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Four kite surfers were lucky to survive

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Created by Mini Mal > 9 months ago, 1 Nov 2011
salt
VIC, 617 posts
2 Nov 2011 3:58PM
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Andrash said...

After reading all as it unfolds, and not familiar with the spot itself, it sounds to me as follows:
4 kiddies let go of daddy's hand, and went for an adventure without much consideration... and cried for daddy, when it all gone a bit shaky...
Long gone the time when men took the consequences of their actions, and later sat around a (symbolical) fire and laughed and laughed remembering how they got out of the sh!t they created for themselves on the way of growing up....


Ur a wanker

selwyn
VIC, 23 posts
2 Nov 2011 4:00PM
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wdric said...

Although the jetski still needed to be rescued, Unless I am missing something, if they were all experienced and it was in the middle of the bay and there was heaps of wind and it was SW, I guess they could have just kited to the other side of the bay in less than 1hr? looks to be 20 or 30 km?

Land the kites and phone a friend

Probly would have been on terra firma before dark and home earlier than waiting for rescue




this is what you are missing;

-The waves/ chop can be 2m high in the south of the bay
- The tide runs so fast and strong you can't swim against it, you cant even stand in a single spot once the water is above your waist
- If you are swept out into the Heads/ Bass Straight the waves/ chop/ swell on that day was up to 5m
- it was going to be dark in 2 hrs
- you are in the middle of a commercial shipping lane - they are big big ships- they dont stop quickly for a 'floating thing'.
- Its known to be a breeding place for Bronze whaler sharks....just adds to the nervousness of kiting in deep water as it's getting dark
- if you have any equipment failure or you make a single mistake in the 2m chop and end up in the water, or you lose your board, or put a line over....you will be swept out within 3 hrs to the Heads...

...do you use your experience to kite the 30 mins to shore in the above conditions or do you sit tight on the land waiting for the comforts of a rescue boat, knowing that one craft had already broken down- so you can kite again tomorrow...

salt
VIC, 617 posts
2 Nov 2011 4:05PM
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Well said. I love it how everyone thinks they know whats best. Waiting for a boat was the only reasonable coarse of action. Avoided tragedy and got home safe.

eppo
WA, 9717 posts
2 Nov 2011 1:09PM
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You did the right thing mate. Maybe a backup plan for the vehicle next time...a time you should call someone with a boat - if don't call, out they come - something gay and boring like that, but from what I've read, sounds like a place that more precautions should be taken..

but where's the adventure right!! Yeh put myself in many dangerous spots, always came through, but I know my luck like yours will run out one day

oh well better to bust than rust - yeeeeeeehhhaaaaa. yippy keye a, mother farqer


ps serious about first sentence or two.

Plummet
4862 posts
2 Nov 2011 1:21PM
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we all do silly things.

hopefully we learn then next time we have planned better when we embark on the silly...

lets face it with out doing sillyness the world would be pretty boring.

Tho i do plan to get a spot meter for when the silly turns into deep shiit.

selwyn
VIC, 23 posts
2 Nov 2011 4:34PM
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Andrash said...

After reading all as it unfolds, and not familiar with the spot itself, it sounds to me as follows:
4 kiddies let go of daddy's hand, and went for an adventure without much consideration... and cried for daddy, when it all gone a bit shaky...
Long gone the time when men took the consequences of their actions, and later sat around a (symbolical) fire and laughed and laughed remembering how they got out of the sh!t they created for themselves on the way of growing up....



haaa Andrash "Oh to be as wise and as experienced as you"

Best you stay home- maybe kite at the local swimming pool, where you can hide from the consequences of adventure. Then you can sit around your camp fire and reflect "how come my life has gone by and everyone has had so much fun...except for me, I've grown up and now I'm old and I feel like life and it's adventure's have slipped me by".
"Where are you big Daddy, I've missed all the fun?"

selwyn
VIC, 23 posts
2 Nov 2011 4:35PM
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eppo said...


You did the right thing mate. Maybe a backup plan for the vehicle next time...a time you should call someone with a boat - if don't call, out they come - something gay and boring like that, but from what I've read, sounds like a place that more precautions should be taken..

but where's the adventure right!! Yeh put myself in many dangerous spots, always came through, but I know my luck like yours will run out one day

oh well better to bust than rust - yeeeeeeehhhaaaaa. yippy keye a, mother farqer


ps serious about first sentence or two.


thanks, everyone was safe so all good.

At 7pm we did have a guy on a boat who went out to pick up the last 3 of us- but when he got out there- he **** himself saying" its to shallow for my boat" (water was still 1m deep) and came back to shore. The current is too strong to walk 500m to boat from island. By time we got back to the launch site and had to relaunch the jet ski and it was now 8pm..nearly dark

In hind sight - that's when we should've called the rescue guys. I had the confidence my ski would be ok -it cost me $22,000 is only 3 years old and had just had a full service at Kawasaki, i picked it up that very morning - I didn't expect it to break down.

Moral of the story- expect the unexpected


windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
2 Nov 2011 4:47PM
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what was unexpected

selwyn
VIC, 23 posts
2 Nov 2011 5:44PM
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windsufering said...

what was unexpected




I'd had the jetski serviced the day before- I didn't expect the service guy not to tighten the nut on the steering column

jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
2 Nov 2011 5:14PM
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Well, you can't really make sure the jet ski isn't gonna die. At least you had a phone with charged battery in a waterproof bag.

Still a good story to tell and I'm sure after a pint or two the story will sound even better

On ya for going on an adventure and from what I've heard there is heaps of flat water out there

McSalty
VIC, 47 posts
2 Nov 2011 6:34PM
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I had a good laugh reading all the comments from mostly interstate guys who wouldn't have a clue about where mud island is or any of the local conditions and boasting about their ability to kite upwind 7kms. Classic.

Everyone's a kiteboarding hero... from behind their keyboard ;)

Mud island isn't a cake walk, especially when the weather is nasty/squally. Best to leave it to the birds.

Seriously though, I'm glad that everyone survived and will live to ride another day.

winter
VIC, 155 posts
2 Nov 2011 8:33PM
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And what we all want to know is how was it? Before it turned nasty

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
3 Nov 2011 10:21AM
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i'm excited about reading this whole thread... (no sarcasm)

adventure... great flat spot... no crowds...

cmon, tell us more... what's it like there... which bits of the island are kiteable?

if on southerlies you get 2m waves comming onto the island, which bits remain flat?


Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
3 Nov 2011 11:57AM
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superlizard said...

i'm excited about reading this whole thread... (no sarcasm)

adventure... great flat spot... no crowds...

cmon, tell us more... what's it like there... which bits of the island are kiteable?

if on southerlies you get 2m waves comming onto the island, which bits remain flat?





The short answer is no. Its a marine reserve. Its off limits for kiteboarding and if people continue kiting there is will open up a **** storm the likes we have never seen with the environmentalists.

One of the reasons the guys had issues with the boat is that its surrounded by a large shallow section which would make it difficult to land a boat anywhere near the place. Its one of the reasons that jet ski's would work but I've also heard of someone getting stuck there when the tide went out.

I'd highly recommend that people avoid this place like the plague unless you intend getting kiting banned in Port Phillip bay.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
3 Nov 2011 1:01PM
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FYI

Mud Islands have been recognised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as a Ramsar “wetland of international importance” and have also been included on the Register of the National Estate.

The islands, lagoon and the 2500 metres squared surrounding the islands are protected as part of the new Port Phillip Heads Marine National Park managed by Parks Victoria.

They provide important habitat and feeding areas for migratory birds from as far away as Japan and Siberia, as well as local seashore and wader species.

The islands form an essential breeding area for colonies of Pelicans, Ibis, Terns, Cormorants, Royal Spoonbills, Storm-Petrels and Silver Gulls.

kitebored
NSW, 587 posts
3 Nov 2011 1:20PM
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Saffer said...

FYI

Mud Islands have been recognised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as a Ramsar “wetland of international importance” and have also been included on the Register of the National Estate.

The islands, lagoon and the 2500 metres squared surrounding the islands are protected as part of the new Port Phillip Heads Marine National Park managed by Parks Victoria.

They provide important habitat and feeding areas for migratory birds from as far away as Japan and Siberia, as well as local seashore and wader species.

The islands form an essential breeding area for colonies of Pelicans, Ibis, Terns, Cormorants, Royal Spoonbills, Storm-Petrels and Silver Gulls.



Least you wouldn't go hungry if you had to spend the night there

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
3 Nov 2011 1:37PM
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.......and dont forget the Midges !!!!!!! Mud Is is full of them.

Holy ******* hell I have never itched so badly in my life it was 3 weeks of the most irritating bites on my legs.

Like a bad mosquito x 11 then times that by each bite.

Mud island is really not worth the hassle.... apart from being a bird sanctuary you have to factor in the following :

1 hour 30 min from Melb to Sorrento ( about the same to Queenscliff )
another 40min to pack boat and run it down the ramp get hassled by Water Police show all required equipment then get to Mud island
(Boat/ Ski ride takes about 20min)

The only time you would consider the journey you will want a guaranteed 20+ knots, this means there is about a 1- 2 metre chop ( not to be confused with an ocean swell, a 1-2m bay chop is about 10x worse than ocean swell in a boat ...making for a very unpleasant boat ride.

anchor at least 200m from the shore of the island and walk in with gear ( its waist deep and sludgy and smelly under foot hence the name MUD IS watch where you put your feet)

very narrow area to set up, between the tonnes of bird $hit, nests and broken shells.

quite a few sharks around as they like the shallower waters about 10x as many stingrays be very careful there are heaps of rays some quite big.

very strong tide...... when she is on the way out you dont want to be on/in the water near here.

if you kite the offshore side and have an incident .......... its a long long sharky drift.

when you are all done, pack up, another 20-30min boat ride in a 1-2m chop ( if you are wondering what that is like just ask someone to kick you hard in the ass every 5 seconds for 20min and you will have some idea.)

pack up the boat unload gear into the car etc...... drive back to Melb past ROSEBUD where everyone else has had an extra 3 hours on the water in better conditions.

I believe there are also fines for landing on Mud Island without a permit.

Its really not the place for kiting nor are the conditions any good when compared to the butter flat of Rosebud.




superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
3 Nov 2011 2:13PM
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i don't know what you guys are on about...

i've seen the photos and it looks fantastic...

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
3 Nov 2011 2:27PM
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Good on you guys for giving it a go and getting out there. It sounds like you did all the right things -

You had a boat to come pick you up and to be honest I'd be well annoyed at the guy who left you in the lurch out there for being too scared to drive his boat in 1m of water.

You had a mobile phone to call in help.

You had a recently serviced Jet Ski - although being adrift on it would have been a worry - no space to carry a small anchor?

It doesn't sound like you were in massive danger - you were safe on Mud Island and as long as you were sitting out of the wind you would have been fine - it wouldn't have been the most comfortable night but you would have been OK!

In years to come you guys will sit around the table having a beer and reminiscing about the time you got stuck out in the middle of the Bay on a island surrounded by sharks. and every time you tell the story the sharks will get bigger and more numerous...

I reckon for the time and effort you spent to get there I would have rather gone to Sandy Point... has to be my favourite spot in Victoria.

jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
3 Nov 2011 1:51PM
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Saffer said...

FYI

Mud Islands have been recognised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as a Ramsar “wetland of international importance” and have also been included on the Register of the National Estate.

The islands, lagoon and the 2500 metres squared surrounding the islands are protected as part of the new Port Phillip Heads Marine National Park managed by Parks Victoria.

They provide important habitat and feeding areas for migratory birds from as far away as Japan and Siberia, as well as local seashore and wader species.

The islands form an essential breeding area for colonies of Pelicans, Ibis, Terns, Cormorants, Royal Spoonbills, Storm-Petrels and Silver Gulls.



...well ok, that puts a whole new perspective on my ideas to kite there.

The bay is big enough with plenty of flat water spots in and around the bay, and I don't think there is the need for us to disturb a conservation area for the sole purpose of having a bit of fun.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
3 Nov 2011 3:18PM
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um people from other states have no idea
what he did not expect the tide the chop and being shallow
yes he will become a hero

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
3 Nov 2011 4:48PM
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windsufering said...

um people from other states have no idea
what he did not expect the tide the chop and being shallow
yes he will become a hero


even when your soberish you no make much sencey

Joe Cron
NSW, 450 posts
3 Nov 2011 5:42PM
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windsufering said...

Kiters a real smart will become a hero for being soooooooooooooooo stupid


um people from other states have no idea
what he did not expect the tide the chop and being shallow
yes he will become a hero



Could you please run those through the KOTP grammar translator and see what english pops out the other end?

neilw
WA, 134 posts
3 Nov 2011 5:58PM
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Joe Cron said...

windsufering said...

Kiters a real smart will become a hero for being soooooooooooooooo stupid


um people from other states have no idea
what he did not expect the tide the chop and being shallow
yes he will become a hero



Could you please run those through the KOTP grammar translator and see what english pops out the other end?


Shouldn't take the p**s out of him, his fingers might be having a stroke.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
3 Nov 2011 11:09PM
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Saffer said...

FYI

The islands form an essential breeding area for colonies of Pelicans, Ibis, Terns, Cormorants, Royal Spoonbills, Storm-Petrels and Silver Gulls.



Fark IBIS!!!!!! No ****, id call the National Guard to get me out!

ice
VIC, 222 posts
4 Nov 2011 10:44AM
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

RAL INN
SA, 2895 posts
4 Nov 2011 8:56PM
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For starters, Kiters have been visiting Mud Island for years.

The sharks are all around southern Port Phillip Bay but like to stay in water they can fit in and their favourite food swims in. The flat water around Mud Island is vast in area and very shallow.

Next, Mud Island is a Marine park reserve but is mainly these days over run by common Seagulls. You can visit the place, you can't destroy nests etc. and you can't camp on the Island. Remember that Point danger is also a Marine park.

That being said, this thread has shown the areas of concern to be mostly Planning and support for when things can go wrong.

We have been there and know that with the right backup, it is a magic place.



The KRAKEN can take 8 kiters to Mud Island. 25 min from Saint Leonards.
Stay there as support then bring them back. www.krakentours.com

Peterc150
VIC, 710 posts
5 Nov 2011 12:52AM
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Mud island is also a bird and marine sanctuary. Not a great place to be flying kites. Lots of stingrays in the shallow waters too. All in all, not the ideal place to kite. Good to hear all safe and sound though.

RAL INN
SA, 2895 posts
6 Nov 2011 11:43AM
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another Pic from North side of Mud Islands, 600mm deep at boat at low tide.
If you are prepared with charts and a capable vessel Mud Island is no problem.

15kts SE wind and worked well with my 12m and 130x39cm board.

Warren Francis
NSW, 211 posts
10 Nov 2011 9:08AM
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Hey Tony

AWESOME BOAT!! Is that a "marine radio" i can see???? cool, kiting is going to be a whole lot easier now in melbourne too!

Have a great season kiting (or are you now driving the boat?? hope you get to kite too!!!)

Warren



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