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Dodgy 5th line self landing vid

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Created by NJPornstar > 9 months ago, 16 Oct 2007
NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
16 Oct 2007 1:33AM
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This was done a couple years ago. Its pretty strong 35knts plus lit on a 7m.
Check the sand moving.
You might need to move the dot on the red bar cause it jams at 6 second. Sorry about the poor quality will do a better one in stronger wind. More of the story in the comments box on the youtube site.

Note the wedged board in the sand.
seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6414

sink cut
NSW, 105 posts
16 Oct 2007 11:12AM
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can't you just walk up the line hand over hand?

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
16 Oct 2007 9:26AM
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You could try hand over hand, but it probably wont work.
It will end in tears when the 1.6mm fly line rips through your hands at 35 -40 knts. You dont want to mix human flesh with power lines when the kite is half flying in strong wind. When it hurts you let go and the kite will fly away.

Thats why its best to wedge your board in the sand to anchore it all down. The lines stay straight too. No tangles.

5th isn't too bad to tangle with, it depowers the kite when its short and is generally a thicker leader line.

16 Oct 2007 12:25PM
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quote:
Originally posted by sink cut

can't you just walk up the line hand over hand?



Yes, you can, this is how. It was taught to me a several years ago when I did my Wipika Instructors Course (now the IKO).

Flag the kite to one line or a 5th line, wait till its settled on the ground, but even if it is hovering (badly adjusted bar stopper on 5th) or taking off and crashing (4 line kite, bow or c).
Wind the flagged line or the 5th line around your harness hook, once or twice (twice in stronger winds, or with a looping and crashing kite).

Now walk to the kite feeding line around you harness hook, stop when the kite is in the air or has some power, when it is crashed continue on towards the kite. If a 5th line kite is hovering it does not have a lot of pull, and is usually stable, but as you get closer it can dive and pull a bit, so be careful, do not wrap the flagged line around your hands in any way, only around your hook.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
16 Oct 2007 10:41AM
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Thats right you could do it this method as Kitepower explained. But ouch.
Im not sure how often that method works or how good the method it is when you need to bring the kite down quick.

I wouldnt tangle myself in the lines during strong wind. That's asking for trouble.

There's a million ways to do it. This is a rough video of someone doing it for real in over powered conditions.

jan
WA, 1119 posts
16 Oct 2007 11:04AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by sink cut

can't you just walk up the line hand over hand?



Yes, you can, this is how. It was taught to me a several years ago when I did my Wipika Instructors Course (now the IKO).

Wind the flagged line or the 5th line around your harness hook, once or twice (twice in stronger winds, or with a looping and crashing kite).



Agreed. I've used this method quite a few times in nuking conditions. I might add Damo enlightened me ;) and I think he got it from IKO/Wipika stuff?

16 Oct 2007 1:40PM
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quote:
Originally posted by NJPornstar

Thats right you could do it this method as Kitepower explained. But ouch.
Im not sure how often that method works or how good the method it is when you need to bring the kite down quick.

I wouldnt tangle myself in the lines during strong wind. That's asking for trouble.

There's a million ways to do it. This is a rough video of someone doing it for real in over powered conditions.




The method I described works, even in strong winds, even when your 5th lined kite is hovering 50' in the air!
You are not tangling yourself in the lines, you are threading your way along one line, whatever lines is fed into the hook is fed out the other side as you walk your way to the kite.
It should be used in the water too.
If there is any pull on a kite, or any risk of it looping when or after flagging, us this method to get to the kite.

I've used it a couple of dozen times over the years, never had a hassle with it, even with looping and crashing kites and hovering 5th lined kites.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

xtortya
WA, 322 posts
16 Oct 2007 12:02PM
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its pornstars way, or the highway.

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
16 Oct 2007 12:06PM
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Hey do it as you like.

It's just another method.

Works well if you have a gnarly shore break and really strong wind.

Try both ways. I have

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
16 Oct 2007 12:28PM
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Food for thought.
Even if you dont have a correctly tuned 5th line and it hovers 10 feet. (Silly thing to do I might add)

The weighed down/wedged/anchored/going no where board will help flag the kite as you try to make it along the 5th line to the kite.
No need to tangle the lines around your self to stop all the pull.



waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
16 Oct 2007 2:28PM
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quote:
Originally posted by xtortya
its pornstars way, or the highway.



lol.
Pornstar is like a dog with a bone.
hahaha
He's certainly on a mission to convert the masses to the 5th.
Sorry, I'm a bow-boy.

OK, Pornstars patented method will work for a time.
That's until the crew end up with a super tight knot in the string.
A knot that's undo-able.
Then they will have to cut the line that's tied around the footstrap to free the board.
A slipknot might work but can you do one in nuke-wind.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
16 Oct 2007 2:31PM
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In high winds people should use the buddy system like divers do and go out in pairs at least.

But, when out all alone in high winds do whatever the heck you feel is right as long as it does not harm anyone.

Good luck you pervert....just kidding.

jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
16 Oct 2007 5:15PM
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So what do I do if my bar stopper on the 5th line is badly adjusted? My kite hovers 10 foot off the ground in strong wind when I selfland the kite on the 5th line.
Is the stopper too far away from the bar or too close??

16 Oct 2007 5:24PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jev7337

So what do I do if my bar stopper on the 5th line is badly adjusted? My kite hovers 10 foot off the ground in strong wind when I selfland the kite on the 5th line.
Is the stopper too far away from the bar or too close??



Its too far away. You need to adjust it so that there is just the slightest tension on the rear lines, which will cause the kite to dive and stay down like the pornstars vid.

@Porno - the line does not tangle around you.

@ Porno2 - oh yeah and what happens if your board comes out of the "wedge" and your 5th lined hovering kite takes it for a drag down the beach? = Nasty potential?

@ Waveslave - yeah flagging bows is easy, and they have so much depower anyway.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

jjd
WA, 705 posts
16 Oct 2007 5:17PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by NJPornstar

Thats right you could do it this method as Kitepower explained. But ouch.
Im not sure how often that method works or how good the method it is when you need to bring the kite down quick.

I wouldnt tangle myself in the lines during strong wind. That's asking for trouble.

There's a million ways to do it. This is a rough video of someone doing it for real in over powered conditions.




The method I described works, even in strong winds, even when your 5th lined kite is hovering 50' in the air!
You are not tangling yourself in the lines, you are threading your way along one line, whatever lines is fed into the hook is fed out the other side as you walk your way to the kite.
It should be used in the water too.
If there is any pull on a kite, or any risk of it looping when or after flagging, us this method to get to the kite.

I've used it a couple of dozen times over the years, never had a hassle with it, even with looping and crashing kites and hovering 5th lined kites.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve



In water, how do you avoid tangles with this method? Are there not four other lines spagetti-ing in the water as you reeling yourself to your kite?

Wouldn't the better method be to flag to the 5th and wind all your lines on your bar to self-rescue?

(Not attacking you here Steve, genuine questions)

jan
WA, 1119 posts
16 Oct 2007 7:50PM
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quote:
Originally posted by NJPornstar

Thats right you could do it this method as Kitepower explained. But ouch.
Im not sure how often that method works or how good the method it is when you need to bring the kite down quick.

I wouldnt tangle myself in the lines during strong wind. That's asking for trouble.



it works fine every time. why are you tangling yourself in the lines? dont you pull the kite to you rather than going into the lines? ;)

jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
17 Oct 2007 10:12AM
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Steve, thanks. It kinda makes sense to have a slight tension on the lines, to keep the kite in a position with less airpressure under the kite.
Will try to adjust it next time I'm out.

17 Oct 2007 5:18PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jjd

In water, how do you avoid tangles with this method? Are there not four other lines spagetti-ing in the water as you reeling yourself to your kite?

Wouldn't the better method be to flag to the 5th and wind all your lines on your bar to self-rescue?

(Not attacking you here Steve, genuine questions)



The proper way to self rescue in the water, is to wind the flagged line, onto the bar for at least the distance of the span of the kite, so roughly 5-7M of line, then wind all the others as you use the bar as a lever and winder, keeping your hands clear of all the lines as you wind yourself to your kite, using the bar as a lever, winding end over end, letting all the pressure be taken by the bar. Basically the bar will be pointing at the kite at all times, does that make sense?

If not get an IKO instructor, or someone that has been taught this method, to show you, then practice it a couple of times.

Your bar may look a bit of a mess after you use the kite to sail back to the beach, but if you sand it down well, and then walk back downwind, behind the kite unwinding your lines as you go, you will not get any tangles, and you can see if there are any twists in your lines, but remember you bar is back the front when looking from downwind (upwind to your kite).

Red (yellow on Cabs) is always on the left, because there is no RED, PORT (wine), LEFT, in the bottle, remember? :-)

The Harness hook system should only be used, if you cannot wind up your lines, or if you self land.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

PS, I can tell when someone is attacking, or baiting. :-)
Sometimes I respond, because it suits the mood of the moment, or its a counter bait! :-)

xtortya
WA, 322 posts
17 Oct 2007 3:31PM
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too many fisherman in this forum.



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