Easy to pack down in like 15knots.. I think people really overestimate wind speed to justify their incompetence.
Event a telly tubby like CBulota could do it and make it look good. Wrap or no wrap on bar!
Thats an awesome example of a 'how not to do it' video - John Cleese wold be laughing out aloud !!
Select to expand quotecbulota said..
he forgot to wrap and secure his safety line before wrapping, so his back lines eventually regained tension and the kite powered up and started death looping.
This is probably a good time to ask: How much of the safety line do you wrap before starting on the other lines? Whenever I've had to self rescue my kite has been ****ed enough that this has never been an issue, but good to know!
Select to expand quotedyyylan said..
How much of the safety line do you wrap before starting on the other lines?
You should secure a length that is at least equivalent or more than the length of your kite's wing span (distance from one wing tip to the other)
Select to expand quotedyyylan said..cbulota said..
he forgot to wrap and secure his safety line before wrapping, so his back lines eventually regained tension and the kite powered up and started death looping.
This is probably a good time to ask: How much of the safety line do you wrap before starting on the other lines? Whenever I've had to self rescue my kite has been ****ed enough that this has never been an issue, but good to know!
The answer is all of it. If you don't, there will likely be some power left in the kite and it makes it that much harder to wind up the lines.
Jeez I kept saying "What are you doing?!" Seriously grab the kite asap once you're near it!
Good on the guy for sharing the video though so others can learn.
Select to expand quotedyyylan said..
This is probably a good time to ask: How much of the safety line do you wrap before starting on the other lines? Whenever I've had to self rescue my kite has been ****ed enough that this has never been an issue, but good to know!
Ideal would be the exact minimum line length that promises kite will stay flagged + few more wraps just to be sure. The more the better.
I used to pull (and wrap) like 10 meters of centerlines (IDS) with my 1st encounters with the kite in water :D I didnt trust kite designers ;D
Big mess on the bar but safe!
So if a line breaks you flag out the kite, and self rescue by either: a) dont wrap lines, and pull yourself to kite asap via the safety line, or b) wrap the lines, making sure you wrap the safety line around the bar one at least one wingspan worth, before wrapping the other lines. However, what if the line that breaks is the safety line? I guess you might not realise until you flag the kite out and it blows away?
All you need is one line to be shorter then all the otherd by one wingspan length (10 meters) thats it.
That is all a safety system is doing.
Very very simple.
I was watching this in an airport with the volume up loud so everyone could hear it
Select to expand quoteBronnieren said..
So if a line breaks you flag out the kite, and self rescue by either: a) dont wrap lines, and pull yourself to kite asap via the safety line, or b) wrap the lines, making sure you wrap the safety line around the bar one at least one wingspan worth, before wrapping the other lines. However, what if the line that breaks is the safety line? I guess you might not realise until you flag the kite out and it blows away?
The main key here is to know your gear well, you should be able to see which line is broken prior to pulling your safety and you should know which line your kite will flag to. If it IS your safety that is broken (one of the front lines) then you should wrap the other front line around the bar (to the length of the kite's wingspan) so that it flags to this line and there will be no tension left in the back lines for the kite to power up.
Select to expand quoteDanger Mouse said...Bronnieren said..
So if a line breaks you flag out the kite, and self rescue by either: a) dont wrap lines, and pull yourself to kite asap via the safety line, or b) wrap the lines, making sure you wrap the safety line around the bar one at least one wingspan worth, before wrapping the other lines. However, what if the line that breaks is the safety line? I guess you might not realise until you flag the kite out and it blows away?
The main key here is to know your gear well, you should be able to see which line is broken prior to pulling your safety and you should know which line your kite will flag to. If it IS your safety that is broken (one of the front lines) then you should wrap the other front line around the bar (to the length of the kite's wingspan) so that it flags to this line and there will be no tension left in the back lines for the kite to power up.
If it's blowing 30 knots & your safety line breaks, do you start to wrap or punch the feck out ? 
Thanks guys, I am pretty trigger happy on the safety release, as I am pretty keen to avoid starring in my own deathloops movie 
. So if a line breaks in big wind I will just pull safety immediately, hoping it wasn't the safety line that broke. However, if a line breaks in very light wind, and the kite is not going anywhere, I might check which line it is before pulling the safety. Then if it was the safety line that broke , I could wrap one of the other lines a full wingspans worth, then wrap the others lines, and then self rescue from there. Good plan? 
Select to expand quoteBronnieren said..
Thanks guys, I am pretty trigger happy on the safety release, as I am pretty keen to avoid starring in my own deathloops movie . So if a line breaks in big wind I will just pull safety immediately, hoping it wasn't the safety line that broke. However, if a line breaks in very light wind, and the kite is not going anywhere, I might check which line it is before pulling the safety. Then if it was the safety line that broke , I could wrap one of the other lines a full wingspans worth, then wrap the others lines, and then self rescue from there. Good plan?
Hi Bronwyn,
Quality kite lines don't break for any reasons. every time I had line breaks I knew it was only a matter of time just by looking at the condition of the lines and I chose to accept that risk instead of replacing them, which of course would've been the wiser thing to do... These last few years when I go kiting in more than 25 knots I will always choose my bar/lines that are in the best condition and put in that extra 2 minutes of time during the setup to thoroughly inspect everything.
As usual, prevention is better than cure, so if you simply inspect your lines while you setup the kite and make sure there is no fraying or knots in your lines and you double check your connections at the kite, there are no reason for them to break or come undone. I regularly find knots in lines of other people's kites...which over time will create a weakness in the line and break the line.
A common sight when kiters go in deathloops is that they have a great deal of hesitation to release the kite completely, probably out of fear of damaging/losing the gear. The truth is you are much more likely to damage the gear if tight lines are wrapped around a looping kite and if the kite is smashing repetitively to the ground/water as opposed to an ejected kite drifting away without any tension in the lines.
Of all kites I've seen being released from their pilot, none of them have had any damage whatsoever. Ejecting the kite completely is a difficult reflex to develop but probably the one that can make the most difference in a life or death scenario.
Also don't worry about calculating the wingspan length when wrapping the safety line, on modern safety systems like the one you have, you just have to make sure the bar had slid out to the stopper ball after activating the chicken loop release, which is plenty of length.
Christian
What a great video!!! Am i evil for laughing?! When he nearly had it and then grabbed some more lines to power it up again sent me over the edge.
He runs like he jizzes his pants every 5 steps. Hilarious
Thanks Christian , you are a sage of kitesurfing, I often find myself quoting you :) One of my lines (the safety one) has a knot in it, which I need to get fixed. Its good to hear that you have never seen any kites damaged when the kite has been fully released. I am trigger happy with flagging my kite it out, but admit that I would have been very hesitant to release the kite fully until now 
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Select to expand quotetoppleover said..Danger Mouse said...Bronnieren said..
So if a line breaks you flag out the kite, and self rescue by either: a) dont wrap lines, and pull yourself to kite asap via the safety line, or b) wrap the lines, making sure you wrap the safety line around the bar one at least one wingspan worth, before wrapping the other lines. However, what if the line that breaks is the safety line? I guess you might not realise until you flag the kite out and it blows away?
The main key here is to know your gear well, you should be able to see which line is broken prior to pulling your safety and you should know which line your kite will flag to. If it IS your safety that is broken (one of the front lines) then you should wrap the other front line around the bar (to the length of the kite's wingspan) so that it flags to this line and there will be no tension left in the back lines for the kite to power up.
If it's blowing 30 knots & your safety line breaks, do you start to wrap or punch the feck out ?
Knife the back lines and wrap the front.... Unless your kite is doing a good job of trying to drown you, then get rid of the lot. 
