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How to do humungus jumps without a ramp

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Created by wishy > 9 months ago, 25 Nov 2009
wishy
WA, 1501 posts
25 Nov 2009 6:19PM
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Hi,
I can jump pretty well out in the surf and off little bits of chop, but would like to know the step by step technique for doing insane-big jumps without the assistance of a nicely shaped section of water.

for example:
-How sheeted in should I be while redirecting?
-Should I crank the bar the whole way in once I feel the boost coming through?
-People talk about 'loading the lines up' - does this mean flying the kite to 11oclock and leaning back?
-When is the best moment to fly the kite back the other way again so that you don't go under it and make the strings floppy?
-What should I be doing while airborne in terms of sheeting in and sheeting out and when?
-How much forward speed should I have when I flick the kite?

(im pretty sure i'll figure out the answers to these eventually by trial and error, but any tips greatly appreciated)

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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25 Nov 2009 11:02PM
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wishy said...

Hi,
I can jump pretty well out in the surf and off little bits of chop, but would like to know the step by step technique for doing insane-big jumps without the assistance of a nicely shaped section of water.

for example:
-How sheeted in should I be while redirecting?
You should be fully sheeted in for maximum performance in the turn and speed of redirect.

-Should I crank the bar the whole way in once I feel the boost coming through?
It should already be in at full power, so just keep it on!

-People talk about 'loading the lines up' - does this mean flying the kite to 11oclock and leaning back?
No, it means keeping your edge and then loading is done by carving the board upwind at point of maximum pull from the kite.

-When is the best moment to fly the kite back the other way again so that you don't go under it and make the strings floppy?
Once you lose your forward speed through the air and the kite is moving upwind of you, at that point you'll feel the kite start to drop you, redirect, and allow the speed of the kite to slow your descent to a soft landing, or loop it when it's over your head.

-What should I be doing while airborne in terms of sheeting in and sheeting out and when?
You should have sheeted in at the point just before the redirect, you keep it in the entire time, do not let the bar in or out once you have full power.

-How much forward speed should I have when I flick the kite?
Forward speed is not as important as good loading and a nice edge on take off combined with perfect redirect. If your forward speed is too high, you won't be able to load the lines properly and your timing will be off.

Kickers aren't required in fact at last years Kitestock, I got all my biggest jumps of dead flat water, the speed I was hitting the kickers was too high and just threw me off my loading. Once I slowed down and used the flat water which allowed me to use "feel", then I started going bigger.

(im pretty sure i'll figure out the answers to these eventually by trial and error, but any tips greatly appreciated)


Cheers mate, hope this helps,

KH

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
26 Nov 2009 6:58AM
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Thanks for taking the time to write back to this mate. Couldn't have asked for a better response.

odetojak
NSW, 54 posts
26 Nov 2009 2:42PM
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I seem to have a problem of late, whenever i jump, my board seems to swing up in front of me as i maintain my balance in the air...

the only thing i can imagine is that i'm sending the kite too far back... ? Would this be it?

i really want to try and get a tail grab going, but as soon as i'm airborne, i find my legs are to the front of me, not behind me, and by the time i swing them back, it's time for landing..

any ideas?

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
26 Nov 2009 2:21PM
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Yer you guys keep asking more questions so i dont look like the silly one asking them . like i get going shooting kite too 11 then i edge as hard as can then sheet in kite goung to 12 and nothing all i seem to do is take off that is not in air but down wind . I know i should have tryed harder to get too that display or course that run last weekend at marochydore too get some help . Hope they have another one soon it would help all us out if we attended them .

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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26 Nov 2009 3:15PM
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odetojak said...

I seem to have a problem of late, whenever i jump, my board seems to swing up in front of me as i maintain my balance in the air...

the only thing i can imagine is that i'm sending the kite too far back... ? Would this be it?

i really want to try and get a tail grab going, but as soon as i'm airborne, i find my legs are to the front of me, not behind me, and by the time i swing them back, it's time for landing..

any ideas?


Hi odetojak,

It sounds like you are leaning back too much as you take off, sort of trying to "huck" the jump with the board. You don't need to try and jump with the board, all you need to do is maintain your edge in a comfortable manner.

Good jumping is all about control, if you don't have it, it aint gonna be pretty.

A nice controlled speed, not too fast.

Start with kite at 10.30 or 11 if jumping on port tack.

When ready, sheet in, turn the kite hard and keep bar in for full power

As kite gets to 12, turn the board upwind to initiate a take off and to load the lines.

As you rise, hold the kite into the wind and keep bar sheeted in

As you descend, redirect your kite forward and bend knees, align board and land.

Cheers,

KH




Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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26 Nov 2009 3:16PM
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suface2air said...

Yer you guys keep asking more questions so i dont look like the silly one asking them . like i get going shooting kite too 11 then i edge as hard as can then sheet in kite goung to 12 and nothing all i seem to do is take off that is not in air but down wind . I know i should have tryed harder to get too that display or course that run last weekend at marochydore too get some help . Hope they have another one soon it would help all us out if we attended them .


Hey S2A,

If you are swinging under your kite, you are either turning the kite too aggressively from too low in the window, or you are releasing your edge too early before the kite swings past 12.

Keep your esge and start the turn of the kite from 11 or 1 depending upon jumping direction.

Cheers,

KH

odetojak
NSW, 54 posts
26 Nov 2009 6:33PM
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thanks.. yeah i know what you mean.. can picture it..

cheers for that

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
26 Nov 2009 8:07PM
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thank you kitehard ther should be more people like you out there in our sport . iam by the sound of it trying too hard starting my kite from around 9 or 3 so will go out and give what you said a go .

Rhinoman you had too do it too at some stage give us kooks a far go you where a kook too and everyone knows it too .

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
26 Nov 2009 10:48PM
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Kitehard said...

odetojak said...

I seem to have a problem of late, whenever i jump, my board seems to swing up in front of me as i maintain my balance in the air...

the only thing i can imagine is that i'm sending the kite too far back... ? Would this be it?

i really want to try and get a tail grab going, but as soon as i'm airborne, i find my legs are to the front of me, not behind me, and by the time i swing them back, it's time for landing..

any ideas?


Hi odetojak,

It sounds like you are leaning back too much as you take off, sort of trying to "huck" the jump with the board. You don't need to try and jump with the board, all you need to do is maintain your edge in a comfortable manner.

Good jumping is all about control, if you don't have it, it aint gonna be pretty.

A nice controlled speed, not too fast.

Start with kite at 10.30 or 11 if jumping on port tack.

When ready, sheet in, turn the kite hard and keep bar in for full power

As kite gets to 12, turn the board upwind to initiate a take off and to load the lines.

As you rise, hold the kite into the wind and keep bar sheeted in

As you descend, redirect your kite forward and bend knees, align board and land.

Cheers,

KH







hi kitehard, why lower on the port tack (is that your off tack)?

CJ12
SA, 21 posts
27 Nov 2009 12:49AM
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No, if you were on starboard tack you would need to start with the kite at 1 - same height still, different side of the clock.

While we're on the topic of jumping, I'm having trouble with getting off the water without using my kite. I can do backrolls if I take off over a bit of chop, but as soon as I try it on flat water I just rotate, no pop. Would love some advice on how to pop nicely - I've been trying just bunny hops without the rotation to improve, but I find I either just come to a complete stop or my board skids along the top of the water. I can't seem to get a feel for a good time to release the edge, any words of wisdom?

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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26 Nov 2009 10:52PM
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Hi CJ12,

Keep your bar sheeted in from take off all the way through the back roll. You're most likely letting go of the bar pressure as you initiate the roll.

Maybe try riding a little faster as the roll is initiated from the upwind carve and turning of the head to look over your front shoulder, speed will help you project yourself further to windward giving more load on the lines and subsequently more height/pop.

Give it a whirl.

KH



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