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Epoxy bond ?

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Created by snalberski > 9 months ago, 26 Feb 2016
snalberski
WA, 858 posts
26 Feb 2016 8:09AM
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When doing a epoxy repair will new epoxy chemically bond to old epoxy, or is it more reliant on a mechanical key, or a combination of both?
I did a fin repair a couple of days ago using 5 minute Araldite epoxy.
The result is good enough but the material has high porosity and wont take a high shine as it is slightly less than completely rock hard, even when cured properly and left for 24 hours. Will actual fiberglass epoxy repair material have less porosity and cure harder?

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
26 Feb 2016 8:18AM
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I would say combination of both.

Actual Epoxy used in surf constructions (like HC1000 etc) will contain far less porosity and cure noticeably harder. I wouldn't use 5min stuff unless it's just a quick touch up to get you out there.

Plummet
4862 posts
26 Feb 2016 8:22AM
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Epoxy will only bond chemically when poured or when the first later is green. Once its full hard there is no more chemical bonding.
It becomes a mechanical bond.
But who cares? as long as the surface is prepared properly it will stick better the **** to a blanket.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
26 Feb 2016 8:44AM
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^think you're right Plummet, I had ideas that the 5min stuff might be different though when newer surf stuff is put on top, I'm probably wrong. Either way like Plummet said it's going to stick, just make sure you rough it up proper like you would any adhesive job.

SugarQube
WA, 490 posts
26 Feb 2016 5:00PM
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The 5minute glue is OK to plug a hole and get back out in the water, its very soft compared to proper lamenating epoxy, don't use it on fins in any case, so doesn't matter if it's a chem bond, it's just wrong, probably better to use some polyester resin on a fin, as there is no foam to eat into and get a better result

sirstomp
VIC, 98 posts
26 Feb 2016 10:35PM
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Yeah, you don't get a chemical bond (primary bond) once epoxy is cured.
Your chance for that is done and dusted.

For the best mechanical bond, the rougher the better. The coarser the grit the better, but is determined by the final appearance you desire.

Think of it like this: the flat surface has a set area for the new epoxy to bond too. But by keying the surface (micro ridges & valleys), you are increasing the total bonding suface area for the same measured area - doubling/tripling or more, depending on how rough you abrade the suface.

To key, is the key!

Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
26 Feb 2016 9:23PM
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Regardless of how and why - Araldite is a glue and it not designed for prolonged immersion. It is water proof but is not designed to be wet all the time.
Next, 5min stuff will never be as good.

Polyester is not as strong, especially as a blob of just resin it will be brittle.

Best thing for fin repairs is a metal filled epoxy - the 24hr version - like Devcon 10110 or JB Weld. End of story.

If that is not avail, a marine laminating resin like West, BoteCote etc etc with a good filler like the "glue additive", aluminium dust, or (surprisingly good) a wood powder from belt sander. I mean wood dust that is like talcum powder consistency (not sawdust / filings / chips) and from real wood not MDF with all the glue n stuff in it. Sets hard as blazes.

Rough it up, get rid of the 5min half-set pog, soak in acetone to clean well then use one of the above.

MichaelShepherd
WA, 42 posts
27 Feb 2016 7:54AM
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You need to sand the surface first to 'key' the surface. Scratches will disappear once new coat is applied. Use slow drying epoxy and not the 5 minute as it is far superior. There are hard to get non-yellowing epoxies out there that the industry uses. Regular epoxy breaks down in the sun and goes yellow rather quickly. Painting after will prevent regular epoxy from breaking down. Like Mark indicated, Boatcoat is a great product and probably best avaliable unless you can find non-yellowing (should be called less yellowing) epoxy.



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