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Created by garyrol > 9 months ago, 6 Aug 2008
garyrol
WA, 2 posts
6 Aug 2008 8:36PM
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do most kiting companies offer (for a cost) for you to completely brand a new kite purchase with a company logo. It would be a nice tax deduction to have as "advertising".

graceful
WA, 773 posts
6 Aug 2008 8:40PM
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hahahahah

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
Site Sponsor
6 Aug 2008 8:46PM
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Hi Garyrol,

We spoke a week or so ago. I haven't forgotten you. I am still waiting for the quote from the factory. I sent them a reminder yesterday and hope to have you an answer soon.

Sorry for the delay, it's out of my hands at the moment.

I'll contact you by phone as soon as I get the quote.

Cheers and good winds,

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
6 Aug 2008 9:28PM
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Hi Gary,
I can help you.

www.newkiteboarding.com

Macca Wollongong
NSW, 295 posts
6 Aug 2008 11:47PM
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www.flyozone.com/

they do for a slight cost.

garyrol
WA, 2 posts
7 Aug 2008 12:09AM
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thanks darren & co... thought i'd make a quick post just to check out options. it seems a good way to go to brand it up especially being in a position to allocate it as an expense. if only i could afford to get 10 kites and make a big presence at the beach :)

posko
WA, 179 posts
7 Aug 2008 8:53PM
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my 5 cents worth...

spent the best part of 4 mths trying to sort this for a client of Choice Kitesurfing when i did some work for Graham last summer... Hunted down the style of kite the client wanted then played email ping pong with china for 4 months... Needless to say the client lost interest as did we as a shop... seemed like a simple task, turned out to be quite hard...

great idea... and if there was someone who could afford to buy 100 (quality) white kites in all sizes i am sure you could market them to big and small companies alike for branding...

good luck in your quest.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
Site Sponsor
7 Aug 2008 10:48PM
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Hey Pos,

Ozone do custom kites colours and custom logos for customers as once offs. I have a request for quote in with Ozone as we speak. I think they gave us a ballpark of an additional $450 Euro for the cutout panels and logo stitched in place so it would only be one material thickness not doubled as most others do.

We hope to be able to sort this out for Gary soon.

Good winds,

8 Aug 2008 9:11AM
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Darren is correct, the designs given to Ozone will be "appliqued" on to the kite.
This means the logo is sewn into the kite, not stuck on top.
Sticking logos on top never looks good because then the loge will be competing with the brand of kite's branding and logos.
There there is the issue of the added weight when a logo is stuck on top with "insignia" cloth, a large logo could easily add 500g or more to a kite.
Tape a 500g or 1kg bag of sugar or sand to your kite and see how you like the handling then?

Ozone can do it easily, they own their own factory in Vietnam, and they operate a JIT (Just In Time) production facility so it is easy for them to add "one off" kites into the system. Or any number of kites for that matter.

Logo branded kites would eb entirely tax deductible, so the extra cost is not that much when you consider that then you could write off all your gear!
Coca Cola are doing a branding/advertising trial for a new energy drink with Eclipse kites, and I reckon there is a lot of potential for this sort of thing.

Forward planning will help to cope with getting what is needed on time. There has to be a production lead time, none of the kite copmpanies are just sitting there with spare production capacity. From what I hear kite brands are finding it hard to get what they want from China, so Ozone could be a great position to take advantage of smaller scale opportunities like this.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

BrisKites
QLD, 1292 posts
8 Aug 2008 9:31AM
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Spend $900 extra to get a small tax reduction???
Sounds like unsound financial practices to me.

Much cheaper going with the Monkey option.
Or if you speak to Moti he can print it on a kite of YOUR choice. No it's not stick on it's printed and looks quite good.

8 Aug 2008 10:00AM
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BrisKites said...

Spend $900 extra to get a small tax reduction???
Sounds like unsound financial practices to me.

Much cheaper going with the Monkey option.
Or if you speak to Moti he can print it on a kite of YOUR choice. No it's not stick on it's printed and looks quite good.


I think you may have misunderstood the point Jason.
All the gear becomes deductible, and what value do you put on the advertising?

Screenprinting still has to compete with the original logo on the kite, just will not stand out like some of the kites I have seen that Ozone have done, in full colour applique. Most screenprinting on kites is one colour, and the cost will be as high if you go for more than one colour for one off screenprinting, set up costs are high. A separate screen is needed for each colour. Over time large logos crack and peel just from packing up the kite.

Applique is the best method to make a logo on a kite, but not every company can do it.

Hows the new shop coming along, the race is on now!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Splaat
NSW, 131 posts
8 Aug 2008 10:05AM
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The new 2009 Griffin kites with custom logo + any colour range is a 3 to 4 week turn around and you can put the logo anywhere any size, there are no limitations, they have done about 300 custom kites for resorts, schools, individuals, charities and advertising companies.

There is also the option to change the colours of the struts and canopies to suit your branding. They also can do the art work for you.



Splaat
NSW, 131 posts
8 Aug 2008 11:53AM
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Re screen printing in 1 colour, you can use as many colours as you want, the only limit is you cant do fades. Solid colours only. Re weight, unless you are screen printing the ENTIRE kite or over 50% then there is no noticeable difference in weight..

For the greatdownwinder (Queensland to Sydney) there where 90 kites with custom logos of companies, back in 2006, these kites are still being used today with no deterioration in the logo, no cracking or fading.

Monkeykites leave their logo off the kite but have a small print on a strut or leading edge so your FULL logo does not compete with the brands logo.

The $200 is a one of cost for the screen, any additional kites with your logo are not extra.

The idea of having a logo on a kite as a tax deduction is a good idea if you run a business as the cost comes off your tax.

And any trip local or overseas "MAY" become a tax deduction as you are advertising your business. (Check with your accountant first, I may be wrong).

Re Sewing the logo onto the kite, good idea but this can also lead to problems, if you have a complex logo with many colours then its allot of sewing and canopy cutting that is happening on your kite.

I think Naish, Cabrinha and most other brands use screens.

With the monkeykites, the kite is made from scratch, not an existing kite with your logo added in a corner. So if you want to do panelling etc you can.








8 Aug 2008 12:34PM
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Splaat said...

Re screen printing in 1 colour, you can use as many colours as you want, the only limit is you cant do fades. Solid colours only. Re weight, unless you are screen printing the ENTIRE kite or over 50% then there is no noticeable difference in weight..

For the greatdownwinder (Queensland to Sydney) there where 90 kites with custom logos of companies, back in 2006, these kites are still being used today with no deterioration in the logo, no cracking or fading.

Monkeykites leave their logo off the kite but have a small print on a strut or leading edge so your FULL logo does not compete with the brands logo.

The $200 is a one of cost for the screen, any additional kites with your logo are not extra.

The idea of having a logo on a kite as a tax deduction is a good idea if you run a business as the cost comes off your tax.

And any trip local or overseas "MAY" become a tax deduction as you are advertising your business. (Check with your accountant first, I may be wrong).

Re Sewing the logo onto the kite, good idea but this can also lead to problems, if you have a complex logo with many colours then its allot of sewing and canopy cutting that is happening on your kite.

I think Naish, Cabrinha and most other brands use screens.

With the monkeykites, the kite is made from scratch, not an existing kite with your logo added in a corner. So if you want to do panelling etc you can.












Hi Christian

Great you guys offer a screeprint service too.
Ozone do a screenprint service as well and the cost is very comparable to yours, all Ozones screenprinting is done in their own factory, they retain total control over all aspects of their work and products.

Gets exxy when a customer wants a 4 colour screenprint job, and even 2 colours is over half the cost of an applique logo, although screen is sometimes the only option due to colour matching and complexity of logo.

Ozone have made thousands of logo kites inflatos and foils, I remember one model of foil kite they did for Fiat recently, it was a few thousand kites! They really do know what they are doing and if a customers logo is not suitable for applique, then they will recommend screenprinting. However they prefer to do the logo in applique if possible.
Customer budgets need to be considered too.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Splaat
NSW, 131 posts
8 Aug 2008 2:02PM
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Monkey also have there own factory and the kite is built and screened at the same place.

I think advertising on kites will get popular.

But would you want to ride a kite sponsored by Tampax? Or Viagra?

I can see it now, Viagra Kite, Pump it hard!

wal269
WA, 718 posts
8 Aug 2008 12:38PM
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Lipton T-Bags

lex123
NSW, 511 posts
8 Aug 2008 6:08PM
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Steve and Splaat, why don't you too whip em out and duel... with kitebars that is,, none of this sword fighting business you damn southsiders get up too when the wind gets you all frisky,,, save that for the Cross.

New 09 Griffins look Amazing Splaat hope to see Narra littered with them come summer.

BrisKites
QLD, 1292 posts
8 Aug 2008 7:16PM
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Kitepower Australia said...


Applique is the best method to make a logo on a kite, but not every company can do it.

Hows the new shop coming along, the race is on now!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




What do you mean, my mum can applique??

New shop is going great guns. Should be open in about 3 weeks here- www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1sGC9CdgM9dlxhwibJ_g3F4cmygA&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=-27.292145,153.062403&spn=0.005864,0.00824&z=17


Hows the new Tattoo parlour going??

Splaat
NSW, 131 posts
8 Aug 2008 7:51PM
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Ta lex123, I been working on them for 10 months and am now working on the 2010 kites. 2009's are out September.

9 Aug 2008 9:41AM
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BrisKites said...

Kitepower Australia said...


Applique is the best method to make a logo on a kite, but not every company can do it.

Hows the new shop coming along, the race is on now!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




What do you mean, my mum can applique??

New shop is going great guns. Should be open in about 3 weeks here- www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1sGC9CdgM9dlxhwibJ_g3F4cmygA&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=-27.292145,153.062403&spn=0.005864,0.00824&z=17


Hows the new Tattoo parlour going??



Don't know anything about Tattoo parlors, do you?

Anyway, thanks for the free advertising.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Z

Z

NSW, 64 posts
10 Aug 2008 10:59PM
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so.... what about boards?????

Anybody do branding for boards?

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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10 Aug 2008 10:21PM
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Hey Z,

Contact Dan from Cardboards. They do custom graphics.

Good winds,

elizabethb
QLD, 2081 posts
11 Aug 2008 12:55AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

BrisKites said...

Kitepower Australia said...


Applique is the best method to make a logo on a kite, but not every company can do it.

Hows the new shop coming along, the race is on now!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




What do you mean, my mum can applique??

New shop is going great guns. Should be open in about 3 weeks here- www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1sGC9CdgM9dlxhwibJ_g3F4cmygA&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=-27.292145,153.062403&spn=0.005864,0.00824&z=17


Hows the new Tattoo parlour going??



Don't know anything about Tattoo parlors, do you?

Anyway, thanks for the free advertising.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




So is KP taking over the old BrisKites and a new BrisKites opening up at Brighton?
or
Is the old BrisKites closed and KP opening a new kite store under BrisKites name at Brighton!?

11 Aug 2008 9:33AM
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Hi Elizabeth

Kitepower is opening a Kitepower shop, in Clontarf where the old Briskites shop used to be.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

au_rick
WA, 752 posts
11 Aug 2008 8:42AM
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groaannn,
is there no one left who doesn't want to sell out ?

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
11 Aug 2008 10:42AM
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Z said...

so.... what about boards?????

Anybody do branding for boards?



RAL INN can sort out board branding from a one off up to 100's of boards at a time.

PM me if you need his contact.

Cheers
C

11 Aug 2008 11:14AM
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Underground, Cabrdboards, Stonker, Delta can/could all do custom boards. I know Underground and Carboards do, 100%.
If a customer wanted 100 boards, then I think all the main board brands would be interested too.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

vader
NSW, 418 posts
11 Aug 2008 11:36AM
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my first kite was a monkey tribe [bastard of a kite] and was logoed by planet ark .i must have had 100 people ask me about it in the 2 months i had it.so i`d agree it would be a great advertising platform.

Tobias
1 posts
21 Sep 2008 6:31AM
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In Germany you can buy nice customboards with company branding or your own design-do you think it is a market on your side and what will be a fairly price for a Carbonboard with woodcore or a glasscomposite if you need to order only one?

fAir winds
Tobias

Kalavas
WA, 146 posts
21 Sep 2008 12:02PM
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I'm not sure the commissioner of taxation would agree that branding your kite would make it's total price tax deductible, as it is not a expense "necessarily incurred for the purpose of producing assessable income"

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
23 Sep 2008 5:44PM
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pay the kite shop you buy it of a fictional portion of the purchase price (i.e. kite $1400, logo $400 for an $1800 kite) . Get the kite shop to stencil something on there with a nikko. You only have to show the guy if you get audited. No rules on how good it looks.. Just have to pay for it and have a receipt.



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