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Do Back Lines still go slack on any kites?

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Created by Adfreetv > 9 months ago, 23 Oct 2009
Adfreetv
VIC, 114 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:20PM
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Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!

Since I moved to bridled kites in 06 I have not had that experience. Does it still exist on the new C, delta or other kites?

Jimmyz
NSW, 446 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:51PM
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It still happens on the bridled kites... maybe not to the same extent. Surely you've noticed that it requires more input at the bar to make the same turn when the bar is pushed further out?

Adfreetv
VIC, 114 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:13PM
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I mean both rear lines are slack and no amount of bar movement will have any input.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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23 Oct 2009 11:02AM
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Hi Jimmyz,

Adfreetv is talking about the glory days of "real" c-kites. Before most riders of today got into the sport.

Back in the days of the Airush Lift 02, Cabrinha Blacktip 02, North Rhino 02, Naish X2, Wipika Airblast, Wipika Freeair etc.

This type of "C" kite had a maximum useable wind range and above that you got badly teabagged as there wasn't enough depower even when the back lines go fully slack. You handled gusts by edging and keeping the kite really low because as soon as your kite was above 45 degrees, you'd lose your edge and teabag off downwind.

Everyone talks up "C" kites and how cool it is to ride them, but about 5% of all kiters of today know what it is to ride the old true "C" kites.

To answer Adfreetv's question; No none of the kites of today will do that, they pretty much all have decent depower with possible exception of the Hadlow Pro which I hear has little to no depower (just what I hear).

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
23 Oct 2009 3:48PM
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Adfreetv said...

Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!



Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.

Danger Mouse
WA, 592 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:07PM
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harry potter said...

Adfreetv said...

Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!



Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.


Don't forget the nut-slap that made you think "Oh, ****, I think I might be sterile or have nut cancer after that one" when you didn't quite hit the butt check right.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:12PM
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I learnt on a Naish Aero (2002 kite) and Airush Flow (2003).

I only just stopped riding my 2005 Yarga Cs (although they are 5th line so i could always pull on the 5th if it got too heavy duty) too so yes I know and love the "DIG THAT KN HEEL IN!!" feeling. The added bonus is my arms are now so long I can scratch my toes withpout leaning over.

axis
VIC, 399 posts
23 Oct 2009 4:16PM
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those were tha days. Riding on the edge never knowing when it would blow up and you'd be on a 150m downwind out of control run.

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
23 Oct 2009 3:23PM
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I still try it now occasionally, pull down the stopper ball on my REV and then try and control the power with edging - it teaches good technique.

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
23 Oct 2009 2:46PM
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harry potter said...
Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.


not to mention that invigorating salt water enema

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
23 Oct 2009 8:20PM
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never mind the kites does any one miss the pickle fork

Adfreetv
VIC, 114 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:38PM
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I never flew two line kites but the first 4 liners ((Airush Flow 2003 my mates) and Airush Flow 2004 my first kite). These were almost worse than two liners as you could always steer a two line kite but a four line with slack back lines was totally uncontrollable and seriously dangerous. Even my 2005 Fuel did this when over powered. When did it stop in "C"s or Fuels?

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:13PM
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Kitehard said...

Hi Jimmyz,

Adfreetv is talking about the glory days of "real" c-kites. Before most riders of today got into the sport.

Back in the days of the Airush Lift 02, Cabrinha Blacktip 02, North Rhino 02, Naish X2, Wipika Airblast, Wipika Freeair etc.

This type of "C" kite had a maximum useable wind range and above that you got badly teabagged as there wasn't enough depower even when the back lines go fully slack. You handled gusts by edging and keeping the kite really low because as soon as your kite was above 45 degrees, you'd lose your edge and teabag off downwind.

Everyone talks up "C" kites and how cool it is to ride them, but about 5% of all kiters of today know what it is to ride the old true "C" kites.

To answer Adfreetv's question; No none of the kites of today will do that, they pretty much all have decent depower with possible exception of the Hadlow Pro which I hear has little to no depower (just what I hear).




Kitehard, yes, you have got it! I still have a few of these 'classic' kites under the house. Also have a couple of RRD Conv kites (cutting edge kites that were shipped as a two line but could be converted to a 4 line).
The motto of the day was, 'keep the kite low, and go, go, go'

These new fangled bow kites are great to ride, but an occasional 'retro session' on an old 'C' kite is a great way to remember what edging can be about.



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