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Gath - Visor/ like a jet pilot helmet

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Created by salt > 9 months ago, 13 Sep 2011
salt
VIC, 617 posts
13 Sep 2011 1:47PM
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Anyone one use one of the Gath attachable visor/sunnies. Are they worth getting?
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any issues with them? i don't see anyone using them. I think they look amazing :) top gun styles.

sebol
WA, 753 posts
13 Sep 2011 12:30PM
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The main concern is that you need to be wearing a Gath helmet in the first place

salt
VIC, 617 posts
13 Sep 2011 2:37PM
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riding strapless in the surf can lead to head injuries.

I got stitches in the head last summer, i don't want a repeat.

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
13 Sep 2011 12:38PM
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Yep got a few when I first started teaching but never had anyone use the visor as they are very dark and hard to see through with a bit of salt spray

salt
VIC, 617 posts
13 Sep 2011 2:55PM
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thought as much. Look cool though, but its hard enough seeing through my sunnies as it is.

rhinoman
QLD, 362 posts
13 Sep 2011 3:08PM
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salt said...

riding strapless in the surf can lead to head injuries.

I got stitches in the head last summer, i don't want a repeat.


so start riding strap-on instead of strapless ///

salt
VIC, 617 posts
13 Sep 2011 3:37PM
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To be honest, i was strapped at the time, now i ride strapless. Anyway, back on topic...

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
13 Sep 2011 2:28PM
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I have one, pulled the sunnies part off straightaway and haven't used them since.

The problem is the sunnie part is attached to the helmet so if you hit something or the helmet bounces around it hits your nose. Really annoying.
So now I just use a pair of Seabreeze sunnies and the helmet, works well

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
14 Sep 2011 1:47PM
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Unless they have changed their manufacturing process you are wasting your time using a gath helmet to protect you from an impact, they used to state this on their user manual - that the helmet was for protection against the elements and not to be used as a safety device.... I agree that they do offer you some slight degree of protection but put one on and tap your head against a wall ( apart from looking like a nuffy ) you will find there is not much impact absorbtion at all.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
14 Sep 2011 2:20PM
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Check out the Pro-Tec helmets - they come from a wakeboarding and snowboarding background.

Although I have just been to the Gath website and the Gedi helmet complies with the EN 1385 standards for Canoeing and whitewater sports helmets. I think that says enough!

The warning sticker on the helmet indicates that the helmet is unsuitable for use on land based sports. Although anecdotal evidence from the Gath website suggests they do a good job of protecting your bonce if you come to grief on hard ground too.

vespa
WA, 54 posts
14 Sep 2011 2:48PM
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I have had one with visor for 19 years and still going strong. Visor is OK down but you do lose 30% vision. I sometimes use visor to preserve my eyes from wind and sun when tacking upwind. be careful when packing as they do break under weight. Now I'm a dad I won't go without it in double head waves. Best value item ever!!!

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
14 Sep 2011 5:06PM
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lostinlondon said...

Check out the Pro-Tec helmets - they come from a wakeboarding and snowboarding background.

Although I have just been to the Gath website and the Gedi helmet complies with the EN 1385 standards for Canoeing and whitewater sports helmets. I think that says enough!

The warning sticker on the helmet indicates that the helmet is unsuitable for use on land based sports. Although anecdotal evidence from the Gath website suggests they do a good job of protecting your bonce if you come to grief on hard ground too.




They must be different helmets to the Gaths of about 7 years ago, as the originals stated that they were not designed for impact protection. If the new ones meet the standard then all well and good.


coastflyer
SA, 599 posts
14 Sep 2011 5:33PM
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Here is one of our local wave riding legends, Dazza. I have never seen him in the water without his Gath, and although I have one too, I rarely use it. For me it cuts out too much of the ambient sound.



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salt
VIC, 617 posts
14 Sep 2011 6:43PM
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coastflyer said...
For me it cuts out too much of the ambient sound.



I bought "surf convertible" can take ears off.

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
14 Sep 2011 6:55PM
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I have a Gath and use it with the visor up, mostly because it is fairly scratched. I find you can jam a pair of sunnies on your dial and the helmet secures them in place(any sunnies - no strap ). Have not lost a pair yet and thats with some pretty solid stacks. Have lost strapped sunnies easily b4 without the lid.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
14 Sep 2011 5:14PM
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salt said...

coastflyer said...
For me it cuts out too much of the ambient sound.



I bought "surf convertible" can take ears off.


Had one of those Gath (Gaff?) surf convertables with a visor for couple of seasons.. utter, utter sh!te in hindsight.

Uncomfy, couldn't hear properly with earcaps on or off, couldn't wear sunnies (can never have too many accesories IMO ) and fek all protection other than sunburn relief. Earcaps made the breeze whistle VERY loudly from wind passing the opening. Rubbish design in every way.

Lucky for me my Gaff. got ripped right off after an accidental kiteloop. Dunno what happened - buckle snapped? (If anyone is deep diving about 400m off Sth Brighton dog beach - Perf - let me know ).

Tried on a Gaff Wooky Gedi and it was no great shakes in comfort so went for a Protec. V

Protec Wake Ace has vastly superior in every facet to the original Gath - cheaper too. Good protection, cooler (temp), comfy as, room for sunnies, MUCH better protection. I have the 'Wake' version with ear flaps, that actually protect ears better than Gath sh!te AND allow you to reasonably hear what is goin on!!

Get one. $150 of smart protection.

Leave the smart @rse 'why wear a helmet' to those that don't mind being deaf or eating through a straw for the rest of theur life.

kitingtopher
SA, 313 posts
14 Sep 2011 6:54PM
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have surfed with gath 4 about 2o years. the old original bucket (solid ear ) was the best. at 330 grams . bought a new gath with visor. about 500 grams . the ears are separate and fall out when you get smashed leaving you with one ear exposed to the wind. which sucks( I stitched new ones in) The visor is a pain mostly comes down and gets in the way, I took it off if you want one. , although if your staring at a sunset it definitely helps.
Definitely keeps the sun off ( for us bald hunts )and helps to stop surfers ear. I have seen the old style gath with a 80mm cut from a centre thruster fin in line with the temple.
Definitely saved alife.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
14 Sep 2011 5:39PM
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salt said...

coastflyer said...
For me it cuts out too much of the ambient sound.



I bought "surf convertible" can take ears off.


Had one of those Gath (Gaff?) surf convertables with a visor for couple of seasons.. utter, utter sh!te in hindsight.

Uncomfy, couldn't hear properly with earcaps on or off, couldn't wear sunnies (can never have too many accesories IMO ) and fek all protection other than sunburn relief. Earcaps made the breeze whistle VERY loudly from wind passing the opening. Rubbish design in every way.

Lucky for me my Gaff. got ripped right off after an accidental kiteloop. Dunno what happened - buckle snapped? (If anyone is deep diving about 400m off Sth Brighton dog beach - Perf - let me know ).

Tried on a Gaff Wooky Gedi and it was no great shakes in comfort so went for a Protec. V

Protec Wake Ace has vastly superior in every facet to the original Gath - cheaper too. Good protection, cooler (temp), comfy as, room for sunnies, MUCH better protection. I have the 'Wake' version with ear flaps, that actually protect ears better than Gath sh!te AND allow you to reasonably hear what is goin on!!

Get one. $150 of smart protection.

Leave the smart @rse 'why wear a helmet' to those that don't mind being deaf or eating through a straw for the rest of their life.

richswing
WA, 724 posts
14 Sep 2011 5:53PM
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I've got a Protec Ace Wake (I think)

Find it very comfy, had no issues with it at all.

A couple of years ago on Kiteforum someone posted pics of a guy I think in Brazil who got lofted into a building, the pics showed him bleeding out from the head with a puddle about a 1m in diameter around his head. The pics were shortly pulled from the Topic for very good reasons - who wants to see someone die.

I was so affected by the pics that I ordered a helmet that night, the same Protec one.

If only the "Helmet Bashers" could see the pics they would change their tune very quickly, sometimes we need some shockers to realize that some safety is necessary especially if you have dependents. I am the last person to join the ever growing safety first brigade - to be honest I can't stick the mother @#$%ers but somethings make sense.

I ride surfboards 100% of the time and I found that with a kite you tend to be pulled in front of the wave compared to paddle surfing were you tend to go in the opposite direction of the board. A number of time I have been smacked hard in the helmet, and with kitesurf surfboards being substantially harder they would have hurt alot more if I had not worn a helmet.

Look like a Dork and wear a helmet, so I don't feel like one wearing mine.

Cheers
Rich

sebol
WA, 753 posts
16 Sep 2011 11:45AM
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^^^^
I take it that you don't drive a car or fly on a plane?

Head injury for a kite surfer would be an extremely rare event.

I am not a helmet basher, I am personaly tempted for the surfer's ear prevention (had my ear cut off, drilling and staple back once before and it is closing again), but overall it is pretty pointless wearing a helmet for safety when you spend 95% of the time on the water.

Maybe, i am wrong, I don't wear one on a pushie either

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
16 Sep 2011 12:28PM
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Hey sebol, using your philosophy it seems more likely you will suffer the affects of a head injury on seabreeze than on the water/road.

If it's not for you - fair nuff, but FFS don't bag anyone that doesn't fancy someone wiping away their dribble on a daily basis.



My helmet has saved me many bumps, bruises, and some claret.

Combined with my sunnies it also offers very good sunprotection on my forehead (not good for suncream running in your eyes), also from perforated eardrums, and even warmth in winter months.

That's a pretty kn sweet deal for $150 in my books.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
16 Sep 2011 3:13PM
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sebol said...

^^^^
I take it that you don't drive a car or fly on a plane?

Head injury for a kite surfer would be an extremely rare event.

I am not a helmet basher, I am personaly tempted for the surfer's ear prevention (had my ear cut off, drilling and staple back once before and it is closing again), but overall it is pretty pointless wearing a helmet for safety when you spend 95% of the time on the water.

Maybe, i am wrong, I don't wear one on a pushie either


What has driving a car or flying in a plane got to do with this? I bet you wear your seatbelt in the car and are happy they have safety procedures on a plane in place.

I wear a helmet not because I expect I'm going to become a drooling mess on my next stack without it - I'm more concerned about an otherwise minor knock causing me to lose claret, require stitches and keep me off the water just when the seabreezes are at their best!

The first day I rode a directional I took a couple of minor taps to the head (in flat learning conditions) and thought "yep, going to need to wear my helmet doing this next time, in case I get hit harder"

I like my brain, I spent a lot of time and money edumacating it to a Masters level. It earns me money so I can keep the baby mommas in Juicy Couture. I reckon I should protect it.

sebol
WA, 753 posts
16 Sep 2011 1:29PM
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Mate!!!!!
That left at 38s on the vid above is awesome!!!! Over 30 seconds of a nice ride.
One wave like this and I would be stoked for a couple of years.

richswing
WA, 724 posts
16 Sep 2011 1:34PM
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Hey,

I have surfers ear aswell, luckily I don't need surgery, yet!

I disagree that kitesurfers don't need helmets, as I mentioned earlier you usually get pulled in front of the wave as compared to kicking out a surfboard while paddle surfing, kitesurfing the board normally gets washed onto you, unless I am doing totally wrong??

In addition, Perth has a few groins with shore break waves, so I have come a bit close to getting dragged a few times into groins.

Each to their own, but I think you need a helmet more often for a strapless Kitesurfer rather than a kiteboarder as straps help a **** load.

Heres a question, if you get a head injury and you have income protection - would you get paid out if you did not wear a helmet? This is a serious question.

My 2 cents.
Rich

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
16 Sep 2011 1:44PM
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I remember when I learnt to kite in 2000, and used a board leash. Getting dragged along on a two line fixed foil (remember those), the board submerged, then like a bullet sprang up and out of water squarley in the back of my head...stitches, slight concussion - of course don't use leashes now...

and also don't use a helmet or sunnies.

But in all honesty probably should and good on ya for those wearing them, especially if you have a children of your own, you could leave behind. Those that don't have kids wouldn't understand that...and I'm sure thier is some knob that says they do.... no you don't!

Good on ya fellas for setting the standard.

diginoz
WA, 317 posts
16 Sep 2011 8:04PM
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If the pro's wore hats they would be cool, unfortunatley they dont so you will allways have the na sayers.
PS do seat harness's save your back.

kitingtopher
SA, 313 posts
16 Sep 2011 9:45PM
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hey richswing, yes you are covered , i just renewed my sickness accident and th only exclusions were base jumping, parachuting, bungy jumping and snow skiing. dumb fufds havent excluded other much safer sports yet(and i hope they don,t)

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
16 Sep 2011 9:35PM
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diginoz said...

If the pro's wore hats they would be cool, unfortunatley they dont so you will allways have the na sayers.
PS do seat harness's save your back.




Started with seats, 12 years ago, moved to waists for 5 years or so, then went back to seats. No more back pain, kite pulls from a place with a more lower centre of gravity, feel more connected. But I don't unhook etc, old school boosts and surf. My bro still on waist has to come in every 40 min or so to rest his back. But the more expensive well designed seats probably may reduce this. cons - need a sliding spreader like a dyna bar, or going toe-side is just a pain in the ass.

Peterc150
VIC, 710 posts
17 Sep 2011 12:30AM
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I use an old Gath helmet I bought for surfing years ago. It has a visor but I never use it, I wear sunglasses with a strap. The helmet keeps them in place nicely, keeps my head warm in the winter.

I did burst an ear drum wearing it in a big stack though, but maybe the water would have gone in one ear and out the other one if I wasn't wearing it. The impact padding in the older models is not too flash, as others have noted.

I have looked at the Protec helmets - they look like they have better padding, and maybe a bit lighter too. I am thinking of upgrading to one.

You would most likely be better off wearing a helmet if you get any sort of impact on your head, and there is a lot of power in a kite.

I like to wear a helmet, but most others don't use them. Its a personal choice.


hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
17 Sep 2011 1:34AM
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lostinlondon said...

sebol said...

^^^^
I take it that you don't drive a car or fly on a plane?

Head injury for a kite surfer would be an extremely rare event.

I am not a helmet basher, I am personaly tempted for the surfer's ear prevention (had my ear cut off, drilling and staple back once before and it is closing again), but overall it is pretty pointless wearing a helmet for safety when you spend 95% of the time on the water.

Maybe, i am wrong, I don't wear one on a pushie either


What has driving a car or flying in a plane got to do with this? I bet you wear your seatbelt in the car and are happy they have safety procedures on a plane in place.

I wear a helmet not because I expect I'm going to become a drooling mess on my next stack without it - I'm more concerned about an otherwise minor knock causing me to lose claret, require stitches and keep me off the water just when the seabreezes are at their best!

The first day I rode a directional I took a couple of minor taps to the head (in flat learning conditions) and thought "yep, going to need to wear my helmet doing this next time, in case I get hit harder"

I like my brain, I spent a lot of time and money edumacating it to a Masters level. It earns me money so I can keep the baby mommas in Juicy Couture. I reckon I should protect it.

no disrespect but...
holy cow i'm glad i don't kite near anybody that wears that sort of head gear ,would be enough to scare off a bull elephant ??????
one thing to protect the grey matter but seriously, would it not be more beneficial to yourself and others to learn better kite control and be confident enough to have fun without scaring the bejesus out of jo public.

disregard for learners on the beach ,is a safer sport on the water

i were a seat belt but not a helmet

pearl
NSW, 984 posts
17 Sep 2011 7:03AM
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can you attatch a peak/visor to the pro-tec (ie cap style) that doesn't bucket?



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