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Frontroll: How do I get the board off the water?!

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Created by BoDiddly > 9 months ago, 7 Mar 2008
BoDiddly
VIC, 622 posts
7 Mar 2008 1:29PM
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Hey there, just after some advice!

So I've been trying some frontrolls of late, and I seem to be able to get the rotation OK, it's just that I can't seem to get the board off the water!

I know it's something to do with the pop off the water but how?!

Do you have to get the board out of the water before you begin your rotation?
The board just seems to want to stay suctioned to the water and my feet just slip out of the straps... Back Rolls are good, it's just going the other way!

Any tip's ideas on what to do?!

Cheers!

schmik
NSW, 235 posts
7 Mar 2008 1:33PM
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Generally you want a bit more lift from the kite for a frontroll. You need to pop off the water first and then start the roll. Cause you are in the air a bit long... you need more lift. Doh... already said that bit.

Really throw your head/shoulder down towards your front foot to start the roll.

mike

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
7 Mar 2008 12:40PM
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Sounds like you are just rolling over the front of the board and catching the rail. You're quite right...you have to pop before you roll. Which is actually what you are doing for the back roll except its easier for the back roll as the pop action is in the same direction as the roll

Build up speed, momentarily bear downwind then crank your board hard upwind - this is all while sending the kite as you would in the back roll. The pop will get your board off the water.

As you leave the water, tuck forwards over the front of your board and tuck in your legs.

Spot your landing and release the tuck.

BoDiddly
VIC, 622 posts
7 Mar 2008 1:50PM
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That was quick!

Thanks heaps guys, that's helped alread, using the kite to launch a little more will help, I was just setting it...

Come on next session! I think spotting the landing will be more important for this trick more so that a back roll yeah?

schmik
NSW, 235 posts
7 Mar 2008 1:54PM
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"I think spotting the landing will be more important for this trick more so that a back roll yeah?"

You'd think so but it's not that hard. As it's more of a jump rather than a quick backroll, you tend to land with more downwind direction than with a back roll. So it the landings are pretty easy to spot.

mike

Foot
NSW, 57 posts
7 Mar 2008 2:28PM
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Hey Bo

Have you check out iksurfmag.com? They have a really good technique section with videos, photos, the works. They had a thing on front rolls a while ago. Issue 5/6, not sure.
Hope that helps.

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
7 Mar 2008 3:30PM
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Here, I uploaded this for you...

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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7 Mar 2008 2:34PM
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Hey,

Click this link, it will explain to you front rolls in depth.

kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=63&Itemid=53

Good winds,

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
7 Mar 2008 3:12PM
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Kitehard said...

Hey,

Click this link, it will explain to you front rolls in depth.

kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=63&Itemid=53

Good winds,




Thats good info Darren and I have now got my front rolls sorted but I want to know if you knew that we are slow learners so you repeated the instructions 3 times (to be sure, to be sure) or if it was just a typo.

BoDiddly
VIC, 622 posts
7 Mar 2008 6:00PM
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This is sweet!

Thanks a stack (well here's hoping for a front roll) guys!

That link is great Kitehard, totally haven't been sending the kite back at all! This may just be the thing I need!

Awesome....Need to get out on the water again... However... The forecast for Port Philip Bay is kinda BS tho....

Thanks for the info!

Bryden
VIC, 32 posts
7 Mar 2008 8:28PM
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A thought from someone who just started doing front rolls... visualize your front knee coming up and compacting itself against your body as you send the kite and initiate your rotation. Should help with getting your board off of the water, but like most said... all about the sending the kite too...
Such a diff sensation than a back roll for me...
Let us know how it goes...

graceful
WA, 773 posts
7 Mar 2008 6:47PM
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wat do u guys mean by sending the kite???

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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7 Mar 2008 7:15PM
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tightlines said...

Kitehard said...

Hey,

Click this link, it will explain to you front rolls in depth.

kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=63&Itemid=53

Good winds,




Thats good info Darren and I have now got my front rolls sorted but I want to know if you knew that we are slow learners so you repeated the instructions 3 times (to be sure, to be sure) or if it was just a typo.


Thanks for the heads up Tightlines. Problem solved. A lot of little glitches from transfering the info from the old site to the new one. If you see anything else, please let me know.

Good winds,

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
7 Mar 2008 7:38PM
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Kitehard said...

Thanks for the heads up Tightlines. Problem solved. A lot of little glitches from transfering the info from the old site to the new one. If you see anything else, please let me know.

Good winds,




Pssst..The last line is still not quite right but don't worry I won't tell anyone.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
7 Mar 2008 9:41PM
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If you actually want to do a front roll, not a front spin then you want to leave the kite at 45 degrees. Here's some tips, you need speed otherwise you won't get pop so don't bother going for it unless you got some speed. Once you got speed you will want to bear off slightly, then you crank it back hard upwind (with plenty of speed) once you feel the power peak you need to sort of ollie/pop/lift the nose of your board off the water. At the same time you want to initiate the front rotation, it might seem daunting but going more vertical I think is easier, as you leave the water square your shoulders up so your back is facing the direction your going.

At this point if you release your back hand (keeping the front in the very middle, one finger other side of the chicken loop) and lean back/ throw your legs over your head, tantrum style.

When your learning this style you could send the kite from 45 to about 65ish to give you a bit of lift, you got a hand free chuck a grab in there. Once you got it dialled you can move the kite lower and even try it unhooked.

From reading your response the main problem of not getting off the water is lack of speed and commitment. You need to edge hard and pop commited to release the suction effect. Hope this helps.

BoDiddly
VIC, 622 posts
8 Mar 2008 12:56PM
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Hey Sunseeker,

That video is awesome.. thanks for posting it...

If I can't get my front rolls sorted now I'm totally fired.

But then the fact that my nearest wind reading beacon is showing ZERO knots, I guess I'll have to wait!

Cheers.



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