds like QLD

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
10 Nov 2009 12:04PM
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Sumpin about boom mtimes seem to bring out the worst in excess and selfishness. All cash - no brains or concern for fellow beings. Sad.

staunchy
WA, 50 posts
10 Nov 2009 1:02PM
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that place IS an accident waiting to happen.please explain why you guys even kite there....i just dont get it.launching kites towards the water should always happen where ever you are.are we talking lucky bay am i correct...i went there when i was learning,i saw that that much dangerous stuff go on.gusty horrible crap if you ask me.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
10 Nov 2009 2:33PM
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Big mouths who don't kite at Melville should keep their mouths shut.

Melville is many a kiter's local...some kiters actually live in the neighborhood.....get it fellas. We like the place, the grass, easy in and out, no low life criminals. Please respect our beach by keeping kites out of trees etc. and do your learning out from the shore.

The river is a totally underutilized Metro resource. Before kiters the place was almost devoid of people. No one swims in it, too shallow for boating, the water is tepid and warm.............need I say more.

staunchy
WA, 50 posts
10 Nov 2009 4:34PM
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mate i live fu**en 5 mins from there.ive had many a chat with other big mouths who totally agree with me.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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